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RE: I believe in Sam Onu
(05-04-2021 12:56 AM)FORealTigerFan Wrote:  Sam has been working his tail off to get better. He is going to be a beast for us. Just wait and have faith.

Sam appears to have all the tools to be a beast. eventually. but again, freshman big guys rarely step in immediately. IF we get more than 3 points and 2 boards and more than 5 minutes a game from him it's a win.

There are 200 minutes a game... Nolley, williams, Q and Timberlake will get around half of them.. Chandler and Alo will get 40 more.. there are 50-60 minutes tops to spread over malcom, J-law, Junior, tyler, minot, camden and Sam..

Maybe Sam gets 10 minutes a game, i doubt it. i expect little lawson and minot will get first dibs on playing time for the frosh
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(05-03-2021 06:00 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 05:13 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 11:19 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Here is the comprehensive list of all Tiger PF/C in the last 20 years who have been ranked #70+ and averaged 4 or more rebounds a game:

Joey Dorsey

Comprehensive?...
Robert Dozier
Shawn Taggart
Will Coleman
Pierre H-N
DJ Stephens
Mike Parks

And maybe...
Duane Erwin
Kyvon Davenport

Frosh.

Somehow that was omitted.

That makes a difference. But you can still add Dozier to the list. Most of those guys were jucos/transfers. So we didn't have them their frosh years.

I said before...I don't know what Sam will do. And no doubt that the recruiting services are going to have more misses this year than normal, due to the lack of incoming senior evaluations. Is it possible Sam is ranked 30 spots too low or too high? Absolutely. If he was ranked 70, would you have higher expectations?

We know Cisse was a game changer in the lane on D. Teams stayed away from him - until they figured out a good pick/roll play to expose him. Cisse was a top 10 frosh on D. But on O? He was well outside the top 100 on offense. I think there is a scenario where Sam is better on O and okay on D - enough to get minutes.

But I absolutely don't know, so I've mostly stayed out of this debate.
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(05-04-2021 07:53 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 06:39 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Does anyone know Sam's FT stats while in HS/prep school?

It's hard to find anything recent since he hasn't played organized ball since 2019-20.

HS and AAU stats are unreliable, even in a non-pandemic year. Cisse was supposedly 70% in FTs and 50% from 3....
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(05-03-2021 06:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 05:13 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 11:19 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Here is the comprehensive list of all Tiger PF/C in the last 20 years who have been ranked #70+ and averaged 4 or more rebounds a game:

Joey Dorsey

Comprehensive?...
Robert Dozier
Shawn Taggart
Will Coleman
Pierre H-N
DJ Stephens
Mike Parks

And maybe...
Duane Erwin
Kyvon Davenport

It's not exactly a giant list. It is 7 players in the last 21 seasons, if you cut it off at #160. Maybe Erwin and Diarra should be on the list also.
77 Woodson - no
79 Dozier - yes
95 Marshall - no
106 Dandridge - no
115 Sam
141 Cooper - no
160 Dorsey - yes

Cooper was playing behind Dorsey, Dozier and Shawne. He would for sure have done it on this year's team. Again though, moving the goal posts makes the argument against, silly. You have Jucos that clearly were vastly inferior to #70 that did it.

That's 7 players who averaged 4 during their careers as Tigers. (It was before I realized Saluki meant JUST freshmen.)

So more than just 7 years, it's more like 19 seasons. So over 21 years, it's like 1 guy a year.
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(05-04-2021 08:48 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 06:00 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 05:13 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 11:19 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Here is the comprehensive list of all Tiger PF/C in the last 20 years who have been ranked #70+ and averaged 4 or more rebounds a game:

Joey Dorsey

Comprehensive?...
Robert Dozier
Shawn Taggart
Will Coleman
Pierre H-N
DJ Stephens
Mike Parks

And maybe...
Duane Erwin
Kyvon Davenport

Frosh.

Somehow that was omitted.

That makes a difference. But you can still add Dozier to the list. Most of those guys were jucos/transfers. So we didn't have them their frosh years.

I said before...I don't know what Sam will do. And no doubt that the recruiting services are going to have more misses this year than normal, due to the lack of incoming senior evaluations. Is it possible Sam is ranked 30 spots too low or too high? Absolutely. If he was ranked 70, would you have higher expectations?

We know Cisse was a game changer in the lane on D. Teams stayed away from him - until they figured out a good pick/roll play to expose him. Cisse was a top 10 frosh on D. But on O? He was well outside the top 100 on offense. I think there is a scenario where Sam is better on O and okay on D - enough to get minutes.

But I absolutely don't know, so I've mostly stayed out of this debate.

I appreciate the input.

It is possible that Sam could be 70ish. And that would change expectations to a certain degree.

By all accounts Sam has been described as "raw" and "having an upside" which generally means he's tall and had success dunking on small kids in high school.

Very typical of a lot of the guys from outside the states. The check the physical boxes.
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(05-04-2021 09:28 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 08:48 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 06:00 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 05:13 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 11:19 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Here is the comprehensive list of all Tiger PF/C in the last 20 years who have been ranked #70+ and averaged 4 or more rebounds a game:

Joey Dorsey

Comprehensive?...
Robert Dozier
Shawn Taggart
Will Coleman
Pierre H-N
DJ Stephens
Mike Parks

And maybe...
Duane Erwin
Kyvon Davenport

Frosh.

Somehow that was omitted.

That makes a difference. But you can still add Dozier to the list. Most of those guys were jucos/transfers. So we didn't have them their frosh years.

I said before...I don't know what Sam will do. And no doubt that the recruiting services are going to have more misses this year than normal, due to the lack of incoming senior evaluations. Is it possible Sam is ranked 30 spots too low or too high? Absolutely. If he was ranked 70, would you have higher expectations?

We know Cisse was a game changer in the lane on D. Teams stayed away from him - until they figured out a good pick/roll play to expose him. Cisse was a top 10 frosh on D. But on O? He was well outside the top 100 on offense. I think there is a scenario where Sam is better on O and okay on D - enough to get minutes.

But I absolutely don't know, so I've mostly stayed out of this debate.

I appreciate the input.

It is possible that Sam could be 70ish. And that would change expectations to a certain degree.

By all accounts Sam has been described as "raw" and "having an upside" which generally means he's tall and had success dunking on small kids in high school.

Very typical of a lot of the guys from outside the states. The check the physical boxes.

I did notice in the highlights, Sam was dunking on a lot of short guys. But I also noticed he had better touch than Cisse with the short bank shot. Hope he can contribute early on
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(05-04-2021 08:52 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 06:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  It's not exactly a giant list. It is 7 players in the last 21 seasons, if you cut it off at #160. Maybe Erwin and Diarra should be on the list also.
77 Woodson - no
79 Dozier - yes
95 Marshall - no
106 Dandridge - no
115 Sam
141 Cooper - no
160 Dorsey - yes

Cooper was playing behind Dorsey, Dozier and Shawne. He would for sure have done it on this year's team. Again though, moving the goal posts makes the argument against, silly. You have Jucos that clearly were vastly inferior to #70 that did it.

That's 7 players who averaged 4 during their careers as Tigers. (It was before I realized Saluki meant JUST freshmen.)

So more than just 7 years, it's more like 19 seasons. So over 21 years, it's like 1 guy a year.

I tried to keep it in recent memory because the recruiting services were harder to find pre 2005.

I pretty sure Modibo was top 70. (2.7 ppg 2.6 rpg)(https://www.angelfire.com/ky/uoflcardina...iting.html)

If we want to count Dozier as a "big" and not a "wing" that's fine, whatever. And Dozier was a borderline top 70 player, depending on which service was out there.

Thierro was top 80, too. (0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg)
Pierre was 72. (2.4 ppg 3.6 rpg)
Simkins was 78. (1.4 ppg 1.5 rpg)

Not sure Earl's ranking, but he didn't play >20 mpg, didn't snag more than 4 rpgs, nor did he average >6 rpg as a Frosh.
Erwin went for 1.1 ppg and 2.5 rpg as a frosh.
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(05-04-2021 09:34 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 09:28 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 08:48 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 06:00 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 05:13 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Comprehensive?...
Robert Dozier
Shawn Taggart
Will Coleman
Pierre H-N
DJ Stephens
Mike Parks

And maybe...
Duane Erwin
Kyvon Davenport

Frosh.

Somehow that was omitted.

That makes a difference. But you can still add Dozier to the list. Most of those guys were jucos/transfers. So we didn't have them their frosh years.

I said before...I don't know what Sam will do. And no doubt that the recruiting services are going to have more misses this year than normal, due to the lack of incoming senior evaluations. Is it possible Sam is ranked 30 spots too low or too high? Absolutely. If he was ranked 70, would you have higher expectations?

We know Cisse was a game changer in the lane on D. Teams stayed away from him - until they figured out a good pick/roll play to expose him. Cisse was a top 10 frosh on D. But on O? He was well outside the top 100 on offense. I think there is a scenario where Sam is better on O and okay on D - enough to get minutes.

But I absolutely don't know, so I've mostly stayed out of this debate.

I appreciate the input.

It is possible that Sam could be 70ish. And that would change expectations to a certain degree.

By all accounts Sam has been described as "raw" and "having an upside" which generally means he's tall and had success dunking on small kids in high school.

Very typical of a lot of the guys from outside the states. The check the physical boxes.

I did notice in the highlights, Sam was dunking on a lot of short guys. But I also noticed he had better touch than Cisse with the short bank shot. Hope he can contribute early on

Back in the Tubby years, we were getting beat off videos from every scrub Coach Bam was chasing.

I remember people getting exited about Usman Haruna, looking at his "highlight" reel and saying what skill the dude had.

I laughed.

Haruna ended up at ECU and averaged 1.0 ppg and 2.3 rpg. The xferred to Montana State and went for 1.5 and 1.5.

Same for Nickelberry. People LOVE the youtube videos. What a skill set. Like a little Penny. For dudes career at Memphis and Buffalo, he's started 1 time in 76 games and averages 3 and 2.
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End of this for me is simply this:

If people are predicting/thinking/hoping Sam plays 20 mpg, or averages 6+ ppg, or takes down 4+ boards a game, they are essentially saying in the last 20 years:

Sam will be the first frosh big ranked >70 to average >6 ppg. The FIRST one. The FIRST.

Sam will only be the third frosh big ranked >70 to average >4 rpg. (since we're calling Dozier a "big") One played in the NBA and the other was a 2nd round pick.

By playing >20 mpg as a frosh, Sam would be the FIRST big ranked >70 to do that and only the 6th Frosh big to do so in the past lord knows how many years.

He, as a >100 recuit, would join three McDonald's All-Americans, a top 30 recruit in Austin Nichols, and a top 60 recruit (and to be NBA player Tarik) as the only frosh bigs to play >20 mpg.

Basically, he would over performing at historical levels to achieve one of those, let alone all of them.

But hey, why not.
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(05-04-2021 09:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 09:34 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 09:28 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 08:48 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 06:00 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Frosh.

Somehow that was omitted.

That makes a difference. But you can still add Dozier to the list. Most of those guys were jucos/transfers. So we didn't have them their frosh years.

I said before...I don't know what Sam will do. And no doubt that the recruiting services are going to have more misses this year than normal, due to the lack of incoming senior evaluations. Is it possible Sam is ranked 30 spots too low or too high? Absolutely. If he was ranked 70, would you have higher expectations?

We know Cisse was a game changer in the lane on D. Teams stayed away from him - until they figured out a good pick/roll play to expose him. Cisse was a top 10 frosh on D. But on O? He was well outside the top 100 on offense. I think there is a scenario where Sam is better on O and okay on D - enough to get minutes.

But I absolutely don't know, so I've mostly stayed out of this debate.

I appreciate the input.

It is possible that Sam could be 70ish. And that would change expectations to a certain degree.

