(05-03-2021 03:56 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 08:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I agree that the SEC ended up being the best 2020 conference. But the Big 12 was clearly no worse than second-best. They had a great season:

8 - 3 overall vs FBS

5 - 0 in bowl games (2-0 in NY6 games)

2 - 0 vs P5

6 - 3 vs G5

Nobody but the SEC, who went 7-2 vs FBS and won 7 bowls, including 4 NY6 games, can top that.

The B1G, by comparison, was 3-2 overall and 1-1 in NY6 games.
The PAC and ACC won no games vs other P5, 0-8 combined.

The Pac-12 went 0-2 against other P5 schools, the two bowl losses. This whole season was basically a joke for the Pac-12. Four teams played just four regular season games. Washington won the North division with a 3-1 record, then had to pull out of the Pac-12 Championship game because of a Covid-19 outbreak. Oregon had five players drafted, only one played in 2020. The other four opted out. The Pac-12 had six players picked among the first 45 picks. Only one actually played in 2020. This was a "we got through it season." Not much else can be learned from it, other than no one missed the Pac-12 Network.

Yes, and you even had the winner of a division unable to play in the CCG because of the virus.

But for a conference that didn't even kick off until November 7, the PAC provided us viewers with some exciting games, beginning with USC's epic comeback against Arizona State and Colorado surviving UCLA. And it continued from there.

As someone watching from the south, I would say that the PAC games were as exciting and fun to watch "pound for pound" as any conference in the country this fall. So I am glad you guys finally bit the bullet and played.

(05-03-2021 05:26 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 03:38 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  BYU was the top non P5 school with 5 including the #2 overall.

The NFL seems to measure BYU, UCF, Cincy, Houston and Boise State as majors as far as drafting goes.

The B12 poor showing is amazing considering the played the from the start and the P12 and even B1G suffered some transfers out to schools playing.

The Playoff 4 had 33 total players drafted (Clemson was the low one, odd year, except they lost two huge weapons). That is roughly triple the rest of P5. (This is the talent concentration I referred to the playoff of 4 creates.)


The draft is actually shifting even more P5 in general than even the recent past. 210 player were from P5, 40 from G5. What's more 75% of the G5 picks (30 of 40) were day 3. Over 81% of the drafted players were P5, the highest proportion I've seen (the usual 89.1% of the first two rounds, vs 7.8% from G5 and 3.1% from FCS -- really NDSU). G5 was down to only 15.4% of those drafted.

NFL Talent is shifting toward fewer schools. That is a discernible trend in recent drafts. The Big 3 (Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson) continue to separate from the rest of P5. I blame the current 4 team playoff structure for this trend, as there are other schools that match their resources.

Cincinnati had more players drafted than every team in the B10 with the exception of OSU, Michigan and PSU. We’ll have even more kids drafted next year, as there are 6-8 players projected to be drafted.

I do concur with you the 4-team playoff is concentrating all the talent with the same programs. Looking at the 2021 recruiting cycle the top five classes are the same cast of teams that seem to get to the playoff each year: Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, Georgia and Clemson. Just outside you have Oregon, Notre Dame, Oklahoma... look familiar?

Oh, it's absolutely concentrating talent at the top:

Top-10 schools for # of Draft Picks, 2007-2011
42 - USC
30 - LSU
27 - Ohio St.
27 - Florida
26 - Texas
25 - Georgia
23 - Oklahoma
22 - Iowa
22 - Clemson
21 - Miami (FL)
265 - Total at the top-10 schools
52 - # of schools with 10 or more draft picks
199 - # of schools with 1 or more draft picks

Top-10 schools for # of Draft Picks, 2017-2021
47 - Alabama
42 - Ohio St.
39 - LSU
36 - Michigan
31 - Florida
30 - Georgia
28 - Miami (FL)
27 - Notre Dame
26 - Clemson
24 - Oklahoma
330 - Total at the top-10 schools
43 - # of schools with 10 or more draft picks
185 - # of schools with 1 or more draft picks

(05-04-2021 03:15 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 05:26 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 03:38 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  BYU was the top non P5 school with 5 including the #2 overall.

