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RE: What would an expanded playoff mean for the AAC?
(05-04-2021 12:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
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(05-03-2021 08:28 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  It’s not a small distinction at all for the P5. I know many G5 fans want to believe otherwise, but it’s simply not the case. The P5 have the power, so they are going to insist upon 100% guarantees for their champs. A 99% chance isn’t good enough - that last 1% guarantee is where the power comes from. Last year’s Oregon team that won the Pac-12 but wouldn’t have made a top 6 (or even top 7) conference champ playoff is *exactly* why the P5 will insist upon auto-bids for them as baseline requirement for an expanded playoff. To them, Oregon getting a guaranteed spot (as opposed to Coastal Carolina or San Jose State) is a feature as opposed to a bug.

That being said, I think the G5 spot is the compromise in exchange for the P5 to get their auto-bids. The G5 have enough traction at this point to get that spot, but asking for anything further isn’t going to fly realistically.

That's what was gathered from the SI interviews:

"Several commissioners, even one from the Group of Five, believe that each Power 5 champion and the highest ranked team from the Group of Five should receive an automatic berth. An automatic spot for a G5 team is viewed as an essential compromise, as five of the 11 members represent G5 leagues."

Well, looky there.... That does NOT say highest ranked champion. Hmmm.....

I wouldn't read toooo much into that.

1) It's not a direct quote, more just commentary

2) There hasn't been a situation yet where the committee ranked any non-champion group of 5 team with the highest ranking.

3) If anything, and if that statement was deliberate(vs. just writing off the fact that the G5 has championships), it opens the door for BYU to get in as the G5 rep.

I think it was just shorthand for what we have now. Remember---the term "G5" isnt in the CFP contract. When the G5 access slot is discussed in the CFP, the conferences are actually identified by name (as in the highest ranked champion from the AAC, CUSA, MAC, MW and SB will play in the access bowl). Look---the ENTIRE point of the G5 bid is to give the P5 AQ bids. To avoid antitrust issues---the P5 cant have AQ for its champions without making some sort of a similar path for the 5 conference champions. So yes---the G5 slot will be reserved for a G5 champ. Besides, BYU isnt a member of the G5---nor is any other indy team.

That said, my guess is providing more open "indy" playoff access and the SEC wanting to have the clear ability to do better under the new system that its currently doing in the 4-team set up---may be the drivers pushing all this talk of an expansion of the CFP all the way to 12. With 6 wildcards---its a lot easier for Notre Dame to get in (in fact, any indy has a much better chance) and the SEC is going to get 3 or more in on a regular basis. It may be that you need to go to 12 to make everyone happy and get that unanimous vote needed to expand the CFP prior to its end date.

A little nitpick on the bolded -- CFP documentation doesn't in fact list conferences by name - it talks about conferences with contracts with CFP NY6 bowls, and then the group of conferences without a contract with a CFP NY6 bowl.

So it that aspect of the current CFP construct carries forward, then a contract for the AAC champion to go to the Cotton/Peach/Fiesta (or another CFP-tied bowl if NY6 expands for a larger playoff field) would be de facto "P". That would be true even if it was significantly less money than the Rose/Sugar/Cotton, or if it excludes a backfill by a #2 AAC team should the champ make the playoff field.
It is certainly possible that one of those bowls might want the certainty of an AAC champ when they are not a semifinal - we need to keep delivering good champs, good ratings, and good attendance in the next few years to help that possibility.
Of course that assumes that the NY6 bowls (or NYx) have similar status in an expanded CFP, but that's not an outrageous assumption.
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RE: What would an expanded playoff mean for the AAC?
(05-04-2021 08:13 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 12:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 11:43 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 11:19 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 07:49 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  That's what was gathered from the SI interviews:

"Several commissioners, even one from the Group of Five, believe that each Power 5 champion and the highest ranked team from the Group of Five should receive an automatic berth. An automatic spot for a G5 team is viewed as an essential compromise, as five of the 11 members represent G5 leagues."

