We're number 15!!! oh...wait....that's not good...

https://www.coacheshotseat.com/

(01-20-2022 01:35 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  We're number 15!!! oh...wait....that's not good...

https://www.coacheshotseat.com/

Good or not, it's certainly not surprising. I'm just glad this publication still realizes Rice has a football program.

(01-20-2022 01:35 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  We're number 15!!! oh...wait....that's not good...

https://www.coacheshotseat.com/

#15 + #4 indicts the Stanford way.

And on Adam Rittenberg’s List https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...-seat-2022

Please stop enabling this clown. Ignore him and let's hope he goes away.

(01-20-2022 01:35 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  We're number 15!!! oh...wait....that's not good...
https://www.coacheshotseat.com/

Wow! Pat Fitzgerald is on the list at #18. He has won 109 games in 16 seasons, had Northwestern in bowls 10 times, and in the B1G championship game 2 of the last 4 years. No way does he deserve to be in the same area code as Bloomgren with respect to accomplishments.

That is why coaches show no loyalty to universities.

(01-24-2022 08:45 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 01:35 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  We're number 15!!! oh...wait....that's not good...
https://www.coacheshotseat.com/

Wow! Pat Fitzgerald is on the list at #18. He has won 109 games in 16 seasons, had Northwestern in bowls 10 times, and in the B1G championship game 2 of the last 4 years. No way does he deserve to be in the same area code as Bloomgren with respect to accomplishments.

That is why coaches show no loyalty to universities.

Fitzgerald signed a 10 year contract extension last January at just north of $5M / year. Northwestern were awful last year at 3-9 and a Massey composite rating of 102 and a Warren Nolan rating of 105. The previous year they were 7-2, defeating Auburn 35-19 in the Citrus Bowl and ranked 10 in the AP and Coaches poll.

I think he's probably OK.

(01-24-2022 10:02 AM)MerseyOwl Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 08:45 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-20-2022 01:35 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  We're number 15!!! oh...wait....that's not good...
https://www.coacheshotseat.com/

Wow! Pat Fitzgerald is on the list at #18. He has won 109 games in 16 seasons, had Northwestern in bowls 10 times, and in the B1G championship game 2 of the last 4 years. No way does he deserve to be in the same area code as Bloomgren with respect to accomplishments.

That is why coaches show no loyalty to universities.

Fitzgerald signed a 10 year contract extension last January at just north of $5M / year. Northwestern were awful last year at 3-9 and a Massey composite rating of 102 and a Warren Nolan rating of 105. The previous year they were 7-2, defeating Auburn 35-19 in the Citrus Bowl and ranked 10 in the AP and Coaches poll.

I think he's probably OK.

Maybe they think he is on a plateau and cannot reach the next level.

(01-24-2022 10:10 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Maybe they think he is on a plateau and cannot reach the next level.

Well, for Northwestern, 10 bowls in 16 years and playing in the B1G championship game twice in 4 years probably IS the next level.

(01-24-2022 11:06 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 10:10 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Maybe they think he is on a plateau and cannot reach the next level.

Well, for Northwestern, 10 bowls in 16 years and playing in the B1G championship game twice in 4 years probably IS the next level.

My well-disguised point was that no matter how well you perform, the fans always want to see more, and if they think he has reached his maximum level, they will naturally want to get somebody who can take them higher. If they are winning 10 games/year, the fans will want somebody who can win 12, and if they are winning 12, the fans will want somebody who can win 14. Saban may be in trouble in a couple of years if he doesn't win another NC.

(01-24-2022 11:51 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 11:06 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 10:10 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Maybe they think he is on a plateau and cannot reach the next level.

Well, for Northwestern, 10 bowls in 16 years and playing in the B1G championship game twice in 4 years probably IS the next level.

My well-disguised point was that no matter how well you perform, the fans always want to see more, and if they think he has reached his maximum level, they will naturally want to get somebody who can take them higher. If they are winning 10 games/year, the fans will want somebody who can win 12, and if they are winning 12, the fans will want somebody who can win 14. Saban may be in trouble in a couple of years if he doesn't win another NC.

Oh, I understood your point. Fans are very fickle, as are university administrations. My original point was that it is hard to get too excited about coaches' lack of loyalty to schools when schools show such disloyalty to coaches.

If Fitzgerald put up a run like that at Rice, I would hope that Rice would not only retain him long-term but give him a lot of things to make his program better.

This coaches hot seat rankings have not been updated for months. It was from November. Ed O, Brian Kelly still at ND, Helton at USC, etc. are still listed.

