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RE: 2021-22 men’s basketball schedule thread
(06-15-2021 03:12 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  
(06-15-2021 02:40 PM)Old Dom Swag Wrote:  College of Charleston has been added per D1 Docket as a Holiday break game (December 22nd)

Confirmed:
Myrtle Beach Invitational (3 games), November 18th - November 21st
v. Longwood, November 26th
v. VCU, December 11th
@ Richmond, December 19th
v. College of Charleston, December 22nd

Future:
2022-23:
Norfolk State @ Home


Love we're playing C of C.

Beats the hell out of Md. Eastern Shore

Never understood the heartburn over UMES. Everyone plays tomato cans, from Duke to, well, UMES. They're only two and a half hours up 13, presuming it's not windy. Guessing they don't command much of a price for a buy game. Utterly harmless and no worse than any other low-major team. I'm not going to tailgate for it but they're OK as an early-season game, especially if there's good games in the rest of the OOC.

(And before anyone jumps in: Spare me the NET argument, because if ODU's worthiness as an at-large team is predicated on which low-major they beat in December, then they don't deserve it in the first place)
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I think it is fine to play one of those games, but at times we have played too many low NET teams in a single season, and not enough teams that are typically in the same tier as us. We already have Longwood on the schedule, don't need anymore win inflating, NET deflating opponents on the schedule. I think the best approach to OOC games is similar to what this year's schedule is shaping up to be. 1 cupcake, 1 Power Conference team, and the rest teams that are similar to us.
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What makes anyone think that this team will be better than last years team? What players have been added that will raise the bar for this team? We needed shooters and size and got neither. Hopefully McConnell grew 5" like what was predicted over the summer. Wait a minute, is he still on the team or did he leave also. Has the word "mediocre" been mentioned in here before?
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(06-16-2021 09:29 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  What makes anyone think that this team will be better than last years team? What players have been added that will raise the bar for this team? We needed shooters and size and got neither. Hopefully McConnell grew 5" like what was predicted over the summer. Wait a minute, is he still on the team or did he leave also. Has the word "mediocre" been mentioned in here before?

Who knows if we will be better. They added at least 5 new players so unless you know that they arent good, then none of us know if we will be better.

Do you know that Smith, Essien, Johnson, and Stines cannot shoot? Adding a 6-9 player is now considered not adding size.


(why do I waste my time)

Can we just have a 1 thread that you stay in?
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(06-16-2021 08:29 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I think it is fine to play one of those games, but at times we have played too many low NET teams in a single season, and not enough teams that are typically in the same tier as us. We already have Longwood on the schedule, don't need anymore win inflating, NET deflating opponents on the schedule. I think the best approach to OOC games is similar to what this year's schedule is shaping up to be. 1 cupcake, 1 Power Conference team, and the rest teams that are similar to us.

Our tomato cans are in CUSA, we need as strong of a non-conference schedule as possible. We typically know if we have any chance of an at-large bid by mid-December. If we dont have some high profile wins by then, the only thing that matters is 3 days in March. As far as NET ratings go, it seems to me, the best thing you can do is schedule bottom tier P5s, and better teams from the A10, CAA, AAC that you may need to prove you're better than on selection Sunday. I like having teams like VCU, Charleston, ECU, St. Joes, GMU, JMU, Richmond, WM etc on the schedule and would strive to have those specific teams every single season. Throw in a tournament, a P5 and NSU or Hampton and you're set.
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(06-16-2021 10:12 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(06-16-2021 08:29 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I think it is fine to play one of those games, but at times we have played too many low NET teams in a single season, and not enough teams that are typically in the same tier as us. We already have Longwood on the schedule, don't need anymore win inflating, NET deflating opponents on the schedule. I think the best approach to OOC games is similar to what this year's schedule is shaping up to be. 1 cupcake, 1 Power Conference team, and the rest teams that are similar to us.

Our tomato cans are in CUSA, we need as strong of a non-conference schedule as possible. We typically know if we have any chance of an at-large bid by mid-December. If we dont have some high profile wins by then, the only thing that matters is 3 days in March. As far as NET ratings go, it seems to me, the best thing you can do is schedule bottom tier P5s, and better teams from the A10, CAA, AAC that you may need to prove you're better than on selection Sunday. I like having teams like VCU, Charleston, ECU, St. Joes, GMU, JMU, Richmond, WM etc on the schedule and would strive to have those specific teams every single season. Throw in a tournament, a P5 and NSU or Hampton and you're set.