Well, looky there.... That does NOT say highest ranked champion. Hmmm.....

I wouldn't read toooo much into that.

1) It's not a direct quote, more just commentary

2) There hasn't been a situation yet where the committee ranked any non-champion group of 5 team with the highest ranking.

3) If anything, and if that statement was deliberate(vs. just writing off the fact that the G5 has championships), it opens the door for BYU to get in as the G5 rep.

I think it was just shorthand for what we have now. Remember---the term "G5" isnt in the CFP contract. When the G5 access slot is discussed in the CFP, the conferences are actually identified by name (as in the highest ranked champion from the AAC, CUSA, MAC, MW and SB will play in the access bowl). Look---the ENTIRE point of the G5 bid is to give the P5 AQ bids. To avoid antitrust issues---the P5 cant have AQ for its champions without making some sort of a similar path for the 5 conference champions. So yes---the G5 slot will be reserved for a G5 champ. Besides, BYU isnt a member of the G5---nor is any other indy team.

That said, my guess is providing more open "indy" playoff access and the SEC wanting to have the clear ability to do better under the new system that its currently doing in the 4-team set up---may be the drivers pushing all this talk of an expansion of the CFP all the way to 12. With 6 wildcards---its a lot easier for Notre Dame to get in (in fact, any indy has a much better chance) and the SEC is going to get 3 or more in on a regular basis. It may be that you need to go to 12 to make everyone happy and get that unanimous vote needed to expand the CFP prior to its end date.

A little nitpick on the bolded -- CFP documentation doesn't in fact list conferences by name - it talks about conferences with contracts with CFP NY6 bowls, and then the group of conferences without a contract with a CFP NY6 bowl.

So it that aspect of the current CFP construct carries forward, then a contract for the AAC champion to go to the Cotton/Peach/Fiesta (or another CFP-tied bowl if NY6 expands for a larger playoff field) would be de facto "P". That would be true even if it was significantly less money than the Rose/Sugar/Cotton, or if it excludes a backfill by a #2 AAC team should the champ make the playoff field.
It is certainly possible that one of those bowls might want the certainty of an AAC champ when they are not a semifinal - we need to keep delivering good champs, good ratings, and good attendance in the next few years to help that possibility.
Of course that assumes that the NY6 bowls (or NYx) have similar status in an expanded CFP, but that's not an outrageous assumption.

Good catch. I knew that the contract and non-contract conferences was the nomenclature used--but I thought I remember seeing they actually identified the 5 non-contract conferences in document by name (specifically where the access bowl is discussed). I guess I got it confused with reports/articles that did that back when the CFP was put together.
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RE: What would an expanded playoff mean for the AAC?
(05-04-2021 10:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 08:13 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 12:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 11:43 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 11:19 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Well, looky there.... That does NOT say highest ranked champion. Hmmm.....

I wouldn't read toooo much into that.

1) It's not a direct quote, more just commentary

2) There hasn't been a situation yet where the committee ranked any non-champion group of 5 team with the highest ranking.

3) If anything, and if that statement was deliberate(vs. just writing off the fact that the G5 has championships), it opens the door for BYU to get in as the G5 rep.

I think it was just shorthand for what we have now. Remember---the term "G5" isnt in the CFP contract. When the G5 access slot is discussed in the CFP, the conferences are actually identified by name (as in the highest ranked champion from the AAC, CUSA, MAC, MW and SB will play in the access bowl). Look---the ENTIRE point of the G5 bid is to give the P5 AQ bids. To avoid antitrust issues---the P5 cant have AQ for its champions without making some sort of a similar path for the 5 conference champions. So yes---the G5 slot will be reserved for a G5 champ. Besides, BYU isnt a member of the G5---nor is any other indy team.