However this ESPN read from a few days ago did have Bloom #1 on hotseat for G5 schools. Happy reading for those that have ESPN+ subscription

https://www.espn.com/college-football/in...-seat-2022

Quote from read.. Coaches such as Bloomgren, Spavital, Arroyo and Loeffler are still seeking their first winning seasons and must show progress this fall. Bloomgren, the former Stanford offensive coordinator, is 11-31 in four seasons at Rice.

(01-24-2022 12:40 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 11:51 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 11:06 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-24-2022 10:10 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Maybe they think he is on a plateau and cannot reach the next level.

Well, for Northwestern, 10 bowls in 16 years and playing in the B1G championship game twice in 4 years probably IS the next level.

My well-disguised point was that no matter how well you perform, the fans always want to see more, and if they think he has reached his maximum level, they will naturally want to get somebody who can take them higher. If they are winning 10 games/year, the fans will want somebody who can win 12, and if they are winning 12, the fans will want somebody who can win 14. Saban may be in trouble in a couple of years if he doesn't win another NC.

Oh, I understood your point. Fans are very fickle, as are university administrations. My original point was that it is hard to get too excited about coaches' lack of loyalty to schools when schools show such disloyalty to coaches.

If Fitzgerald put up a run like that at Rice, I would hope that Rice would not only retain him long-term but give him a lot of things to make his program better.

I agree with your point. It's a business. But even if we find a coach who takes us to a higher plateau, there will always be some fans who will want to replace him for the pie in the the sky.

Sure... OO, hence the word 'fan' is related to 'fanatic' which implies an unrealistic expectation/support.

Everybody who isn't Alabama wants to be Alabama, even though I'm sure there are schools that make more money than Alabama does, but they don't have the trophies.

I want to be what we were when I attended Rice, only better. What we were was a bunch of guys who CHOSE the harder path, BECAUSE it was hard... and although we lost a lot, we did it with honor. I wish we'd won a bit more and I think we would have if we'd had anywhere near the facilities and tools and support they have today... but BECAUSE we do things with honor, I accept that we may never win it all, especially in the 'money' sports... but at least in the money sports, you get a SHOT at it all (under the right conditions)... and that's all I ask.

9-3, 12-0, 7-5? I don't care. What I want to see is a team that CAN beat anyone, any day. I want to see enough good plays that nobody can ignore us. That if you ignore us, we can beat you.... and we'll tear down the damn goal posts when we do!

ETA
FTR, when I speak of tools, I mean the weight rooms, training facilities, diet etc. I realize that what we're doing in baseball is 'cutting edge' and we aren't doing that for football, but we didn't have a weight room at all when I arrived... and once we had one, it was about 200 SF. Now it's about 20,000 SF. We don't have the bells and whistles and I know that sells, but that's a recruiting issue which can be a talent issue, but not a performance issue.

Of course, a corollary to my point about schools' lack of loyalty to coaches is that Rice has been far more loyal and patient with both Bailiff and particularly Bloomgren than is the norm among NCAA schools these days. There are places where Bailiff might have been fired after 2007, but he recovered nicely in 2008 to earn a few more years. Had I been AD at that point, I would not have extended him, because nobody was trying to hire him away. I would probably have fired him after any of 2009, 2010, or 2011, because those were three absolutely wretched years. Then he came back with a decent run in 2012-2014, capped obviously by the conference championship in 2013 that bought him some more time. But 2015-2017 were bloody awful again. Bloomgren has had Bailiff's 2007, or 2009-2011, or 2015-2017, without his 2008 or 2012-2014.

I guess the poster child for disloyalty in my book is TCU and Gary Patterson. I don't know the back channel story, but there has to be one. You look at Patterson's record at TCU, 181-79 in 22 seasons, with 11 seasons of 10 wins or more, and 11-6 in 17 bowls including winning the 2011 Rose Bowl, and that certainly should have been enough to buy a big hunk of loyalty. At any rate, he obviously generated a bunch of loyalty with CDC, who hired him to become Sark's special assistant. That one is still weird for me, unless Patterson wanted out.

There is a always a big dose of "what have you done for me lately?", and TCU/Patterson is a good example. But say we had a coach who won 9-11 games every year for 10 years, we would have some dissatisfied fans who would say he could not get us over the hump to the next plateau and so must go. Fans are always on the upward march, never content to stay at any level short of the summit. Not necessarily a bad thing to never be content with less than the best, but it does make coaching a risky proposition, so the statements about loyalty are apropos.

(01-24-2022 04:50 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  There is a always a big dose of "what have you done for me lately?", and TCU/Patterson is a good example. But say we had a coach who won 9-11 games every year for 10 years, we would have some dissatisfied fans who would say he could not get us over the hump to the next plateau and so must go. Fans are always on the upward march, never content to stay at any level short of the summit. Not necessarily a bad thing to never be content with less than the best, but it does make coaching a risky proposition, so the statements about loyalty are apropos.

Most familiar with plateaus: