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(05-05-2021 12:39 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 11:04 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  FWIW, Saluki missed big time with his projected algorithm of Parks' stats. At the time, he pegged him as well under a top 100 frosh.

Actually, I had Parks at 4 and 3 (which is about what one should expect from a 100-125 frosh big)...essentially 50% of his JUCO #'s.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-832539.html

He outperformed them (8 and 5) mostly due to the fact that this was the worst Memphis team this century.

The next season, under Penny, his minutes declined as Penny went to smaller lineups and he went for 5 and 3 for an NIT team.

So, had I said..."If Parks is playing 20 minutes a game then this team is in trouble..." would have been a true statement.

Quote:He outperformed them (8 and 5) mostly due to the fact that this was the worst Memphis team this century.

You keep admitting that your argument makes no sense, and then keep arguing that it does.

How can you say this with a straight face and then turn around and say that Sam would play the same 3 minutes per game if he was playing behind Wise, Massie, Barron and Barclay? According to you, Shaq would be expected to average 6 and 4 on THIS team just because that is some weird number you plug in with him as a freshman. Your one size fits all makes no sense at all.

Interesting that in that thread, you projected that the Juco players would produce less points comparatively to the lower ranked freshman. Now you are swearing up and down that Jucos rated in the 300's should expect to perform just as well as freshmen in the 70's, just because they are older.

You predicted 6 and 4 for Shaq. He had to split minutes with Black who was a junior. He would get 12 and 8 on this team competing against Dandridge. Sam would play 3 minutes for the 2002 team. Competing against only Dandridge, he will get many more minutes unless he is really bad. The bizarre statement about Jucos ranked in the 300's takes the cake.

None what you are saying makes any sense.
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RE: I believe in Sam Onu
(05-05-2021 01:01 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 12:39 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 11:04 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  FWIW, Saluki missed big time with his projected algorithm of Parks' stats. At the time, he pegged him as well under a top 100 frosh.

Actually, I had Parks at 4 and 3 (which is about what one should expect from a 100-125 frosh big)...essentially 50% of his JUCO #'s.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-832539.html

He outperformed them (8 and 5) mostly due to the fact that this was the worst Memphis team this century.

The next season, under Penny, his minutes declined as Penny went to smaller lineups and he went for 5 and 3 for an NIT team.

So, had I said..."If Parks is playing 20 minutes a game then this team is in trouble..." would have been a true statement.

Quote:He outperformed them (8 and 5) mostly due to the fact that this was the worst Memphis team this century.

You keep admitting that your argument makes no sense, and then keep arguing that it does.

How can you say this with a straight face and then turn around and say that Sam would play the same 3 minutes per game if he was playing behind Wise, Massie, Barron and Barclay? According to you, Shaq would be expected to average 6 and 4 on THIS team just because that is some weird number you plug in with him as a freshman. Your one size fits all makes no sense at all.

Interesting that in that thread, you projected that the Juco players would produce less points comparatively to the lower ranked freshman. Now you are swearing up and down that Jucos rated in the 300's should expect to perform just as well as freshmen in the 70's, just because they are older.

You predicted 6 and 4 for Shaq. He had to split minutes with Black who was a junior. He would get 12 and 8 on this team competing against Dandridge. Sam would play 3 minutes for the 2002 team. Competing against only Dandridge, he will get many more minutes unless he is really bad. The bizarre statement about Jucos ranked in the 300's takes the cake.

None what you are saying makes any sense.

No sh!t Sherlock.

He was a fugging McDonald's All American and a top 30 player, not a 100+ project who hasn't played competitive ball since 2019-20.

But get this...even as a top 30 All American who played 20+ minutes a game, Shaq only went for 7 and 4.

But somehow this dude's gonna roll in, play 20 and do 6 and 4.

Cool.

And for the last time...NONE of this has anything to do with JUCOs.

None.
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You two should get a room and work it out.
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(05-05-2021 02:23 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  You two should get a room and work it out.

don't tell 'em that. I got an over/under bet going.
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(05-05-2021 02:29 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 02:23 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  You two should get a room and work it out.

don't tell 'em that. I got an over/under bet going.

Take the over.
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(05-05-2021 02:30 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 02:29 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 02:23 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  You two should get a room and work it out.

don't tell 'em that. I got an over/under bet going.

Take the over.

....I took forever
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(05-05-2021 02:31 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 02:30 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 02:29 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 02:23 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  You two should get a room and work it out.

don't tell 'em that. I got an over/under bet going.

Take the over.

....I took forever

I'd tell you to do the same.
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I know you are but what am I?
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(05-05-2021 02:37 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  I know you are but what am I?