By all accounts Sam has been described as "raw" and "having an upside" which generally means he's tall and had success dunking on small kids in high school.

Very typical of a lot of the guys from outside the states. The check the physical boxes.

I did notice in the highlights, Sam was dunking on a lot of short guys. But I also noticed he had better touch than Cisse with the short bank shot. Hope he can contribute early on

Back in the Tubby years, we were getting beat off videos from every scrub Coach Bam was chasing.

I remember people getting exited about Usman Haruna, looking at his "highlight" reel and saying what skill the dude had.

I laughed.

Haruna ended up at ECU and averaged 1.0 ppg and 2.3 rpg. The xferred to Montana State and went for 1.5 and 1.5.

Same for Nickelberry. People LOVE the youtube videos. What a skill set. Like a little Penny. For dudes career at Memphis and Buffalo, he's started 1 time in 76 games and averages 3 and 2.

As a personal rule I do not bank much on a kid’s highlight reel.
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(05-04-2021 10:17 AM)TGTiger Wrote:  As a personal rule I do not bank much on a kid’s highlight reel.

I bowl about a 105. Not good.

I can gin up a highlight reel from about 5 games where I can throw together eight sweet strikes and two gorgeous spare pickups.
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My perspective is Sam is not Cisse nor does he have to be in what Penny envisions his team to be. Cisse was more active than Sam coming out of high school and definitely more muscular but not necessarily stronger than Sam. Sam is a rim protector which is required in a pressured defense that Memphis plays. Sam also is a decent finisher around the basket. Frankly, I think Sam will be a better rebounder than Cisse because of his bigger frame. I believe in Sam because he won't come in thinking he is a world-beater when he is not. Sam will contribute to this team and his numbers will not have to be more than Cisse.

I know there was some dissension amongst the team last season because people saw themselves in a bigger/different role than they were incapable of. Thanks to Penny's coaching he was able to get them to play together albeit it was too late. Precious Achiuwa foresaw himself as a small forward but what he turned out to be is a power forward. Yet, even he had to buy into the team concept orchestrated by Penny, and look where it got him.

The players that left the team are talented and I imagine some people here will be throwing their stats around next season as if it should have been happening here. I won't deny that maybe they should have been playing for Memphis but being disgruntled is like poison to a team, in fact, it's a team killer. I will say this much, the length of this team next season can make a phenomenal defense.
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(05-04-2021 08:11 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Some people like to heap unrealistic expectations on players. Like people who expected Tyler Harris to be the next Allen Iverson and then were disappointed when he was not, despite the fact he really produced better than expected for his ranking. The same is being done here to Sam, it simply is not fair to the player. Sam will have a good career as a Tiger and can be a contributor on a high level team. However, as a freshman, it is unlikely he comes in and puts up any kind of significant numbers. But we do not need that from him. If we can get 10-15 minutes of good defense, a few rebounds and maybe a cheap bucket or two then he will be filling the role we need from him. He will need time though...

I think for many it’s more anticipation than expectation. One is based on hope and the other on entitlement. It’s fine to hope he will be what we won’t him him to be, but it’s unfair to expect it.
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(05-04-2021 09:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 08:52 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 06:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  It's not exactly a giant list. It is 7 players in the last 21 seasons, if you cut it off at #160. Maybe Erwin and Diarra should be on the list also.
77 Woodson - no
79 Dozier - yes
95 Marshall - no
106 Dandridge - no
115 Sam
141 Cooper - no
160 Dorsey - yes

Cooper was playing behind Dorsey, Dozier and Shawne. He would for sure have done it on this year's team. Again though, moving the goal posts makes the argument against, silly. You have Jucos that clearly were vastly inferior to #70 that did it.

That's 7 players who averaged 4 during their careers as Tigers. (It was before I realized Saluki meant JUST freshmen.)

So more than just 7 years, it's more like 19 seasons. So over 21 years, it's like 1 guy a year.

I tried to keep it in recent memory because the recruiting services were harder to find pre 2005.