That said, my guess is providing more open "indy" playoff access and the SEC wanting to have the clear ability to do better under the new system that its currently doing in the 4-team set up---may be the drivers pushing all this talk of an expansion of the CFP all the way to 12. With 6 wildcards---its a lot easier for Notre Dame to get in (in fact, any indy has a much better chance) and the SEC is going to get 3 or more in on a regular basis. It may be that you need to go to 12 to make everyone happy and get that unanimous vote needed to expand the CFP prior to its end date.

A little nitpick on the bolded -- CFP documentation doesn't in fact list conferences by name - it talks about conferences with contracts with CFP NY6 bowls, and then the group of conferences without a contract with a CFP NY6 bowl.

So it that aspect of the current CFP construct carries forward, then a contract for the AAC champion to go to the Cotton/Peach/Fiesta (or another CFP-tied bowl if NY6 expands for a larger playoff field) would be de facto "P". That would be true even if it was significantly less money than the Rose/Sugar/Cotton, or if it excludes a backfill by a #2 AAC team should the champ make the playoff field.
It is certainly possible that one of those bowls might want the certainty of an AAC champ when they are not a semifinal - we need to keep delivering good champs, good ratings, and good attendance in the next few years to help that possibility.
Of course that assumes that the NY6 bowls (or NYx) have similar status in an expanded CFP, but that's not an outrageous assumption.

Good catch. I knew that the contract and non-contract conferences was the nomenclature used--but I thought I remember seeing they actually identified the 5 non-contract conferences in document by name (specifically where the access bowl is discussed). I guess I got it confused with reports/articles that did that back when the CFP was put together.

This is true. The contract bowls are Rose ( Pac12 vs Big 10), Sugar ( SEC vs BIG12) and Orange (AAC vs Big 10 or SEC or Notre Dame). The CFP charter stipulates that the highest ranked champion from the non contract conference will participate in other bowl games, meaning the NY6 bowls. It is clear that the current format explicitly excludes, non contract conference teams from the CFP playoffs. Even if the AAC signs a contract with the Peach bowl or Cotton bowl today, it still won’t work per current charter. The two bowls are at-large bowls and are not part the original three contract bowls mentioned above. This is the reason expansion is guaranteed in next iteration of the CFP in 2026 in order to amend the charter to include a new contract Bowl that includes the highest ranked team from either the AAC, MWC, Sunbelt, etc. A peach bowl or cotton bowl arrangement to take in the highest ranked team from these conferences verses the Big 12 or ACC ( read Notre Dame ) would do the trick.

In another note, the current CFP contract with ESPN was announced in 2012 , two years before it went into effect in 2014. Expect the new deal to be announced in 2023, the current one expires in 2025. I wouldn’t be surprised if negotiations with ESPN has started with earnest. The AAC is the place be if you are a current non contract conference team.
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RE: What would an expanded playoff mean for the AAC?
(05-05-2021 12:09 AM)Acres Wrote:  The CFP charter stipulates that the highest ranked champion from the non contract conference will participate in other bowl games, meaning the NY6 bowls. It is clear that the current format explicitly excludes, non contract conference teams from the CFP playoffs.

This is the reason expansion is guaranteed in next iteration of the CFP in 2026 in order to amend the charter to include a new contract Bowl that includes the highest ranked team from either the AAC, MWC, Sunbelt, etc. A peach bowl or cotton bowl arrangement to take in the highest ranked team from these conferences verses the Big 12 or ACC ( read Notre Dame ) would do the trick.

In another note, the current CFP contract with ESPN was announced in 2012 , two years before it went into effect in 2014. Expect the new deal to be announced in 2023, the current one expires in 2025. I wouldn’t be surprised if negotiations with ESPN has started with earnest. The AAC is the place to be if you are a current non contract conference team.

This post and several of the most recent posts have all been based on three assumptions: That (a) The same criteria used to select a non-P5 NY6 bowl team will be used to select a non-P5 CFB team, (b) there is just going to be one non-P5 team in the expanded CFP, and © it is almost always going to be an AAC team.

