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(06-22-2022 12:45 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  
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(06-21-2022 04:58 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’d like to see the 3 Ohio teams host a 4th, out -of-state team in a similar format in Columbus. I feel like this used to be a thing but was discontinued.

Would've made a lot of sense to include Notre Dame when they were still in the Hockey East. Unfortunately these sorts of knock-off Beanpots can be pretty hit or miss. Was not a success in Minnesota.

I think Connecticut's is the only one still up and running, with UConn, Yale, Quinnipiac, and Sacred Heart. That one is fun now that Sacred Heart takes hockey seriously. They play it in Bridgeport.

A "Northern New England" version was tried with Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Lowell back before UVM joined Hockey East. Didn't take. I was never sure why Lowell was involved instead of Dartmouth. They also played it at campus sites, so it wasn't anything exciting.

The key, I think, is to have it be teams that are geographically compact but not in the same conference. That's rare.

The geographically compact thing is the more important one. The Beanpot has 3 of the 4 teams all in Hockey East, and all 4 of them were in the ECAC prior to Hockey East forming in the 80s. It's the fact that they're all D1 schools within a very compact area (with BC being the furthest away) and having access to a place like the Garden in the same general area.
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(06-21-2022 04:45 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Tournament's probably done in a couple years. I can't see it being sustainable in GR, especially w/out Michigan. Just the reality.

It's too bad since it was the closest thing to a Beanpot-like tournament in the Midwest.

I can't say that I'm surprised, though. The Big Ten schools are going to only get more exclusionary in scheduling any road/neutral site game going forward in pretty much every sport (even hockey where it has been historically more egalitarian).
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(06-22-2022 12:55 PM)e-parade Wrote:  
(06-22-2022 12:45 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 08:09 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 04:58 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’d like to see the 3 Ohio teams host a 4th, out -of-state team in a similar format in Columbus. I feel like this used to be a thing but was discontinued.

Would've made a lot of sense to include Notre Dame when they were still in the Hockey East. Unfortunately these sorts of knock-off Beanpots can be pretty hit or miss. Was not a success in Minnesota.

I think Connecticut's is the only one still up and running, with UConn, Yale, Quinnipiac, and Sacred Heart. That one is fun now that Sacred Heart takes hockey seriously. They play it in Bridgeport.

A "Northern New England" version was tried with Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Lowell back before UVM joined Hockey East. Didn't take. I was never sure why Lowell was involved instead of Dartmouth. They also played it at campus sites, so it wasn't anything exciting.

The key, I think, is to have it be teams that are geographically compact but not in the same conference. That's rare.

The geographically compact thing is the more important one. The Beanpot has 3 of the 4 teams all in Hockey East, and all 4 of them were in the ECAC prior to Hockey East forming in the 80s. It's the fact that they're all D1 schools within a very compact area (with BC being the furthest away) and having access to a place like the Garden in the same general area.

I think that you also need some level of perceived cultural parity. Consider the case of the "North Star Cup." Mankato, Bemidji, and St. Cloud all can maintain competitive hockey programs. But with the breakup of the WCHA, I think that the fan interest in watching Minnesota vs. Bemidji in a nonconference game has waned. Minnesota and to a lesser extent UMD are the cultural "big dogs" amongst the five hockey schools, whether this is reflected in the quality of hockey or not. You don't have this sort of dynamic in the beanpot; all of the teams are cultural peers.

A much more interesting North Star Cup would have been St. Thomas, Hamline, Augsburg, and Bethel, pre St. Thomas move-up.
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Upper Midwest Showcase played as two different four-team tourneys ...

Top 4: North Dakota, Minnesota, UM-Duluth, MinnSt-Mankato
Bottom 4: St. Cloud, Bemidji, Augustana, St. Thomas

Team that loses two in the Top 4 weekend tournament is relegated next year; winner of Bottom 4 is advanced.
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Lindenwood's first D1 schedule should be considered hazing.

October 1/2, @ Minnesota
October 7/8, @ Michigan
October 14/15, home v. Air Force
October 21/22, @ AIC (Springfield, MA)
October 28/29, @ Bentley (Waltham, MA)
November 4/5, @ Army
November 18/19, @ Wisconsin
December 16/17, @ Denver
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(06-24-2022 08:38 PM)Mav Wrote:  Lindenwood's first D1 schedule should be considered hazing.

