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(05-03-2021 03:12 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  
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(05-03-2021 01:59 PM)yakko Wrote:  If there's not a path for each conference to be represented it will continue to be a sham.

Just like BB having every conference rep'ed doesn't mean you get the best teams. It guarantees you don't. In the example you can come up with you could easily ID 20 teams better than the bottom four seeds listed.

I would rather them chose have the consensus top 14 and the final 2 spots given to the top two G5 teams unless they are already ranked in the top 14 and that makes those two spots at-large regardless of P or G.

I think the NCAA may be scared the Super League concept is gaining ground so they have to do something to (1) include more teams, and (2) feed the $$$ addiction.

Don't even care.

If you aren't the best of your subset (your conference), then you are not the best of the set (national championship).

No, you are talking about qualifying for participation but it does not describe a pool of the best teams.
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(05-03-2021 09:43 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Here's the actual news on playoff expansion. Released 4/23 (or earlier) by several sports news sources & being discussed since on the expansion board. So it's not so new after all.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ny-16-team

https://csnbbs.com/thread-921095.html

Yes, the term earlier describes something that is old. The article from yesterday is new, hence the use of brand new. Try and keep up (I'm kidding). 03-lmfao
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(05-03-2021 02:36 PM)ImaTiger Wrote:  I would prefer a 16 team playoff.
An 8 team playoff is acceptable now.
4 teams is stupid and misguided.
The BCS was un-American, elitist and stupid.

Agreed! and this 4 team setup is BCS-Lite
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the 'power' programs want to maintain their stranglehold on the $$$ and exposure so I bet they expand to 6 under the auspices of the NCAA wishing to limit the number of games played 'for the kids'

that way they get to keep the mini playoff country club and act like they threw us some major bone.

that's the cynic in me
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(05-04-2021 09:24 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  the 'power' programs want to maintain their stranglehold on the $$$ and exposure so I bet they expand to 6 under the auspices of the NCAA wishing to limit the number of games played 'for the kids'

that way they get to keep the mini playoff country club and act like they threw us some major bone.

that's the cynic in me

Agree, the P-5 will do what is best for the P-5. The only motivation now for change is that one of their club members is being left out - the G-5 will only be an after thought & only then if there is some push back that could reflect on them.
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(05-03-2021 12:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Not just speculation, or rumors from unnamed sources...

Quote:CFB executive director Bill Hancock, who never rocked the boat as the face of the BCS and now the CFP, revealed the CFP's working group had reviewed 63 (!) possibilities of expanding the playoff. The options included six-, eight, 10-, 12- and 16-team fields. No further information was provided, but those few lines might have well said expansion of the four-team field is not only coming, but it could be coming soon.

It's possible -- not likely -- the working group that includes SEC commissioner Greg Sankey and Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby could whittle the 63 possibilities and make a recommendation to the CFP's management committee as early as June 22. Word is a vote on such a change would need to come this year to better prepare for an expanded field beginning with the 2023 season.

It looks like there is a good chance that it is going to happen, and I'm guessing that they will start with 8 teams, with a spot going to the highest ranked G5, and one home game for the top 4. This would make a lot more sense than a 16 team playoff or any other format some were peddling here.

Playoff Expansion Talk

To put things into perspective, Cincinnati would have been in this year, and we would have been in last year. Another thing that I think will happen, is that it will lead to non P5 teams being ranked more fairly. Last year Florida was at #7 and Cincinnati was at #8. It is one thing to screw Cincinnati when there are no real repercussions, but with an 8 team playoff, you for sure would rather play a 3 loss Florida team than an undefeated Cincinnati team. I guarantee that in 2017, every single team would have preferred to play a 2 loss USC team instead of undefeated UCF.

Oh, I think quite the opposite.
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"Power conference"...sure a lot of non power teams in those conferences. You would think they would be all over expansion.
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Here is my idea. It's just an idea, so calm down...
Boise and BYU join AAC, ESPN says "YES, that's enough for us to start calling the AAC the 6th power conference."
Aresco comes through with getting us the "Autonomy" designation.
We now have the P6 and the G4 officially.
Now -
We return to tradition... while implementing a 6-2 playoff model
Move the NY6 back the Christmas Day. (That is probably a bad idea, but do we extend the season another week? IDK... I'm wishy-washy on it) No seeding the tournament. Just match the Big10 champ to the Pac12 champ just like tradition dictates. Follow suit with the other bowls:

Christmas eve morning:
Fiesta- 2 regionally responsible top 12 at-larges (not part of the playoff)
Peach- 2 regionally responsible top 12 at-larges (not part of the playoff)
Christmas eve afternoon:
Sugar - BigXII v. AAC
Cotton - at large (prob. SEC#2) v. G4 rep.
Christmas afternoon:
Rose - BigX v. PacXII
Orange - SEC v. ACC

THEN seed the winners 1 through 4.