Where to start...?
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(05-05-2021 02:18 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 01:01 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 12:39 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 11:04 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  FWIW, Saluki missed big time with his projected algorithm of Parks' stats. At the time, he pegged him as well under a top 100 frosh.

Actually, I had Parks at 4 and 3 (which is about what one should expect from a 100-125 frosh big)...essentially 50% of his JUCO #'s.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-832539.html

He outperformed them (8 and 5) mostly due to the fact that this was the worst Memphis team this century.

The next season, under Penny, his minutes declined as Penny went to smaller lineups and he went for 5 and 3 for an NIT team.

So, had I said..."If Parks is playing 20 minutes a game then this team is in trouble..." would have been a true statement.

Quote:He outperformed them (8 and 5) mostly due to the fact that this was the worst Memphis team this century.

You keep admitting that your argument makes no sense, and then keep arguing that it does.

How can you say this with a straight face and then turn around and say that Sam would play the same 3 minutes per game if he was playing behind Wise, Massie, Barron and Barclay? According to you, Shaq would be expected to average 6 and 4 on THIS team just because that is some weird number you plug in with him as a freshman. Your one size fits all makes no sense at all.

Interesting that in that thread, you projected that the Juco players would produce less points comparatively to the lower ranked freshman. Now you are swearing up and down that Jucos rated in the 300's should expect to perform just as well as freshmen in the 70's, just because they are older.

You predicted 6 and 4 for Shaq. He had to split minutes with Black who was a junior. He would get 12 and 8 on this team competing against Dandridge. Sam would play 3 minutes for the 2002 team. Competing against only Dandridge, he will get many more minutes unless he is really bad. The bizarre statement about Jucos ranked in the 300's takes the cake.

None what you are saying makes any sense.

No sh!t Sherlock.

He was a fugging McDonald's All American and a top 30 player, not a 100+ project who hasn't played competitive ball since 2019-20.

But get this...even as a top 30 All American who played 20+ minutes a game, Shaq only went for 7 and 4.

But somehow this dude's gonna roll in, play 20 and do 6 and 4.

Cool.

And for the last time...NONE of this has anything to do with JUCOs.

None.

Of course it does, you are doubling down on nonsense. If your weird claim made any sense, teams would be recruiting Jucos in the 100-300's because according to you, they produce better than high school seniors.

But I don't mind playing along...

Here is a list of freshmen that have done it the last 3 years. I only went up to 200, and didn't check on players that didn't play for the team that originally signed them. I'm sure I missed a few, and I didn't even include all those who didn't do 4 and 4, but whose numbers added up to more than 8 total.

Sanogo - UConn
Hugley - Pitt
Kalkbrenner - Creighton
Kopriva - FSU
Mitchell - UMass
Akok - UConn
Disu - Vandy
Eason - Cincinnati
Mennenga - Davidson
Key - Ohio State
Alexander Moncrieffe - Oklahoma State
Bradford - Kansas State
Walker - Colorado
Coles - Butler
Murphy - Kansas State
Freemantle - Xavier
Wahab - Georgetown
Gordon - St. Louis
Norris - Oregon
Culver - West Virginia
Bates - NC State
Burns - UT
Chaney - Arkansas
Williams - Purdue
Likekele - Oklahoma State

There were roughly 90 recruits that qualified, with around 30 not making it to campus, redshirting or only playing a few games because of injury. So there is literally nothing to what you are saying that adds up in any way.
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RE: I believe in Sam Onu
(05-05-2021 12:39 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 11:04 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  FWIW, Saluki missed big time with his projected algorithm of Parks' stats. At the time, he pegged him as well under a top 100 frosh.

Actually, I had Parks at 4 and 3 (which is about what one should expect from a 100-125 frosh big)...essentially 50% of his JUCO #'s.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-832539.html

He outperformed them (8 and 5) mostly due to the fact that this was the worst Memphis team this century.

The next season, under Penny, his minutes declined as Penny went to smaller lineups and he went for 5 and 3 for an NIT team.

So, had I said..."If Parks is playing 20 minutes a game then this team is in trouble..." would have been a true statement.

The team wasn't terrible because Parks was playing 20 minutes a game.

The team was terrible because Brewton, Parks, Jimario, Jamal Johnson and Thorton were playing 20 minutes a game. And even with that the team went 21-13.

Keep Parks and replace the other four with Lester, Deandre, Timberlake and Nolley...That is a tourney team even with Parks playing 20 minutes. Hell that is a preferred seed with Martin at the point.

Surely you cant disagree with that.
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