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I am guessing age and prior injuries pushed his decision to enter the draft. Wiggins is already 24 years old, he arrived on campus in 2016 and redshirted that first year. He's had two knee injuries already-- if he stuck around another year and got another injury, how many teams would draft a 25 year old with a bad knee?

(05-03-2021 03:06 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I am guessing age and prior injuries pushed his decision to enter the draft. Wiggins is already 24 years old, he arrived on campus in 2016 and redshirted that first year. He's had two knee injuries already-- if he stuck around another year and got another injury, how many teams would draft a 25 year old with a bad knee?

Yeah, Wiggins definitely made the right call. It was pretty much now or never. Even if he only makes it 2 or 3 years in the NFL, he'll have a pretty nice start in life. Just for signing his contract, he'll get almost $100k. And I'm guessing he already has his degree at this point.

(05-03-2021 02:49 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  I don’t think anyone thought Tom Brady would be Tom Brady when he came out of Michigan.

True, but then a lot of folks also thought Tim Tebow would remain a hot property.

(05-03-2021 02:12 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 02:03 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 12:51 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 12:13 PM)eroc Wrote:  i'm shocked/intrigued about Ridder's projections. He took a huge step up towards the end of last season. To be first round caliber, his passing would still have to go up a level from last season, imo. i am also very interested in how he handles the burden of expectation. This will be the first season where we start in the top 25 (maybe even top 15). While we've shown well over the past couple of seasons, the pollsters have shown that they are more than willing to drop us with lackluster performances, or Ws against "lesser" competition (in their eyes for whatever their rationale). Ridder being a perfectionist is well documented. There will be a pressure on him unlike any other. i hope he's got the shoulders for this.

Been a Ridder critic his whole career so why stop now. I'm going to guess that he hasn't been thoroughly scouted since he wasn't expected to come out. I think his arm strength is average. I think he lacks good timing and accuracy on mid/deep routes. These things are going to be hard to make significant improvements on after 30+ college starts. His assets are size, athleticism, and intangibles. Can he be a poor man Lamar Jackson? Lamar has more quickness like a WR while Des is a long strider. But I think that's the style he'd need to be to play at the NFL level.

What cracks me up about publications making these projections is, go back and look at what most were saying at the end of last year. The highest I saw him projected was 2nd round. Fast forward 5 months. He hasn't played another down since those projections and now he's potentially at Top 10 pick?

Part of it is that everyone is really high on UC this year. I think they expect a huge season from Des as a result.

One of the stats that strangely correlates best for QBs winning in the NFL is actually starts in college (none correlate great mind you...getting the franchise QB is more of a crapshoot than you;d think). Des is going to have a hell of a track record in college when all is said and done.

You can't coach intangibles and finding consistent ways to win games. You can coach things like throwing mechanics, footwork, reading defenses [pre and post snap], etc. It is already a known commodity that Dez is a coachable talent who has been exemplary on and off the field and who also happens to play for a respected, rising program and is one of the winningest college quarterbacks. He does have to make some throwing improvements including deep ball accuracy - he knows this and why he's had a great offseason including spending time with the QB guru in California. If he improves his passing I have no doubt he will be a Day 1 QB pick.

(05-03-2021 02:12 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 02:03 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 12:51 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 12:13 PM)eroc Wrote:  i'm shocked/intrigued about Ridder's projections. He took a huge step up towards the end of last season. To be first round caliber, his passing would still have to go up a level from last season, imo. i am also very interested in how he handles the burden of expectation. This will be the first season where we start in the top 25 (maybe even top 15). While we've shown well over the past couple of seasons, the pollsters have shown that they are more than willing to drop us with lackluster performances, or Ws against "lesser" competition (in their eyes for whatever their rationale). Ridder being a perfectionist is well documented. There will be a pressure on him unlike any other. i hope he's got the shoulders for this.

Been a Ridder critic his whole career so why stop now. I'm going to guess that he hasn't been thoroughly scouted since he wasn't expected to come out. I think his arm strength is average. I think he lacks good timing and accuracy on mid/deep routes. These things are going to be hard to make significant improvements on after 30+ college starts. His assets are size, athleticism, and intangibles. Can he be a poor man Lamar Jackson? Lamar has more quickness like a WR while Des is a long strider. But I think that's the style he'd need to be to play at the NFL level.