I pretty sure Modibo was top 70. (2.7 ppg 2.6 rpg)(https://www.angelfire.com/ky/uoflcardina...iting.html)

If we want to count Dozier as a "big" and not a "wing" that's fine, whatever. And Dozier was a borderline top 70 player, depending on which service was out there.

Thierro was top 80, too. (0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg)
Pierre was 72. (2.4 ppg 3.6 rpg)
Simkins was 78. (1.4 ppg 1.5 rpg)

Not sure Earl's ranking, but he didn't play >20 mpg, didn't snag more than 4 rpgs, nor did he average >6 rpg as a Frosh.
Erwin went for 1.1 ppg and 2.5 rpg as a frosh.

Thierro wasn't close to top 100, Pierre was in the top 100 when he was a junior, but then plummeted into the 150's and if I remember correctly, Erwin was around 110.

Quote:Erwin went for 1.1 ppg and 2.5 rpg as a frosh.

If we are going to have an honest debate, you have to allow for context; which is the main point of my side. The 2001 team had Wise, who was a senior, Massie and Barron who were juniors, and for good measure, had Barclay who was a sophmore. If Cisse was on that team, he would have played 6-8 minutes per game. You can't just say Erwin went for 1 and 2.5 as if he wouldn't have done better if he didn't only play 6.7 minutes per game.

Sam isn't competing for playing time against Wise, Massie and Earl. It is basically only Dandridge.
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(05-04-2021 10:57 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 08:11 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Some people like to heap unrealistic expectations on players. Like people who expected Tyler Harris to be the next Allen Iverson and then were disappointed when he was not, despite the fact he really produced better than expected for his ranking. The same is being done here to Sam, it simply is not fair to the player. Sam will have a good career as a Tiger and can be a contributor on a high level team. However, as a freshman, it is unlikely he comes in and puts up any kind of significant numbers. But we do not need that from him. If we can get 10-15 minutes of good defense, a few rebounds and maybe a cheap bucket or two then he will be filling the role we need from him. He will need time though...

I think for many it’s more anticipation than expectation. One is based on hope and the other on entitlement. It’s fine to hope he will be what we won’t him him to be, but it’s unfair to expect it.

Go read through the Tyler Harris thread where he recommitted and how many reacted. It is definitely an expectation for many...
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(05-04-2021 11:14 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 09:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 08:52 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 06:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  It's not exactly a giant list. It is 7 players in the last 21 seasons, if you cut it off at #160. Maybe Erwin and Diarra should be on the list also.
77 Woodson - no
79 Dozier - yes
95 Marshall - no
106 Dandridge - no
115 Sam
141 Cooper - no
160 Dorsey - yes

Cooper was playing behind Dorsey, Dozier and Shawne. He would for sure have done it on this year's team. Again though, moving the goal posts makes the argument against, silly. You have Jucos that clearly were vastly inferior to #70 that did it.

That's 7 players who averaged 4 during their careers as Tigers. (It was before I realized Saluki meant JUST freshmen.)

So more than just 7 years, it's more like 19 seasons. So over 21 years, it's like 1 guy a year.

I tried to keep it in recent memory because the recruiting services were harder to find pre 2005.

I pretty sure Modibo was top 70. (2.7 ppg 2.6 rpg)(https://www.angelfire.com/ky/uoflcardina...iting.html)

If we want to count Dozier as a "big" and not a "wing" that's fine, whatever. And Dozier was a borderline top 70 player, depending on which service was out there.

Thierro was top 80, too. (0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg)
Pierre was 72. (2.4 ppg 3.6 rpg)
Simkins was 78. (1.4 ppg 1.5 rpg)

Not sure Earl's ranking, but he didn't play >20 mpg, didn't snag more than 4 rpgs, nor did he average >6 rpg as a Frosh.
Erwin went for 1.1 ppg and 2.5 rpg as a frosh.

Thierro wasn't close to top 100, Pierre was in the top 100 when he was a junior, but then plummeted into the 150's and if I remember correctly, Erwin was around 110.

Quote:Erwin went for 1.1 ppg and 2.5 rpg as a frosh.