I think you nailed it.
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(06-16-2021 10:12 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(06-16-2021 08:29 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I think it is fine to play one of those games, but at times we have played too many low NET teams in a single season, and not enough teams that are typically in the same tier as us. We already have Longwood on the schedule, don't need anymore win inflating, NET deflating opponents on the schedule. I think the best approach to OOC games is similar to what this year's schedule is shaping up to be. 1 cupcake, 1 Power Conference team, and the rest teams that are similar to us.

Our tomato cans are in CUSA, we need as strong of a non-conference schedule as possible. We typically know if we have any chance of an at-large bid by mid-December. If we dont have some high profile wins by then, the only thing that matters is 3 days in March. As far as NET ratings go, it seems to me, the best thing you can do is schedule bottom tier P5s, and better teams from the A10, CAA, AAC that you may need to prove you're better than on selection Sunday. I like having teams like VCU, Charleston, ECU, St. Joes, GMU, JMU, Richmond, WM etc on the schedule and would strive to have those specific teams every single season. Throw in a tournament, a P5 and NSU or Hampton and you're set.

so what difference does it make if you can't beat any of them?
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(06-16-2021 08:29 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I think it is fine to play one of those games, but at times we have played too many low NET teams in a single season, and not enough teams that are typically in the same tier as us. We already have Longwood on the schedule, don't need anymore win inflating, NET deflating opponents on the schedule. I think the best approach to OOC games is similar to what this year's schedule is shaping up to be. 1 cupcake, 1 Power Conference team, and the rest teams that are similar to us.

I think one to two is fine, presuming JJ actually uses them to give the end of his bench playing time they won't be getting against higher-profile opponents. If it's a young team that needs to build confidence, then you add more of those games early in the OOC. If they think they've got an NCAA-quality team, then take some chances with the scheduling. Last year notwithstanding, it seems we play two cans, a P5 on the road and then a bunch of A10/CAA-level teams. I agree that in most years that looks like a reasonable schedule.
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(06-16-2021 12:21 PM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  
(06-16-2021 10:12 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(06-16-2021 08:29 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I think it is fine to play one of those games, but at times we have played too many low NET teams in a single season, and not enough teams that are typically in the same tier as us. We already have Longwood on the schedule, don't need anymore win inflating, NET deflating opponents on the schedule. I think the best approach to OOC games is similar to what this year's schedule is shaping up to be. 1 cupcake, 1 Power Conference team, and the rest teams that are similar to us.

Our tomato cans are in CUSA, we need as strong of a non-conference schedule as possible. We typically know if we have any chance of an at-large bid by mid-December. If we dont have some high profile wins by then, the only thing that matters is 3 days in March. As far as NET ratings go, it seems to me, the best thing you can do is schedule bottom tier P5s, and better teams from the A10, CAA, AAC that you may need to prove you're better than on selection Sunday. I like having teams like VCU, Charleston, ECU, St. Joes, GMU, JMU, Richmond, WM etc on the schedule and would strive to have those specific teams every single season. Throw in a tournament, a P5 and NSU or Hampton and you're set.

so what difference does it make if you can't beat any of them?

I must have missed all those losing seasons over the past decade.
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(06-15-2021 05:43 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(06-15-2021 03:12 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  
(06-15-2021 02:40 PM)Old Dom Swag Wrote:  College of Charleston has been added per D1 Docket as a Holiday break game (December 22nd)

Confirmed:
Myrtle Beach Invitational (3 games), November 18th - November 21st
v. Longwood, November 26th
v. VCU, December 11th
@ Richmond, December 19th
v. College of Charleston, December 22nd

Future:
2022-23:
Norfolk State @ Home


Love we're playing C of C.