The NFL seems to measure BYU, UCF, Cincy, Houston and Boise State as majors as far as drafting goes.

The B12 poor showing is amazing considering the played the from the start and the P12 and even B1G suffered some transfers out to schools playing.

The Playoff 4 had 33 total players drafted (Clemson was the low one, odd year, except they lost two huge weapons). That is roughly triple the rest of P5. (This is the talent concentration I referred to the playoff of 4 creates.)


The draft is actually shifting even more P5 in general than even the recent past. 210 player were from P5, 40 from G5. What's more 75% of the G5 picks (30 of 40) were day 3. Over 81% of the drafted players were P5, the highest proportion I've seen (the usual 89.1% of the first two rounds, vs 7.8% from G5 and 3.1% from FCS -- really NDSU). G5 was down to only 15.4% of those drafted.

NFL Talent is shifting toward fewer schools. That is a discernible trend in recent drafts. The Big 3 (Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson) continue to separate from the rest of P5. I blame the current 4 team playoff structure for this trend, as there are other schools that match their resources.

Cincinnati had more players drafted than every team in the B10 with the exception of OSU, Michigan and PSU. We’ll have even more kids drafted next year, as there are 6-8 players projected to be drafted.

I do concur with you the 4-team playoff is concentrating all the talent with the same programs. Looking at the 2021 recruiting cycle the top five classes are the same cast of teams that seem to get to the playoff each year: Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, Georgia and Clemson. Just outside you have Oregon, Notre Dame, Oklahoma... look familiar?

Oh, it's absolutely concentrating talent at the top:

Top-10 schools for # of Draft Picks, 2007-2011
42 - USC
30 - LSU
27 - Ohio St.
27 - Florida
26 - Texas
25 - Georgia
23 - Oklahoma
22 - Iowa
22 - Clemson
21 - Miami (FL)
265 - Total at the top-10 schools
52 - # of schools with 10 or more draft picks
199 - # of schools with 1 or more draft picks

Top-10 schools for # of Draft Picks, 2017-2021
47 - Alabama
42 - Ohio St.
39 - LSU
36 - Michigan
31 - Florida
30 - Georgia
28 - Miami (FL)
27 - Notre Dame
26 - Clemson
24 - Oklahoma
330 - Total at the top-10 schools
43 - # of schools with 10 or more draft picks
185 - # of schools with 1 or more draft picks

Notre Dame hired Brian Kelly in 2010 and that has made a big difference.

Compare the two charts.

It was nowhere to be found under Charlie Weis.

(05-03-2021 07:43 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  The Big 12 with just 22 picks which even adjusting for conference size was clearly the worst, and only three ahead of the AAC. Especially because they were clearly the second-best football conference on the 2020 field overall, behind only the SEC, and some metrics even had them #1 ahead of the SEC. The Big 12 produced two NY6 bowl champs this season.

They apparently are doing more with less, LOL.

Berry Tramel hit the Big 12's draft weekend hard today:

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/2...935329001/

He analyzed draft classes for the last 16 years: the last 8 years post-B12 realignment, and the previous 8 with Nebraska, Colorado, Mizzou, and A&M. The current B12 schools have treaded water in the draft, at best.