These assumptions may be incorrect, for the following reasons:


a) It would be possible for the powers that be to decide that the top-ranked non-P5 team would receive an automatic bid, rather than the champion of the top-ranked non-P5 conference.

--This would allow the FBS independents such as BYU access, and it would prevent a mediocre non-P5 division champion from getting lucky, winning their conference championship and thus getting an auto-bid.

--It would be just as controversial to prevent the FBS independents from having access as it would be to prevent the G5s from having access.

--Imagine that Army goes 12-0 and is the highest-ranked non-P5 team, (#6 in the CFP). How could anyone argue that they shouldn't receive an invitation to play in an 8-team CFP, simply because they're not in a conference?

--One simple solution would be to treat the FBS independents as if they were a conference, and to set up a procedure by which a "champion" of the FBS independents "conference" would be selected.

NOTE: The group of FBS independents were ranked 4th in the nation in the final 2020 Massey Composite rankings - - ahead of the PAC-12, the ACC, and the AAC.

b) Whether the CFP expands to 8, 12, or 16 teams, there may be years
when more than one non-P5 team qualifies for an at-large bid
.

--For example, in 2020, 3 non-P5 teams ranked highly enough in the CFP rankings to make it into a 16-team playoff, and 2 ranked highly enough to make it into a 12-team playoff.

c) The AAC was not the top-ranked non-P5 conference in 2020, if the FBS independents were to be considered tantamount to a conference, and the Sun Belt Conference could become the top-ranked non-P5 conference within the next few years.

--This is one of the reasons why it has become such a high priority for the AAC to add an upper-echelon FB program (e.g., Boise St.).

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RE: What would an expanded playoff mean for the AAC?
(05-05-2021 12:09 AM)Acres Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 10:24 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 08:13 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 12:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-04-2021 11:43 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  I wouldn't read toooo much into that.

1) It's not a direct quote, more just commentary

2) There hasn't been a situation yet where the committee ranked any non-champion group of 5 team with the highest ranking.

3) If anything, and if that statement was deliberate(vs. just writing off the fact that the G5 has championships), it opens the door for BYU to get in as the G5 rep.

I think it was just shorthand for what we have now. Remember---the term "G5" isnt in the CFP contract. When the G5 access slot is discussed in the CFP, the conferences are actually identified by name (as in the highest ranked champion from the AAC, CUSA, MAC, MW and SB will play in the access bowl). Look---the ENTIRE point of the G5 bid is to give the P5 AQ bids. To avoid antitrust issues---the P5 cant have AQ for its champions without making some sort of a similar path for the 5 conference champions. So yes---the G5 slot will be reserved for a G5 champ. Besides, BYU isnt a member of the G5---nor is any other indy team.

That said, my guess is providing more open "indy" playoff access and the SEC wanting to have the clear ability to do better under the new system that its currently doing in the 4-team set up---may be the drivers pushing all this talk of an expansion of the CFP all the way to 12. With 6 wildcards---its a lot easier for Notre Dame to get in (in fact, any indy has a much better chance) and the SEC is going to get 3 or more in on a regular basis. It may be that you need to go to 12 to make everyone happy and get that unanimous vote needed to expand the CFP prior to its end date.

A little nitpick on the bolded -- CFP documentation doesn't in fact list conferences by name - it talks about conferences with contracts with CFP NY6 bowls, and then the group of conferences without a contract with a CFP NY6 bowl.

So it that aspect of the current CFP construct carries forward, then a contract for the AAC champion to go to the Cotton/Peach/Fiesta (or another CFP-tied bowl if NY6 expands for a larger playoff field) would be de facto "P". That would be true even if it was significantly less money than the Rose/Sugar/Cotton, or if it excludes a backfill by a #2 AAC team should the champ make the playoff field.
It is certainly possible that one of those bowls might want the certainty of an AAC champ when they are not a semifinal - we need to keep delivering good champs, good ratings, and good attendance in the next few years to help that possibility.
Of course that assumes that the NY6 bowls (or NYx) have similar status in an expanded CFP, but that's not an outrageous assumption.