NYD, 2 games. These get hosted by the NY6 bowls that DID NOT host a first round game (Peach and Fiesta). One week later, the final game. That visits each of the NY6 bowl sites once ever 6 years.

I know, it's got its problems, but it has equity as well. The Fiesta and Peach appear to be relegated to second class citizens, but they in turn get semi-final games that have no tradition, but major income potential for their bowl committees.
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(05-04-2021 11:01 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Here is my idea. It's just an idea, so calm down...
Boise and BYU join AAC, ESPN says "YES, that's enough for us to start calling the AAC the 6th power conference."
Aresco comes through with getting us the "Autonomy" designation.
We now have the P6 and the G4 officially.
Now -
We return to tradition... while implementing a 6-2 playoff model
Move the NY6 back the Christmas Day. (That is probably a bad idea, but do we extend the season another week? IDK... I'm wishy-washy on it) No seeding the tournament. Just match the Big10 champ to the Pac12 champ just like tradition dictates. Follow suit with the other bowls:

Christmas eve morning:
Fiesta- 2 regionally responsible top 12 at-larges (not part of the playoff)
Peach- 2 regionally responsible top 12 at-larges (not part of the playoff)
Christmas eve afternoon:
Sugar - BigXII v. AAC
Cotton - at large (prob. SEC#2) v. G4 rep.
Christmas afternoon:
Rose - BigX v. PacXII
Orange - SEC v. ACC

THEN seed the winners 1 through 4.

NYD, 2 games. These get hosted by the NY6 bowls that DID NOT host a first round game (Peach and Fiesta). One week later, the final game. That visits each of the NY6 bowl sites once ever 6 years.

I know, it's got its problems, but it has equity as well. The Fiesta and Peach appear to be relegated to second class citizens, but they in turn get semi-final games that have no tradition, but major income potential for their bowl committees.


“I know Memphis beat Alabama in their game, but it was clearly the worst Alabama team in a decade. Give Memphis the 4 seed in the playoff”…
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(05-04-2021 05:07 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 03:12 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 02:39 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 01:59 PM)yakko Wrote:  If there's not a path for each conference to be represented it will continue to be a sham.

Just like BB having every conference rep'ed doesn't mean you get the best teams. It guarantees you don't. In the example you can come up with you could easily ID 20 teams better than the bottom four seeds listed.

I would rather them chose have the consensus top 14 and the final 2 spots given to the top two G5 teams unless they are already ranked in the top 14 and that makes those two spots at-large regardless of P or G.

I think the NCAA may be scared the Super League concept is gaining ground so they have to do something to (1) include more teams, and (2) feed the $$$ addiction.

Don't even care.

If you aren't the best of your subset (your conference), then you are not the best of the set (national championship).

No, you are talking about qualifying for participation but it does not describe a pool of the best teams.

How can you be the best if you are not even the best team in your own conference?
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(05-03-2021 04:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 04:21 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  There is a definite scenario for taking the top 8 "committee ranked" teams. And that would certainly leave out the G5 many years.

I'm not saying it won't happen, but I haven't seen a single scenario where that is even being discussed.

I quit researching and reading it, because I just get frustrated.
But I've heard the ESPN radio talking heads mention this scenario many times. They had one coach/former coach who was advocating it during one interview. Can't recall who - maybe Spurrier.
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(05-04-2021 11:34 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 11:01 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Here is my idea. It's just an idea, so calm down...
Boise and BYU join AAC, ESPN says "YES, that's enough for us to start calling the AAC the 6th power conference."
Aresco comes through with getting us the "Autonomy" designation.
We now have the P6 and the G4 officially.
Now -
We return to tradition... while implementing a 6-2 playoff model
Move the NY6 back the Christmas Day. (That is probably a bad idea, but do we extend the season another week? IDK... I'm wishy-washy on it) No seeding the tournament. Just match the Big10 champ to the Pac12 champ just like tradition dictates. Follow suit with the other bowls:

Christmas eve morning:
Fiesta- 2 regionally responsible top 12 at-larges (not part of the playoff)
Peach- 2 regionally responsible top 12 at-larges (not part of the playoff)
Christmas eve afternoon:
Sugar - BigXII v. AAC
Cotton - at large (prob. SEC#2) v. G4 rep.
Christmas afternoon:
Rose - BigX v. PacXII
Orange - SEC v. ACC

THEN seed the winners 1 through 4.