Beats the hell out of Md. Eastern Shore

Never understood the heartburn over UMES. Everyone plays tomato cans, from Duke to, well, UMES. They're only two and a half hours up 13, presuming it's not windy. Guessing they don't command much of a price for a buy game. Utterly harmless and no worse than any other low-major team. I'm not going to tailgate for it but they're OK as an early-season game, especially if there's good games in the rest of the OOC.

(And before anyone jumps in: Spare me the NET argument, because if ODU's worthiness as an at-large team is predicated on which low-major they beat in December, then they don't deserve it in the first place)

If we're going to spend $30-50k on a buy game, keep it in state and try to make some legislator in Richmond happier.
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(06-16-2021 05:49 PM)devyanks90 Wrote:  
(06-15-2021 05:43 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(06-15-2021 03:12 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  
(06-15-2021 02:40 PM)Old Dom Swag Wrote:  College of Charleston has been added per D1 Docket as a Holiday break game (December 22nd)

Confirmed:
Myrtle Beach Invitational (3 games), November 18th - November 21st
v. Longwood, November 26th
v. VCU, December 11th
@ Richmond, December 19th
v. College of Charleston, December 22nd

Future:
2022-23:
Norfolk State @ Home


Love we're playing C of C.

Beats the hell out of Md. Eastern Shore

Never understood the heartburn over UMES. Everyone plays tomato cans, from Duke to, well, UMES. They're only two and a half hours up 13, presuming it's not windy. Guessing they don't command much of a price for a buy game. Utterly harmless and no worse than any other low-major team. I'm not going to tailgate for it but they're OK as an early-season game, especially if there's good games in the rest of the OOC.

(And before anyone jumps in: Spare me the NET argument, because if ODU's worthiness as an at-large team is predicated on which low-major they beat in December, then they don't deserve it in the first place)

If we're going to spend $30-50k on a buy game, keep it in state and try to make some legislator in Richmond happier.

I think we're pretty good on that front. VCU, Richmond and W&M every year, JMU and GMU most years, an in-state low-major most years.

A legislator should be jumping for joy then if ODU played UVA or Tech but we all know that ain't happening.

If they're not happy with us then they never will be.

I should note here that I really don't have any feelings toward UMES one way or another, other than that I remember them from getting their asses kicked by Georgetown at the Capital Centre in front of 2,000 fans on HTS in the 80s. If we never played them again I doubt I'd notice and I almost certainly wouldn't care. I just find it funny that so many people here use them as the avatar for a bad home game when they're basically interchangeable with all sorts of crummy teams; at least they're only a couple hours up the road.
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I think of it this way...the fact that anyone is even talking about schools with the basketball pedigree of the UMES’s of the world tells me that we aren’t anywhere near being relevant. At one time we were a solid mid major knocking on the door to being considered a legitimate high mid major. I now see us as a lower level mid major that is trending downward. Let’s not kid ourselves. It’s all about the Benjamin's and UMES (no disrespect intended) is a cheap date that we see once a year and doesn’t spend the night. Enough said.
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We are where we have been for the last 30 years outside of 2 top 50 seasons. Im not sure where this thought process is that we were once some great super and now we suck attitude came from.

We’ve had 2 top 50 seasons, a few top 100 seasons and a few between 100-150ish. Very few above that.
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(06-16-2021 06:55 PM)The Doctor Is In Wrote:  I think of it this way...the fact that anyone is even talking about schools with the basketball pedigree of the UMES’s of the world tells me that we aren’t anywhere near being relevant. At one time we were a solid mid major knocking on the door to being considered a legitimate high mid major. I now see us as a lower level mid major that is trending downward. Let’s not kid ourselves. It’s all about the Benjamin's and UMES (no disrespect intended) is a cheap date that we see once a year and doesn’t spend the night. Enough said.

Last year Duke played Coppin State and Bellarmine (think I spelled that correctly) in the first three weeks of the season. EVERYONE schedules cupcake games in the Out of Conference. It give the team a tune up allows guys to find their chemistry, without having to go up against an opponent in a high stress win/loss situation. We just happen to have a few more cupcakes in conference than most conferences.
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We are where we have been for the last 30 years outside of 2 top 50 seasons. Im not sure where this thought process is that we were once some great super and now we suck attitude came from.

We’ve had 2 top 50 seasons, a few top 100 seasons and a few between 100-150ish. Very few above that.

