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So is Penn State-BLM headed to the WAC? A-Sun?
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Interesting grouping given the distances between campuses and ignoring some campuses within the same geographic area. I look forward to seeing how this plays out.
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RE: So is Penn State-BLM headed to the WAC? A-Sun?
There are posters here more familiar than me with the structure of these schools.

This is part of the system of regional state universities in Pennsylvania. I believe many, if not all of them, are historically teachers' colleges. They actually compete for students with the Penn State system, and many of the Penn State branch campuses are located near PASSHE (Pennsylvania State System of Higher Education) schools. The PASSHE schools are owned and operated by the commonwealth of Pennsylvania, while Penn State is "state-related" and partly functions as a private school. IIRC, the state appoints the board of regents for PASSHE, while Penn State is governed by its own self-appointed board, and receives a limited amount of tax money.

The PASSHE schools have been in dire financial straits for some time. This is one step toward some sort of solvency for the system. It remains to be seen if this works, or if more consolidation is in the future.

It is correct, though: that western cluster geographically passes over both Slippery Rock and Indiana, both of which are larger and more stable institutions.
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If one of the six PASSHE universities could make itself stand out somehow, it would not need to be integrated. But, therein lies the problem. How can you differentiate your campus from the others?!
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They say all six athletic departments will remain, which seems like a redundancy to me.
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I would say at least a few of them should seriously consider dropping football if they value their independence. I know at least one of those PSAC schools had an enrollment very similar to my alma mater, the University of Montevallo, and my school didn't have any football. We did have very competitive baseball and soccer teams for our size.
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(04-28-2021 12:42 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  They say all six athletic departments will remain, which seems like a redundancy to me.

It’s probably the only way they could get this to go through. Threaten to take their athletic brands and they’d have an uproar on their hands.
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I did not realize there was a Black Lives Matter campus at PSU.COGS
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(04-28-2021 07:29 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I did not realize there was a Black Lives Matter campus at PSU.COGS

I thought for sure my proposed name would spur discussion but you are the first person to acknowledge it (and in no way do I intend to disparage the BLM movement or make a political statement). Cheers!

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(04-28-2021 06:35 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I would say at least a few of them should seriously consider dropping football if they value their independence. I know at least one of those PSAC schools had an enrollment very similar to my alma mater, the University of Montevallo, and my school didn't have any football. We did have very competitive baseball and soccer teams for our size.

Or make the switch to sprint football (with a larger potential base of players) that one of these schools (Mansfield) did.
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(04-28-2021 06:46 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 12:42 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  They say all six athletic departments will remain, which seems like a redundancy to me.

It’s probably the only way they could get this to go through. Threaten to take their athletic brands and they’d have an uproar on their hands.

Yeah, pretty much.

PASSHE is ripe with internal strife. Cheyney is a problem as a failing and failure of an institution, but one that carries significant HBCU legacy, and its location within the Philadelphia region. But, honestly, the biggest issue with these schools is their respective locations. Many are in the old anthracite and steel regions, which started seeing their populations and communities shrivel in the 70's and definitely the 80's and 90's. Couple that with Penn State's commonwealth system expansion across the state and community college programs, as well as other small private colleges fighting to stay open: many mouths are open, but little can be fed to them all.

It was wondered with the northern part of the state was seeing this supposed boom in natural gas drilling/fracking that some of those old pockets (such as Mansfield, Lock Haven, Clarion, Bloomsburg, and even IUP) would see some kind of economic or population rebound. That was simply overstated.

Meanwhile, West Chester chugs along, and IUP as well. Can't speak for the furthest western schools to me (Edinboro, Slippery Rock, California), but I do wonder if Kutztown can rebound as the Philly burbs and Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton area push further into Berks County respectively. Millersville out in the Lancaster area is also in an area that picks up some ex-pat traffic and some higher rollers can swing commutes into the Philly, Baltimore, and DC burbs. Or East Stroudsburg, which is that coal region, but not terribly far removed from the NJ/NY metro hustle (that area has produced some D1 talent over the years).

But, yeah...it does feel very tense with all of these schools. Consolidation is overdue, and now the ugliness of addressing that is front and center of sorts.
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A lot of the Penn State school campuses are more in trouble than the others. The only reason they are not touched is because Penn State wants to free up more money for allocations for them to get more money. This is more of an attack on schools who are not connected to Penn State or Pittsburgh. Why not allow schools like Temple and Pittsburgh have a crack at these schools first like Temple at Mansfield or University of Pittsburgh and Lock Haven? Bloomsburg is not hurting in enrollment. They are around 8000 which is not that far from Kutztown.

Cheyney 618 They are the ones in danger of closing unless they get help. Can they merged with Temple and keep it open as University of Temple at Cheyney and keep it HBCU? It might help turn that university around.

Mansfield 1770

Lock Haven 3425

Edinboro 5187

California Penn. 5435

Clarion 5816

East Stroudsburg 5972

Millersville 6613

Bloomsburg 7998


Lincoln U. 2637

Penn State have 19 schools with less than 4000 students and 10 with less than 1000.

Pittsburgh at Titusville have less than 400.


Now, if I were West Chester, Shippensburg, Indiana, Slippery Rock, Kutztown and Bloomsburg? I would petition D1 to give them a waiver to join D1 because of the state's stupid idiotic ideal of merging schools when there are many smaller schools that needs to either merged or close like the Penn State branches.

Second, if I were the rest of the D2 Penn schools? I would look at merging with either Temple or Pittsburgh to stay open as another branch campus at the D2 level.
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The other D2 PASSHE schools may not want to merge with Temple or Pittsburgh. That's what I was saying that they need something to differentiate themselves from the rest of the pack. Also, they need to be allowed to charge their own rate of tuition too, and not have tuition exactly the same.
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It would be very hard for any of the PASSHE schools to merge with Penn State, Pittsburgh, Temple, Lincoln, or any of their branch campuses. It would be a heavy lift, politically. The PASSHE schools are owned and operated by the state. The others are part of the Commonwealth System of Higher Education, a unique public-private hybrid status. It sounds confusing for a school called "Penn State" to be basically a private school. But, that's the way it's set up.

Penn State, Pitt, Temple, and Lincoln are considered "state-related". Those four schools are operated independently with a limited number of state-appointed trustees, and a limited state appropriation making up less than 10% of their budgets. They offer in-state tuition to Pennsylvania residents.

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Speaking of state related universities, I came across this article that said that West Chester University of Pennsylvania was very interested in joining the Commonwealth System of Higher Education (becoming state related). The link to it is below.

West Chester University interested in becoming state related
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(04-30-2021 06:19 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Speaking of state related universities, I came across this article that said that West Chester University of Pennsylvania was very interested in joining the Commonwealth System of Higher Education (becoming state related). The link to it is below.

West Chester University interested in becoming state related

That story is seven years old, and I guess nothing came of it. However, I don't blame West Chester one bit for pursuing state-related status.
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