NYD, 2 games. These get hosted by the NY6 bowls that DID NOT host a first round game (Peach and Fiesta). One week later, the final game. That visits each of the NY6 bowl sites once ever 6 years.

I know, it's got its problems, but it has equity as well. The Fiesta and Peach appear to be relegated to second class citizens, but they in turn get semi-final games that have no tradition, but major income potential for their bowl committees.


“I know Memphis beat Alabama in their game, but it was clearly the worst Alabama team in a decade. Give Memphis the 4 seed in the playoff”…

Yeah, but at that point, you are already in the semi-finals. And besides, in my scenario, we would always play the BigXII champ in the first round in the Sugar Bowl. We wouldn't experience Alabama UNTIL the semi-final round.
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I always believed the top 2 G5 teams should be represented in the playoffs. I hope they do approve of this.

I think AAC should be the formal Power 6 conference.
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11 CFP committee members.
None are opposed to expansion.
8 of 11 are supporters of expansion.

They've had 28 CFP slots over 7 years. 20 of these slots have gone to 4 teams.

Most NCAA sports allow 15-25% of their teams to play in a post-season championship playoff.
CFB allows 3%.

[credit to GP for these fun facts]

Colleges and conferences lost a lot of money in 2020.

Expansion will happen soon.
I'm okay with taking the 8th seed in an 8-team playoff. I'm not okay with a 12-1 AAC champ taking the 16th seed, while 9-3 P5 teams who finished 3rd in their conference are seeded better.
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(05-04-2021 12:21 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 05:07 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 03:12 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 02:39 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 01:59 PM)yakko Wrote:  If there's not a path for each conference to be represented it will continue to be a sham.

Just like BB having every conference rep'ed doesn't mean you get the best teams. It guarantees you don't. In the example you can come up with you could easily ID 20 teams better than the bottom four seeds listed.

I would rather them chose have the consensus top 14 and the final 2 spots given to the top two G5 teams unless they are already ranked in the top 14 and that makes those two spots at-large regardless of P or G.

I think the NCAA may be scared the Super League concept is gaining ground so they have to do something to (1) include more teams, and (2) feed the $$$ addiction.

Don't even care.

If you aren't the best of your subset (your conference), then you are not the best of the set (national championship).

No, you are talking about qualifying for participation but it does not describe a pool of the best teams.

How can you be the best if you are not even the best team in your own conference?

We got off topic. I was addressing creating a pool of the best teams rather thsn a pool of conference champs. Not the same thing.
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(05-04-2021 12:21 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 05:07 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 03:12 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 02:39 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 01:59 PM)yakko Wrote:  If there's not a path for each conference to be represented it will continue to be a sham.

Just like BB having every conference rep'ed doesn't mean you get the best teams. It guarantees you don't. In the example you can come up with you could easily ID 20 teams better than the bottom four seeds listed.

I would rather them chose have the consensus top 14 and the final 2 spots given to the top two G5 teams unless they are already ranked in the top 14 and that makes those two spots at-large regardless of P or G.

I think the NCAA may be scared the Super League concept is gaining ground so they have to do something to (1) include more teams, and (2) feed the $$$ addiction.

Don't even care.

If you aren't the best of your subset (your conference), then you are not the best of the set (national championship).

No, you are talking about qualifying for participation but it does not describe a pool of the best teams.

How can you be the best if you are not even the best team in your own conference?

2011 National Champs Alabama
2011 SEC Champs LSU

Do yall even football?
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LSU beat Alabama in 2011, dumb ass.
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There was NO reason why Alabama should have been in the 2011 MNC game.
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(05-06-2021 09:59 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  LSU beat Alabama in 2011, dumb ass.

I try to cut you slack because I know you have a low iq and possibly suffered some sort of head/brain trauma but .

In the rematch, Alabama defeated LSU 21–0 and captured the 2011 national championship.

LSU was the SEC Conference champion that year. Bama was National Champs. If you cant respect your elders, you can respect your betters. Boy
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LSU beat Alabama.

Alabama did not win the 2011 SEC.

They should not have been in the 2011 national title game.

This isn't up for debate, Sherekhuck.
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