If we are going to have an honest debate, you have to allow for context; which is the main point of my side. The 2001 team had Wise, who was a senior, Massie and Barron who were juniors, and for good measure, had Barclay who was a sophmore. If Cisse was on that team, he would have played 6-8 minutes per game. You can't just say Erwin went for 1 and 2.5 as if he wouldn't have done better if he didn't only play 6.7 minutes per game.

Sam isn't competing for playing time against Wise, Massie and Earl. It is basically only Dandridge.

and C. Lawson
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(05-04-2021 11:14 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Thierro wasn't close to top 100, Pierre was in the top 100 when he was a junior, but then plummeted into the 150's and if I remember correctly, Erwin was around 110.

True. He was 69 at Hoop Scoop and 70 at ESPN.

My bad.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awa..._2002.html

Pierre:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awa..._2006.html
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RE: I believe in Sam Onu
(05-04-2021 11:17 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 10:57 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 08:11 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Some people like to heap unrealistic expectations on players. Like people who expected Tyler Harris to be the next Allen Iverson and then were disappointed when he was not, despite the fact he really produced better than expected for his ranking. The same is being done here to Sam, it simply is not fair to the player. Sam will have a good career as a Tiger and can be a contributor on a high level team. However, as a freshman, it is unlikely he comes in and puts up any kind of significant numbers. But we do not need that from him. If we can get 10-15 minutes of good defense, a few rebounds and maybe a cheap bucket or two then he will be filling the role we need from him. He will need time though...

I think for many it’s more anticipation than expectation. One is based on hope and the other on entitlement. It’s fine to hope he will be what we won’t him him to be, but it’s unfair to expect it.

Go read through the Tyler Harris thread where he recommitted and how many reacted. It is definitely an expectation for many...

Oh, I agree with your post. I’m only saying that not all of us get carried away.
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RE: I believe in Sam Onu
Sam might be a great player one day. But I doubt very seriously he contributes more than 5 minutes a game as a freshmen. Probably averaging 2pts and 1 rebound a game.
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RE: I believe in Sam Onu
(05-04-2021 09:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 09:34 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 09:28 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 08:48 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-03-2021 06:00 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Frosh.

Somehow that was omitted.

That makes a difference. But you can still add Dozier to the list. Most of those guys were jucos/transfers. So we didn't have them their frosh years.

I said before...I don't know what Sam will do. And no doubt that the recruiting services are going to have more misses this year than normal, due to the lack of incoming senior evaluations. Is it possible Sam is ranked 30 spots too low or too high? Absolutely. If he was ranked 70, would you have higher expectations?

We know Cisse was a game changer in the lane on D. Teams stayed away from him - until they figured out a good pick/roll play to expose him. Cisse was a top 10 frosh on D. But on O? He was well outside the top 100 on offense. I think there is a scenario where Sam is better on O and okay on D - enough to get minutes.

But I absolutely don't know, so I've mostly stayed out of this debate.

I appreciate the input.

It is possible that Sam could be 70ish. And that would change expectations to a certain degree.

By all accounts Sam has been described as "raw" and "having an upside" which generally means he's tall and had success dunking on small kids in high school.

Very typical of a lot of the guys from outside the states. The check the physical boxes.

I did notice in the highlights, Sam was dunking on a lot of short guys. But I also noticed he had better touch than Cisse with the short bank shot. Hope he can contribute early on

Back in the Tubby years, we were getting beat off videos from every scrub Coach Bam was chasing.

I remember people getting exited about Usman Haruna, looking at his "highlight" reel and saying what skill the dude had.

I laughed.

Haruna ended up at ECU and averaged 1.0 ppg and 2.3 rpg. The xferred to Montana State and went for 1.5 and 1.5.

Same for Nickelberry. People LOVE the youtube videos. What a skill set. Like a little Penny. For dudes career at Memphis and Buffalo, he's started 1 time in 76 games and averages 3 and 2.

You are talking about 5% of the fanbase and making it seem that everyone thought like that. Almost nobody did.
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