Good catch. I knew that the contract and non-contract conferences was the nomenclature used--but I thought I remember seeing they actually identified the 5 non-contract conferences in document by name (specifically where the access bowl is discussed). I guess I got it confused with reports/articles that did that back when the CFP was put together.

This is true. The contract bowls are Rose ( Pac12 vs Big 10), Sugar ( SEC vs BIG12) and Orange (AAC vs Big 10 or SEC or Notre Dame). The CFP charter stipulates that the highest ranked champion from the non contract conference will participate in other bowl games, meaning the NY6 bowls. It is clear that the current format explicitly excludes, non contract conference teams from the CFP playoffs. Even if the AAC signs a contract with the Peach bowl or Cotton bowl today, it still won’t work per current charter. The two bowls are at-large bowls and are not part the original three contract bowls mentioned above. This is the reason expansion is guaranteed in next iteration of the CFP in 2026 in order to amend the charter to include a new contract Bowl that includes the highest ranked team from either the AAC, MWC, Sunbelt, etc. A peach bowl or cotton bowl arrangement to take in the highest ranked team from these conferences verses the Big 12 or ACC ( read Notre Dame ) would do the trick.

In another note, the current CFP contract with ESPN was announced in 2012 , two years before it went into effect in 2014. Expect the new deal to be announced in 2023, the current one expires in 2025. I wouldn’t be surprised if negotiations with ESPN has started with earnest. The AAC is the place be if you are a current non contract conference team.

I would think that under the 12-team format that seems to be the new rage, the conference agreements with the NY6 bowls would be superseded by the new CFP contract that would likely give them all playoff opportunities.

In a 12-team system, the top 4 have byes, and #5-12 play four games (likely at home venues, especially if a regular season game is nixed). Next you'd have the quarter-finals. These could be 4 of the NY6 bowls. Next the 2 semis, which would be the other 2 NY6 bowls. Just let them rotate who is a quarter vs. semi each year. I think they would all go for that, especially if they think the poor draws will be eliminated in the first round.
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RE: What would an expanded playoff mean for the AAC?
(05-05-2021 03:32 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 12:09 AM)Acres Wrote:  The CFP charter stipulates that the highest ranked champion from the non contract conference will participate in other bowl games, meaning the NY6 bowls. It is clear that the current format explicitly excludes, non contract conference teams from the CFP playoffs.

This is the reason expansion is guaranteed in next iteration of the CFP in 2026 in order to amend the charter to include a new contract Bowl that includes the highest ranked team from either the AAC, MWC, Sunbelt, etc. A peach bowl or cotton bowl arrangement to take in the highest ranked team from these conferences verses the Big 12 or ACC ( read Notre Dame ) would do the trick.

In another note, the current CFP contract with ESPN was announced in 2012 , two years before it went into effect in 2014. Expect the new deal to be announced in 2023, the current one expires in 2025. I wouldn’t be surprised if negotiations with ESPN has started with earnest. The AAC is the place to be if you are a current non contract conference team.

This post and several of the most recent posts have all been based on three assumptions: That (a) The same criteria used to select a non-P5 NY6 bowl team will be used to select a non-P5 CFB team, (b) there is just going to be one non-P5 team in the expanded CFP, and © it is almost always going to be an AAC team.

These assumptions may be incorrect, for the following reasons:


a) It would be possible for the powers that be to decide that the top-ranked non-P5 team would receive an automatic bid, rather than the champion of the top-ranked non-P5 conference.

--This would allow the FBS independents such as BYU access, and it would prevent a mediocre non-P5 division champion from getting lucky, winning their conference championship and thus getting an auto-bid.