Just wondering if you’ve factored in strength of schedule in your assessment over these last 30 years?
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(06-16-2021 07:47 PM)The Doctor Is In Wrote:  [quote='Gilesfan' pid='17469584' dateline='1623889040']
We are where we have been for the last 30 years outside of 2 top 50 seasons. Im not sure where this thought process is that we were once some great super and now we suck attitude came from.

We’ve had 2 top 50 seasons, a few top 100 seasons and a few between 100-150ish. Very few above that.

Just wondering if you’ve factored in strength of schedule in your assessment over these last 30 years?

Yes
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(06-16-2021 09:29 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  What makes anyone think that this team will be better than last years team? What players have been added that will raise the bar for this team? We needed shooters and size and got neither. Hopefully McConnell grew 5" like what was predicted over the summer. Wait a minute, is he still on the team or did he leave also. Has the word "mediocre" been mentioned in here before?

Guessing with all the new players, we will be mediocre at best OOC, then magically look better and make a decent run in conference, then fall apart down the stretch ultimately resulting in another Groundhog Day season. Rinse, repeat. Hope I'm wrong, you never know when individuals can come together and become a team. Looking forward to at least attending games. Hopefully they are still at least interesting after Thanksgiving.
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(06-16-2021 12:21 PM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  
(06-16-2021 10:12 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(06-16-2021 08:29 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I think it is fine to play one of those games, but at times we have played too many low NET teams in a single season, and not enough teams that are typically in the same tier as us. We already have Longwood on the schedule, don't need anymore win inflating, NET deflating opponents on the schedule. I think the best approach to OOC games is similar to what this year's schedule is shaping up to be. 1 cupcake, 1 Power Conference team, and the rest teams that are similar to us.

Our tomato cans are in CUSA, we need as strong of a non-conference schedule as possible. We typically know if we have any chance of an at-large bid by mid-December. If we dont have some high profile wins by then, the only thing that matters is 3 days in March. As far as NET ratings go, it seems to me, the best thing you can do is schedule bottom tier P5s, and better teams from the A10, CAA, AAC that you may need to prove you're better than on selection Sunday. I like having teams like VCU, Charleston, ECU, St. Joes, GMU, JMU, Richmond, WM etc on the schedule and would strive to have those specific teams every single season. Throw in a tournament, a P5 and NSU or Hampton and you're set.

so what difference does it make if you can't beat any of them?

None. If we could go something like 25-5 against this type of schedule that should be enough. If not in that ballpark, it won't be.
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(06-16-2021 07:17 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  We are where we have been for the last 30 years outside of 2 top 50 seasons. Im not sure where this thought process is that we were once some great super and now we suck attitude came from.

We’ve had 2 top 50 seasons, a few top 100 seasons and a few between 100-150ish. Very few above that.

I hate to nitpick but what criteria are you using here?

I just did a quick review and came up with this:

NCAA tournament seeds:
2005 - 12 (RPI 35)
2007 - 12 (RPI 40)
2010 - 10 (RPI 27)
2011 - 9 (RPI 20)

2015 RPI - 46

Source: https://www.collegerpi.com/subs/histssn.html
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(06-16-2021 06:55 PM)The Doctor Is In Wrote:  I think of it this way...the fact that anyone is even talking about schools with the basketball pedigree of the UMES’s of the world tells me that we aren’t anywhere near being relevant. At one time we were a solid mid major knocking on the door to being considered a legitimate high mid major. I now see us as a lower level mid major that is trending downward. Let’s not kid ourselves. It’s all about the Benjamin's and UMES (no disrespect intended) is a cheap date that we see once a year and doesn’t spend the night. Enough said.

Last year Duke played Coppin State and Bellarmine (think I spelled that correctly) in the first three weeks of the season. EVERYONE schedules cupcake games in the Out of Conference. It give the team a tune up allows guys to find their chemistry, without having to go up against an opponent in a high stress win/loss situation. We just happen to have a few more cupcakes in conference than most conferences.

Duke also plays teams like Kentucky OOC and then plays an ACC schedule. Their quality wins are build in. We play in CUSA. Our quality wins, for the most part, need to come OOC.
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