What cracks me up about publications making these projections is, go back and look at what most were saying at the end of last year. The highest I saw him projected was 2nd round. Fast forward 5 months. He hasn't played another down since those projections and now he's potentially at Top 10 pick?

Part of it is that everyone is really high on UC this year. I think they expect a huge season from Des as a result.

One of the stats that strangely correlates best for QBs winning in the NFL is actually starts in college (none correlate great mind you...getting the franchise QB is more of a crapshoot than you;d think). Des is going to have a hell of a track record in college when all is said and done.

i imagine the success rate in evaluating QBs is real low. Without waxing too philosophical about systems, team composition, etc..., the sample size is so small, especially if they R/S and come out early. And you lose so many points when you aren't doing it against the "highest level of competition."

in terms of comps for Des, i think of Kellen Mond. Good but not great runner. Passing mechanic issues but very capable. Kellen went in Rd. 3 of a very deep QB draft.

i'm going to articulate something poorly, but draft experts, at least publicly, seem to value, perhaps overvalue, winning when it comes to the QB position. i hope Des understands this, in that he doesn't have to lead us to Ws, but contributing positively to Cincy Ws will reflect just as positively on him and his draft stock. Play within yourself and the system, trust your teammates and your coaches, and we can definitely run the table. Lead Cincy to the playoffs and he'll go down in history as the leader of the first non-privileged five team to qualify for the playoffs.

P5 privilege. I love it.

(05-03-2021 07:27 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  P5 privilege. I love it.

not originally mine (saw it on Twitter) but the shoe fits

Great point about winning. If we beat ND and Indiana it will reflect very positively on Des even if he doesn’t carry the team to the wins. Wins like that prove his worth in the eyes of NFL teams/scouts.

(05-03-2021 10:01 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Well...it would appear that people are finally picking up what we've been laying down:

PFF Mock Draft for 2022:
Desmond Ridder: Round 1, Pick 10
Ahmad Gardner: Round 1, Pick 26

BleacherReport Mock Draft for 2022:
Desmond Ridder: Round 1, Pick 9
Ahmad Gardner: Round 1, Pick 17

FoxSports Mock Draft for 2022:
Desmond Ridder: Round 1, Pick 2
Ahmad Gardner: Round 1, Pick 20

SportingNews Mock Draft for 2022:
Desmond Ridder: Round 1, Pick 10

ProFootball Network 2 Round Mock 2022:
Desmond Ridder: Round 1, Pick 8
Myjai Sanders: Round 2, Pick 6
Ahmad Gardner: Round 2, Pick 12
Josh Whyle: Round 2, Pick 14



My guess is we have anywhere between 6-9 players drafted depending on season and testing:
Locks-
Ridder
Sanders
Gardner
Whyle

Likely, but needs a good season-
Beavers
Bryant

Wishful Thinking-
Young
Pierce
Lenny Taylor

Brugler's 1 rounder for The Athletic has
- Gardner as pick 17
- Sanders as pick 26

Ridder is NOT among the 5 QBs going in Rd 1. Instead he is mentioned as one of an additional 6 (plus a few others) QBs who could ascend.

As the thread states, way, way, way too early. But there is no such thing when it comes to favorable publicity such as this for Bearcat football. All of this media buzz about first round picks continues to fuel a growing narrative about Cincinnati having all the elements of a top ten program which is exactly where we want to be for 2021 and beyond.

So it's fun to speculate on the first round especially. Even better when it's not just UC fans but national analysts. As someone else posted, this season can't arrive soon enough.

(05-03-2021 07:25 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 02:12 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 02:03 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 12:51 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 12:13 PM)eroc Wrote:  i'm shocked/intrigued about Ridder's projections. He took a huge step up towards the end of last season. To be first round caliber, his passing would still have to go up a level from last season, imo. i am also very interested in how he handles the burden of expectation. This will be the first season where we start in the top 25 (maybe even top 15). While we've shown well over the past couple of seasons, the pollsters have shown that they are more than willing to drop us with lackluster performances, or Ws against "lesser" competition (in their eyes for whatever their rationale). Ridder being a perfectionist is well documented. There will be a pressure on him unlike any other. i hope he's got the shoulders for this.

