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(05-07-2021 11:36 PM)pesik Wrote:  i agree that we were 7th last year... but i dont get ranking pre-nba draft prospects .. and draft prospect lists are going to look completely different in a month

the problem in this league basketball wise has always been coaches---

imo the next 2 years are going to define the AAC...technically 1.5, next season and the 2021-22 offseason

-- its do or die seasons for jank and penny-- if neither make the tourney next season it a huge hit to the conference not just for next year, but the belief in either ever making the tourney in their respective schools ... if they make the tourney GREAT!! if they dont, what they do in the offseason is conference defining.. if smu keeps jank it'll be a strong message nationally not to value smu as a basketball program trying to contend ... with penny if hey dont make it, a hall of famer has to join the staff or memphis will start being perceived the way unlv is (a dying power)

--- Gregory, Dooley and Haith are also likely on a do or die season, with a drastic difference from the 2 above in that they on paper do not have the roster to compete to prevent the dying part...gut feeling is that Tulsa wants to be competitive so they'll let go of haith if he has a bad season, who they hire will be paramount... USF/ECU is unknown, if gregory/dooley have another terrible season (the bar is just to be competitive- middle pack) and nothing is done, you have to even question if ECU/USF even care about being competitive and if they bring any value to the league

--- then there's the "hope or slow death" coaches...these guys arent getting fired for awhile no matter what, but havent proven themselves .. mckie, miller, brown, hunter... brown is the closest to establishing himself, as long as he doesn't Kevin ollie (1 good season based of another coaches roster) he'll likely be part of the "conference hope" section... how miller does on the court in 2021 is of little significance, what important is how the 2022 recruiting class is viewed, the "hope" of cincy retuning to power is a crucial part of this league future and perception... for hunter/mckie we are stuck with both for multiple season no matter what and their success or failure will affect the league, the perceived "terribleness" of Tulane is regularly used a an insult to this league ..the perceived "strength" of the brand of temple was once upon a time used a selling point to the strength of the league

by this time next year there will be a an obvious direction of where this league is heading
I noticed you didn’t mention Dawkins, what do you think about him?
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(05-09-2021 03:43 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  I noticed you didn’t mention Dawkins, what do you think about him?

you win big noncon games, decent recruiting ... for the expectation of ucf, i think ucf has done its part, your arent a power or regular tourney team but i dont think that was ever the expectation for ucf.. dawkins is a quality coach in the league
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(05-08-2021 07:10 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(05-08-2021 06:15 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  
(05-07-2021 06:30 PM)Alanda Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...ournament/

The article only ranks seven.

Quote:7. AAC

At this point, the AAC probably needs to be grouped in with the Atlantic 10, Missouri Valley, Mountain West and West Coast conferences when it comes to the hoops discussion. That's a shame, because with a little polishing, the potential is there for this league to regularly send four teams to the NCAA Tournament. Even with UConn departed for the Big East, brand names like Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, Wichita State should be able to take this conference higher than its gone in recent years. Schools like Temple, SMU and UCF have also shown flashes of the potential needed to raise this league's basketball profile but have struggled to generate consistency. Put simply, the AAC is underperforming, even with Houston making a Final Four run in 2021.

BY THE NUMBERS

7th in NCAA Tournament bid percentage: 2 of 11 (18.2%)
2nd in NCAA Tournament record: 4-2 (66.7%)
7th in top 75 NBA Draft prospects: 1 (0.09 per team)
7th in average NET ranking: 110.3 (94.8 last year)
7th in average NET ranking excluding bottom two teams: 93.1 (76.2 last year)

And so,,,,,,,,, the media pundits are right on schedule in setting the narrative of "the AAC isn't worthy ". Gotta get that out so a lot of the lazy preseason pollsters can use this as justification to undervalue the league again.03-zzz03-zzz

That narrative was pretty accurate of late. The AAC wasn’t very good.

I'm not sure about that. Late in the season I remember seeing a graphic on one of the Memphis games that five AAC teams were in the top 25 in defense. If I heard that right, that's impressive.
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(05-07-2021 06:30 PM)Alanda Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...ournament/

The article only ranks seven.

Quote:7. AAC

At this point, the AAC probably needs to be grouped in with the Atlantic 10, Missouri Valley, Mountain West and West Coast conferences when it comes to the hoops discussion. That's a shame, because with a little polishing, the potential is there for this league to regularly send four teams to the NCAA Tournament. Even with UConn departed for the Big East, brand names like Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, Wichita State should be able to take this conference higher than its gone in recent years. Schools like Temple, SMU and UCF have also shown flashes of the potential needed to raise this league's basketball profile but have struggled to generate consistency. Put simply, the AAC is underperforming, even with Houston making a Final Four run in 2021.

