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RE: Resource: 5-1-6 Playoff using AP Poll from 2014-2020
(05-03-2021 11:17 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 09:24 PM)Crayton Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 08:38 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  In addition, the conference championship games are no longer elimination games. The conferences would need to market CCG as regional pride events...best team in the north, south, east, west or plains.

It's interesting how one of the big plusses of the 5-1-2 model (making CCGs great again), is diminished by adding 4 at larges. Are there ways to lessen that diminishment?

1. Reserve the BYEs for teams who play and win their Conference Championship. Yes, that means a #1 Notre Dame would have to play in the first-round, but #2 Alabama also had to play and win a 13th game against a Top 12 team to get into the quarterfinals... so it actually makes things even.
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2020: (AP)
#1 Alabama (Sugar)// #8 Oklahoma vs #9 Coastal Carolina
#2 Clemson (Orange)// #7 Indiana vs. #10 Florida
#3 Ohio St (Rose)// #6 Texas A&M vs. #11 Georgia
#4 Cincinnati (Fiesta)// #5 Notre Dame vs. #25 Oregon

Appreciate the work, but it will be a cold day in hell when we see the AAC champ jumping ND simply because the former won a conference.

Remember that ND has a vote equal to an entire conference for the playoff system, which means they have veto power over any proposal as a single school. I need to keep telling people that the P5 absolutely, positively are NOT bothered by ND. The Irish make a lot of money for the system, so the powers that be welcome them with open arms even if fans don’t like it.

Who announced the current CFP system to the world? ND AD Jack Swarbrick.

Who is on the working group for CFP expansion today? ND AD Jack Swarbrick.

ND has legitimate and real structural power here.

Like I mentioned before, your original post is really how a 12-team playoff would look if we go to that format. Once we start trying to seed teams based on whether they won a conference or not, it becomes way too unwieldy if only because you NEED to account for a situation where ND is in the top 4. They are so much more valuable in a top 4 slot to the overall system compared to a G5 champ (and frankly all P5 teams outside of maybe Alabama and Ohio State) that the Irish aren’t going to be disadvantaged.

I got lucky. I honestly think it comes down to games-played. Winning a Conference is just a good way to pick "deserving" teams who have played 13 games.
06-10-2021 09:37 PM
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RE: Resource: 5-1-6 Playoff using AP Poll from 2014-2020
AP poll is not what they will use, but CFP Committee rankings. They will put more scrutiny into rankings 10-20 because of the G5 access via top ranked school.

It's going to come under a lot of criticism when the top G5 school is ranked say #15 and the second one is ranked #16 or #17 and it's based on subjective criteria. The American will scream if Coastal Carolina eecks out Cincinnati by one spot. The MWC will scream like hell if UCF beats out Boise State by one spot. And all the time BYU and Liberty are locked out, have to meet Notre Dame's at large criteria, not the criteria of their non autonomous peers UCF, Cincy, Houston and Boise State. I see that as the next point of controversy and upset.
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