Oklahoma - 2014-21: 38 2006-13: 40
Oklahoma State - 2014-21: 14 2006-13: 12
Texas - 2014-21: 23 2006-13: 38 (ouch)
Tech - 2014-21: 12 2006-13: 8
K-State - 2014-21: 10 2006-13: 11
Baylor - 2014-21: 19 2006-13: 15
Kansas - 2014-21: 5 2006-13: 7
Iowa State - 2014-21: 4 2006-13: 7

TCU - 2014-21, recruiting to the B12: 20 2006-13, recruiting to the Mountain West: 19 (practically a wash, though TCU moved to a P league)
West Virginia - 2014-21, recruiting to the B12: 20 2006-13, recruiting to the Big East: 17
Texas A&M - 2014-21, recruiting to the SEC: 29 2006-13, recruiting to the B12: 19 (whoa)
Nebraska - 2014-21, recruiting to the B1G: 14 2006-13, recruiting to the B12: 28 (ouch)
Colorado - 2014-21, recruiting to the P12: 11 2006-13, recruiting to the B12: 15
Missouri - 2014-21, recruiting to the SEC: 17 2006-13, recruiting to the B12: 17

Based on the metric Tramel uses, the A&M move to the SEC helped them recruit players that were later drafted. Conversely, it hurt UT, who had 15 fewer players drafted the last eight years compared to the previous eight. There are factors other than conference realignment that come into play, such as coaching changes (UT has had two coaches in that time period, and just hired their third). And this is yet another metric that shows that Nebraska's move to the B1G wasn't all that it was cracked up to be.

(05-04-2021 03:15 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 05:26 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-03-2021 03:38 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  BYU was the top non P5 school with 5 including the #2 overall.

The NFL seems to measure BYU, UCF, Cincy, Houston and Boise State as majors as far as drafting goes.

The B12 poor showing is amazing considering the played the from the start and the P12 and even B1G suffered some transfers out to schools playing.

The Playoff 4 had 33 total players drafted (Clemson was the low one, odd year, except they lost two huge weapons). That is roughly triple the rest of P5. (This is the talent concentration I referred to the playoff of 4 creates.)


The draft is actually shifting even more P5 in general than even the recent past. 210 player were from P5, 40 from G5. What's more 75% of the G5 picks (30 of 40) were day 3. Over 81% of the drafted players were P5, the highest proportion I've seen (the usual 89.1% of the first two rounds, vs 7.8% from G5 and 3.1% from FCS -- really NDSU). G5 was down to only 15.4% of those drafted.

NFL Talent is shifting toward fewer schools. That is a discernible trend in recent drafts. The Big 3 (Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson) continue to separate from the rest of P5. I blame the current 4 team playoff structure for this trend, as there are other schools that match their resources.

Cincinnati had more players drafted than every team in the B10 with the exception of OSU, Michigan and PSU. We’ll have even more kids drafted next year, as there are 6-8 players projected to be drafted.

I do concur with you the 4-team playoff is concentrating all the talent with the same programs. Looking at the 2021 recruiting cycle the top five classes are the same cast of teams that seem to get to the playoff each year: Alabama, Ohio State, LSU, Georgia and Clemson. Just outside you have Oregon, Notre Dame, Oklahoma... look familiar?

Oh, it's absolutely concentrating talent at the top:

Top-10 schools for # of Draft Picks, 2007-2011
42 - USC
30 - LSU
27 - Ohio St.
27 - Florida
26 - Texas
25 - Georgia
23 - Oklahoma
22 - Iowa
22 - Clemson
21 - Miami (FL)
265 - Total at the top-10 schools
52 - # of schools with 10 or more draft picks
199 - # of schools with 1 or more draft picks

Top-10 schools for # of Draft Picks, 2017-2021
47 - Alabama
42 - Ohio St.
39 - LSU
36 - Michigan
31 - Florida
30 - Georgia
28 - Miami (FL)
27 - Notre Dame
26 - Clemson
24 - Oklahoma
330 - Total at the top-10 schools
43 - # of schools with 10 or more draft picks
185 - # of schools with 1 or more draft picks

Its obvious to anyone that has watched a lot of CFB for a number of years that the second-tier P5 programs aren't as strong as they used to be a decade ago. One could nitpick certain situations and argue that it was poor coaching at those institutions, but the truth is recruits know their best chance of going to the CFP is to one of those 10 schools you listed, so that is where they sign on to.