BY THE NUMBERS

7th in NCAA Tournament bid percentage: 2 of 11 (18.2%)
2nd in NCAA Tournament record: 4-2 (66.7%)
7th in top 75 NBA Draft prospects: 1 (0.09 per team)
7th in average NET ranking: 110.3 (94.8 last year)
7th in average NET ranking excluding bottom two teams: 93.1 (76.2 last year)

There's only 7 worth ranking 04-cheers
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CBS season-end basketball conference power rankings
Good article in the Athletic today about Houston basketball
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Not trying to be a Negative Nancy, but the AAC has been disappointing in basketball its entire existence. Aside from Houston, I don't think a single team in this conference has performed above expectations during the AAC era, and I would argue that most have performed below expectations.

Wichita has been solid, but I expected more after they entered the league. Mick Cronin's best team squandered a golden opportunity, and our program quickly went into the tank with a bad hire. Memphis languished in mediocrity in the early years, and has Penny has yet to elevate the program to the level of its recruiting rankings. Temple has been up and down, squeaking into the tournament a few times, but never making noise nationally. SMU looked like they were set to become an AAC power during the Larry Brown/Moody Madness era, but haven't been to the tournament since 2017. UCF also looked to be on the rise and does appear to have a solid roster coming back, but I would rate the Johnny Dawkins era overall as average. UConn had the national championship year at the very beginning, underwhelmed for most of the rest of their time here, then bolted for the Big East. Have UCF, ECU, and Tulane even had a single .500 season in the AAC between them?

Again, sorry to be negative, but I see no reason to be upset as an AAC fan if national publications aren't giving us love. We haven't done much to earn the respect we so desperately seek.
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UCF has won an NCAA tournament game more recently than Cincinnati robertfoshizzle
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(05-10-2021 12:49 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Not trying to be a Negative Nancy, but the AAC has been disappointing in basketball its entire existence. Aside from Houston, I don't think a single team in this conference has performed above expectations during the AAC era, and I would argue that most have performed below expectations.

Wichita has been solid, but I expected more after they entered the league. Mick Cronin's best team squandered a golden opportunity, and our program quickly went into the tank with a bad hire. Memphis languished in mediocrity in the early years, and has Penny has yet to elevate the program to the level of its recruiting rankings. Temple has been up and down, squeaking into the tournament a few times, but never making noise nationally. SMU looked like they were set to become an AAC power during the Larry Brown/Moody Madness era, but haven't been to the tournament since 2017. UCF also looked to be on the rise and does appear to have a solid roster coming back, but I would rate the Johnny Dawkins era overall as average. UConn had the national championship year at the very beginning, underwhelmed for most of the rest of their time here, then bolted for the Big East. Have UCF, ECU, and Tulane even had a single .500 season in the AAC between them?

Again, sorry to be negative, but I see no reason to be upset as an AAC fan if national publications aren't giving us love. We haven't done much to earn the respect we so desperately seek.
You mean usf?
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Not really complaining but there is inherent bias in the NET, that relegates the AAC to 7th. Head to head competition during the regular season, as rare as it is, especially on a neutral court gives AAC teams few opportunities to prove themselves. Media bias is displayed & factors in from the earliest of the too early rankings & perpetuated throughout the season. UCF beating Auburn & FSU early season doing little to advance UCF in the early season rankings is a perfect example of how bias is perpetuated (not withstanding UCF did little to sustain a higher status through the rest of the season) both through how UCF was ranked after those wins & how AAC opponents were not rewarded later when beating UCF. Instead UCF early OOC wins were treated as an aberration forgotten as soon as league play began. And then as the tourney invites were tendered, the B1G & ACC were rewarded with bids to teams that barely had .500 records (& losing records in-conference) & played virtually no one OOC. Then actual head-to-head tourney competition proved the bias & yet it is completely forgotten in power rankings such as shown above & in the too-early rankings we are now seeing that completely dismiss & forget the B1G & ACC weakness shown when those teams actually played some good OOC team in the tourney . But some of you guys buy into this bias, just accepting the AAC doesn't measure up & yet the very means of measurement used are inherently biased & are the very reason for the ranking.
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Are there people here that seriously don't believe the AAC was the 7th best conference this past season?

Take the blinders off.
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