Been a Ridder critic his whole career so why stop now. I'm going to guess that he hasn't been thoroughly scouted since he wasn't expected to come out. I think his arm strength is average. I think he lacks good timing and accuracy on mid/deep routes. These things are going to be hard to make significant improvements on after 30+ college starts. His assets are size, athleticism, and intangibles. Can he be a poor man Lamar Jackson? Lamar has more quickness like a WR while Des is a long strider. But I think that's the style he'd need to be to play at the NFL level.

What cracks me up about publications making these projections is, go back and look at what most were saying at the end of last year. The highest I saw him projected was 2nd round. Fast forward 5 months. He hasn't played another down since those projections and now he's potentially at Top 10 pick?

Part of it is that everyone is really high on UC this year. I think they expect a huge season from Des as a result.

One of the stats that strangely correlates best for QBs winning in the NFL is actually starts in college (none correlate great mind you...getting the franchise QB is more of a crapshoot than you;d think). Des is going to have a hell of a track record in college when all is said and done.

i imagine the success rate in evaluating QBs is real low. Without waxing too philosophical about systems, team composition, etc..., the sample size is so small, especially if they R/S and come out early. And you lose so many points when you aren't doing it against the "highest level of competition."

in terms of comps for Des, i think of Kellen Mond. Good but not great runner. Passing mechanic issues but very capable. Kellen went in Rd. 3 of a very deep QB draft.

i'm going to articulate something poorly, but draft experts, at least publicly, seem to value, perhaps overvalue, winning when it comes to the QB position. i hope Des understands this, in that he doesn't have to lead us to Ws, but contributing positively to Cincy Ws will reflect just as positively on him and his draft stock. Play within yourself and the system, trust your teammates and your coaches, and we can definitely run the table. Lead Cincy to the playoffs and he'll go down in history as the leader of the first non-privileged five team to qualify for the playoffs.

Here are the Bill Parcells rules for drafting a QB:

Be a three-year starter
Be a senior in college
Graduate from college
Start 30 games
Win 23 games
Post a 2-1 touchdown-to-interception ratio
Complete at least 60% of passes thrown

I'd say that Des will end up hitting all 7 of those. Obviously its not the end all be all, but if you look at someone like Trubisky who I don't think hit any of those markers in college it can give some insight into why he failed in the NFL. There is something to be said for knowing how to win games, which Des has proven he can do.

I think one thing that will end up going in Des' favor is that he's a big ******* dude. Mond is 6'2 205 according to the official measurements at the Senior Bowl. If you look at some of Brady Collins' twitter posts, Des has to be around 6'4 230. I bet he also ends up running around a 4.6 40. One issue I see though is that he isn't shifty. He's more a straight line runner and he's not going to be faster than NFL LB's or safeties so I don't know how much his speed gets ya. He reminds me of Dak Prescott but with a little more height.

All it takes is for a team to fall in love in a guy. I think there are a number of NFL coaches and GMs who like Des a little better than some of you.

(05-04-2021 08:57 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  All it takes is for a team to fall in love in a guy. I think there are a number of NFL coaches and GMs who like Des a little better than some of you.

I agree. He is mature and you don't have to worry about him going off the deep end like Johnny Manziel. He's a proven winner with good stats, a live arm, and can run. He's got that swagger that his team obviously loves and will immediately sell him to NFL teams. I think its a pretty much a lock that he goes in the first round if he has the year we are all expecting him to have. The other good thing for him is that there isn't a Lawrence or Fields in the draft next year. I don't think Spencer Rattler is all that great.

(05-04-2021 08:49 AM)skylinecat Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 07:25 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 02:12 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 02:03 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 12:51 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  Been a Ridder critic his whole career so why stop now. I'm going to guess that he hasn't been thoroughly scouted since he wasn't expected to come out. I think his arm strength is average. I think he lacks good timing and accuracy on mid/deep routes. These things are going to be hard to make significant improvements on after 30+ college starts. His assets are size, athleticism, and intangibles. Can he be a poor man Lamar Jackson? Lamar has more quickness like a WR while Des is a long strider. But I think that's the style he'd need to be to play at the NFL level.