--It would be just as controversial to prevent the FBS independents from having access as it would be to prevent the G5s from having access.

--Imagine that Army goes 12-0 and is the highest-ranked non-P5 team, (#6 in the CFP). How could anyone argue that they shouldn't receive an invitation to play in an 8-team CFP, simply because they're not in a conference?

--One simple solution would be to treat the FBS independents as if they were a conference, and to set up a procedure by which a "champion" of the FBS independents "conference" would be selected.

NOTE: The group of FBS independents were ranked 4th in the nation in the final 2020 Massey Composite rankings - - ahead of the PAC-12, the ACC, and the AAC.

b) Whether the CFP expands to 8, 12, or 16 teams, there may be years
when more than one non-P5 team qualifies for an at-large bid
.

--For example, in 2020, 3 non-P5 teams ranked highly enough in the CFP rankings to make it into a 16-team playoff, and 2 ranked highly enough to make it into a 12-team playoff.

c) The AAC was not the top-ranked non-P5 conference in 2020, if the FBS independents were to be considered tantamount to a conference, and the Sun Belt Conference could become the top-ranked non-P5 conference within the next few years.

--This is one of the reasons why it has become such a high priority for the AAC to add an upper-echelon FB program (e.g., Boise St.).

.

So based on that argument, they could give the G5 selection to ND every year using the argument that they are the highest rated non P5 team available.
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(05-05-2021 01:13 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 03:32 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 12:09 AM)Acres Wrote:  The CFP charter stipulates that the highest ranked champion from the non contract conference will participate in other bowl games, meaning the NY6 bowls. It is clear that the current format explicitly excludes, non contract conference teams from the CFP playoffs.

This is the reason expansion is guaranteed in next iteration of the CFP in 2026 in order to amend the charter to include a new contract Bowl that includes the highest ranked team from either the AAC, MWC, Sunbelt, etc. A peach bowl or cotton bowl arrangement to take in the highest ranked team from these conferences verses the Big 12 or ACC ( read Notre Dame ) would do the trick.

In another note, the current CFP contract with ESPN was announced in 2012 , two years before it went into effect in 2014. Expect the new deal to be announced in 2023, the current one expires in 2025. I wouldn’t be surprised if negotiations with ESPN has started with earnest. The AAC is the place to be if you are a current non contract conference team.

This post and several of the most recent posts have all been based on three assumptions: That (a) The same criteria used to select a non-P5 NY6 bowl team will be used to select a non-P5 CFB team, (b) there is just going to be one non-P5 team in the expanded CFP, and © it is almost always going to be an AAC team.

These assumptions may be incorrect, for the following reasons:


a) It would be possible for the powers that be to decide that the top-ranked non-P5 team would receive an automatic bid, rather than the champion of the top-ranked non-P5 conference.

--This would allow the FBS independents such as BYU access, and it would prevent a mediocre non-P5 division champion from getting lucky, winning their conference championship and thus getting an auto-bid.

--It would be just as controversial to prevent the FBS independents from having access as it would be to prevent the G5s from having access.

--Imagine that Army goes 12-0 and is the highest-ranked non-P5 team, (#6 in the CFP). How could anyone argue that they shouldn't receive an invitation to play in an 8-team CFP, simply because they're not in a conference?

--One simple solution would be to treat the FBS independents as if they were a conference, and to set up a procedure by which a "champion" of the FBS independents "conference" would be selected.

NOTE: The group of FBS independents were ranked 4th in the nation in the final 2020 Massey Composite rankings - - ahead of the PAC-12, the ACC, and the AAC.

b) Whether the CFP expands to 8, 12, or 16 teams, there may be years
when more than one non-P5 team qualifies for an at-large bid
.

--For example, in 2020, 3 non-P5 teams ranked highly enough in the CFP rankings to make it into a 16-team playoff, and 2 ranked highly enough to make it into a 12-team playoff.

c) The AAC was not the top-ranked non-P5 conference in 2020, if the FBS independents were to be considered tantamount to a conference, and the Sun Belt Conference could become the top-ranked non-P5 conference within the next few years.

--This is one of the reasons why it has become such a high priority for the AAC to add an upper-echelon FB program (e.g., Boise St.).

.

So based on that argument, they could give the G5 selection to ND every year using the argument that they are the highest rated non P5 team available.

1) Notre Dame, by virtue of their direct contract with the Orange Bowl, is considered to be part of what is commonly referred to as the "Power 5" and thus would be ineligible for the G5 bid

2) Notre Dame was behind UCF in the final 2017 CFP rankings, behind Western Michigan in the 2016 final rankings and behind Boise State in the 2014 final rankings.

But go on...

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Many people assume that they are a part of the P5, but I'm sure that just like everything else if it fits their agenda, it could just as easily be written to say they are not if it meant that they would receive the automatic invite most years.
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The P5 make the rules and no way are they going to give ND an easy route especially when several conferences have been trying to get them to join a league for decades. The P5 don't care enough about the G5 or other independents to get involved...hence, no part in structuring the current non P5 revenue sharing system. I expect this stance to continue into the next contract. If conference champs are required for guaranteed spots in the playoff, then it will also apply to the G5 spot. Indys will have the same access as they do now with NY6 bowls via wildcards. However, if it's a straight eight (or whatever number) bracket, then the door cracks open a bit more.
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(05-05-2021 04:46 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  The P5 make the rules and no way are they going to give ND an easy route especially when several conferences have been trying to get them to join a league for decades. The P5 don't care enough about the G5 or other independents to get involved...hence, no part in structuring the current non P5 revenue sharing system. I expect this stance to continue into the next contract. If conference champs are required for guaranteed spots in the playoff, then it will also apply to the G5 spot. Indys will have the same access as they do now with NY6 bowls via wildcards. However, if it's a straight eight (or whatever number) bracket, then the door cracks open a bit more.

I agree with you for the most part except the when the committee looks at a choice between a G5 team getting the nod or ND, it comes down to money. How much will ND fans spend to support their team VS a G5 team. And which team moves the needle when it comes to TV revenues. If you think those factors aren't considered, then you're ignoring the obvious. That's why we continually see SEC teams make the playoff that aren't even good enough to play in the SEC championship game.
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(05-05-2021 04:03 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  Many people assume that they are a part of the P5, but I'm sure that just like everything else if it fits their agenda, it could just as easily be written to say they are not if it meant that they would receive the automatic invite most years.

Unsure if you're being intentionally obtuse or not, but here goes:

Per the latest NCAA rules and regulations (http://www.ncaapublications.com/productd...D118.pdf):

Quote:An area of autonomy is a legislative provision that provides legislative flexibility to the Atlantic Coast Conference, Big Ten Conference, Big 12 Conference, Pac-12 Conference and Southeastern Conference and their member institutions. The abovementioned conferences are granted autonomy in these areas to permit the use of resources to advance the legitimate educational or athletics-related needs of student-athletes and for legislative changes that will otherwise enhance student-athlete well-being.

So the members of those five conferences are what are considered the Autonomous 5 (or A5). The term "Power" is just a dogmatic media creation to cover this.

Furthermore, Notre Dame is considered to be a "full member" of the ACC, and has voting rights on all ACC matters (https://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/sport...all.html):

Quote:The Irish will join the A.C.C. as a full member, by 2015 at the latest but preferably earlier

Quote:Notre Dame will be part of the A.C.C.’s bowl lineup as long as the Irish finish within one win of other eligible conference teams or are ranked higher in the Bowl Championship Series standings

tl;dr - Notre Dame will not be taking any G5 bids.