What cracks me up about publications making these projections is, go back and look at what most were saying at the end of last year. The highest I saw him projected was 2nd round. Fast forward 5 months. He hasn't played another down since those projections and now he's potentially at Top 10 pick?

Part of it is that everyone is really high on UC this year. I think they expect a huge season from Des as a result.

One of the stats that strangely correlates best for QBs winning in the NFL is actually starts in college (none correlate great mind you...getting the franchise QB is more of a crapshoot than you;d think). Des is going to have a hell of a track record in college when all is said and done.

i imagine the success rate in evaluating QBs is real low. Without waxing too philosophical about systems, team composition, etc..., the sample size is so small, especially if they R/S and come out early. And you lose so many points when you aren't doing it against the "highest level of competition."

in terms of comps for Des, i think of Kellen Mond. Good but not great runner. Passing mechanic issues but very capable. Kellen went in Rd. 3 of a very deep QB draft.

i'm going to articulate something poorly, but draft experts, at least publicly, seem to value, perhaps overvalue, winning when it comes to the QB position. i hope Des understands this, in that he doesn't have to lead us to Ws, but contributing positively to Cincy Ws will reflect just as positively on him and his draft stock. Play within yourself and the system, trust your teammates and your coaches, and we can definitely run the table. Lead Cincy to the playoffs and he'll go down in history as the leader of the first non-privileged five team to qualify for the playoffs.

Here are the Bill Parcells rules for drafting a QB:

Be a three-year starter
Be a senior in college
Graduate from college
Start 30 games
Win 23 games
Post a 2-1 touchdown-to-interception ratio
Complete at least 60% of passes thrown

I'd say that Des will end up hitting all 7 of those. Obviously its not the end all be all, but if you look at someone like Trubisky who I don't think hit any of those markers in college it can give some insight into why he failed in the NFL. There is something to be said for knowing how to win games, which Des has proven he can do.

I think one thing that will end up going in Des' favor is that he's a big ******* dude. Mond is 6'2 205 according to the official measurements at the Senior Bowl. If you look at some of Brady Collins' twitter posts, Des has to be around 6'4 230. I bet he also ends up running around a 4.6 40. One issue I see though is that he isn't shifty. He's more a straight line runner and he's not going to be faster than NFL LB's or safeties so I don't know how much his speed gets ya. He reminds me of Dak Prescott but with a little more height.

Matt Cassell says hello

What about Jowon Briggs?

He was on freshman All-America teams last year. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall people saying he was the best player on a decent Virginia defense this year as a sophomore.

(05-04-2021 09:19 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  What about Jowon Briggs?

He was on freshman All-America teams last year. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall people saying he was the best player on a decent Virginia defense this year as a sophomore.

My guess is his production won't be enough to warrant early entry, but I could be wrong. As of right now, he wasn't running with the 1s in spring ball (not to his lack of talent, just that the 1s are Malik Vann and Myjai Sanders who both could end up being drafted if things go right).

If the Steelers draft Ridder as one of the articles suggest, they would go from a Miami QB to a UC QB. Not bad for southern Ohio!

(05-07-2021 12:35 PM)bcat80 Wrote:  If the Steelers draft Ridder as one of the articles suggest, they would go from a Miami QB to a UC QB. Not bad for southern Ohio!

I hate the Steelers, so I would feel gross about him going there. That said, it's probably a good landing spot. Tons of organizational stability, which is important for a young QB.

Ridder is a good quarterback.

(05-07-2021 02:52 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(05-07-2021 12:35 PM)bcat80 Wrote:  If the Steelers draft Ridder as one of the articles suggest, they would go from a Miami QB to a UC QB. Not bad for southern Ohio!

I hate the Steelers, so I would feel gross about him going there. That said, it's probably a good landing spot. Tons of organizational stability, which is important for a young QB.

I'm not a Bengals guy but if I were I'd love Des going there on a high pick

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