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How does the kool aid taste?
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We agree totally and that’s why ND won’t be eligible for any designated G5 spot, just like they aren’t now. I am quite sure they’d like to be, but the powers that be (P5) won’t allow it. There’s zero reason to think that they will. The last thing autonomous conferences want is for tentpole programs to go independent (killing their tv deals) in an effort to “steal” a bid. Just don’t see it happening.
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16 team playoff, all 10 conference champs, 6 at-large, lotsa $$$, everybody happy.
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(05-05-2021 05:14 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 04:46 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  The P5 make the rules and no way are they going to give ND an easy route especially when several conferences have been trying to get them to join a league for decades. The P5 don't care enough about the G5 or other independents to get involved...hence, no part in structuring the current non P5 revenue sharing system. I expect this stance to continue into the next contract. If conference champs are required for guaranteed spots in the playoff, then it will also apply to the G5 spot. Indys will have the same access as they do now with NY6 bowls via wildcards. However, if it's a straight eight (or whatever number) bracket, then the door cracks open a bit more.

I agree with you for the most part except the when the committee looks at a choice between a G5 team getting the nod or ND, it comes down to money. How much will ND fans spend to support their team VS a G5 team. And which team moves the needle when it comes to TV revenues. If you think those factors aren't considered, then you're ignoring the obvious. That's why we continually see SEC teams make the playoff that aren't even good enough to play in the SEC championship game.

Yep. Any arguments of this statement is propaganda.
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(05-05-2021 05:16 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 04:03 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  Many people assume that they are a part of the P5, but I'm sure that just like everything else if it fits their agenda, it could just as easily be written to say they are not if it meant that they would receive the automatic invite most years.

Unsure if you're being intentionally obtuse or not, but here goes:

Per the latest NCAA rules and regulations (http://www.ncaapublications.com/productd...D118.pdf):

Quote:An area of autonomy is a legislative provision that provides legislative flexibility to the Atlantic Coast Conference, Big Ten Conference, Big 12 Conference, Pac-12 Conference and Southeastern Conference and their member institutions. The abovementioned conferences are granted autonomy in these areas to permit the use of resources to advance the legitimate educational or athletics-related needs of student-athletes and for legislative changes that will otherwise enhance student-athlete well-being.

So the members of those five conferences are what are considered the Autonomous 5 (or A5). The term "Power" is just a dogmatic media creation to cover this.

Furthermore, Notre Dame is considered to be a "full member" of the ACC, and has voting rights on all ACC matters (https://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/sport...all.html):

Quote:The Irish will join the A.C.C. as a full member, by 2015 at the latest but preferably earlier

Quote:Notre Dame will be part of the A.C.C.’s bowl lineup as long as the Irish finish within one win of other eligible conference teams or are ranked higher in the Bowl Championship Series standings

tl;dr - Notre Dame will not be taking any G5 bids.

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Neither of those links work, but does it really matter.

With everything that has happened to AAC schools since the CFP was created, why would you trust the CFP committee to do the right thing now? If they had expanded the playoff last year to 8 teams, I'm pretty sure the AAC champ would have still been left out based on their last ranking.

Neither one of us is going to change the other's mind about this, so I'll agree to disagree.
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RE: What would an expanded playoff mean for the AAC?
ND is not part of the 5 A5 conferences but is an autonomous FBS football school
BYU is not A5 and is not autonomous
seems to me that mybe a G5 school could become autonomous but with out the network money...
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(Yesterday 06:21 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  ND is not part of the 5 A5 conferences but is an autonomous FBS football school
BYU is not A5 and is not autonomous
seems to me that mybe a G5 school could become autonomous but with out the network money...

Remember though... BYU has a contract with ESPN (like ND has it's own contract with NBC) and then complicating things BYU has its own television network (like Texas and the long horn network)
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(05-06-2021 10:26 AM)vick mike Wrote:  
(05-05-2021 08:44 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

16 team playoff, all 10 conference champs, 6 at-large, lotsa $$$, everybody happy.
this... i totally agree but without a committee of any kind
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