October 1/2, @ Minnesota
October 7/8, @ Michigan
October 14/15, home v. Air Force
October 21/22, @ AIC (Springfield, MA)
October 28/29, @ Bentley (Waltham, MA)
November 4/5, @ Army
November 18/19, @ Wisconsin
December 16/17, @ Denver
January 6/7, @ North Dakota
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Interesting Lindenwood has Air Force at home again... pretty sure Air Force played AT Lindenwood last year, when Lindenwood was still a club team..
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(06-24-2022 10:44 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  Interesting Lindenwood has Air Force at home again... pretty sure Air Force played AT Lindenwood last year, when Lindenwood was still a club team..
You'd think they'd have more than them, rather than having it be the only home series scheduled. With all of the indies that would love a home-and-home, how could you add North Dakota to that meat grinder for a transitioning club team? Those poor guys are going to get destroyed, and weekly road blowouts to top 15 programs isn't going to do much more for fan support than a couple home games against LIU and Alaska will. I have no idea what they're hoping to accomplish here, other than selling the players out for a quick buck.
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I've added all-time NCAA DI mens ice hockey titles behind each team that has a title.

October 1/2, @ Minnesota 5
October 7/8, @ Michigan 9
October 14/15, home v. Air Force
October 21/22, @ AIC (Springfield, MA)
October 28/29, @ Bentley (Waltham, MA)
November 4/5, @ Army
November 18/19, @ Wisconsin 6
December 16/17, @ Denver 9
January 6/7, @ North Dakota 8

That list has 5 of the 7 top programs in all time titles (missing BC and BU at 5 each).

Lindenwood is coached by a North Dakota alumnus.
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(Yesterday 05:50 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  I've added all-time NCAA DI mens ice hockey titles behind each team that has a title.

October 1/2, @ Minnesota 5
October 7/8, @ Michigan 9
October 14/15, home v. Air Force
October 21/22, @ AIC (Springfield, MA)
October 28/29, @ Bentley (Waltham, MA)
November 4/5, @ Army
November 18/19, @ Wisconsin 6
December 16/17, @ Denver 9
January 6/7, @ North Dakota 8

That list has 5 of the 7 top programs in all time titles (missing BC and BU at 5 each).

Lindenwood is coached by a North Dakota alumnus.

And AIC, while having never won a title, has been the little engine that could recently. Making the tourney as the last seed and having knocked off the #1 overall in one instance.
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(Yesterday 07:06 PM)e-parade Wrote:  
(Yesterday 05:50 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  I've added all-time NCAA DI mens ice hockey titles behind each team that has a title.

October 1/2, @ Minnesota 5
October 7/8, @ Michigan 9
October 14/15, home v. Air Force
October 21/22, @ AIC (Springfield, MA)
October 28/29, @ Bentley (Waltham, MA)
November 4/5, @ Army
November 18/19, @ Wisconsin 6
December 16/17, @ Denver 9
January 6/7, @ North Dakota 8

That list has 5 of the 7 top programs in all time titles (missing BC and BU at 5 each).

Lindenwood is coached by a North Dakota alumnus.

And AIC, while having never won a title, has been the little engine that could recently. Making the tourney as the last seed and having knocked off the #1 overall in one instance.
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(06-25-2022 09:46 AM)Mav Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 10:44 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  Interesting Lindenwood has Air Force at home again... pretty sure Air Force played AT Lindenwood last year, when Lindenwood was still a club team..
You'd think they'd have more than them, rather than having it be the only home series scheduled. With all of the indies that would love a home-and-home, how could you add North Dakota to that meat grinder for a transitioning club team? Those poor guys are going to get destroyed, and weekly road blowouts to top 15 programs isn't going to do much more for fan support than a couple home games against LIU and Alaska will. I have no idea what they're hoping to accomplish here, other than selling the players out for a quick buck.
Different sport, but Bobby Bowden did this on the regular before Florida State became a powerhouse. Not saying Lindenwood will end up being one, but I think this will help the program in the long run.
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(Yesterday 09:44 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  
(Yesterday 07:06 PM)e-parade Wrote:  
(Yesterday 05:50 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  I've added all-time NCAA DI mens ice hockey titles behind each team that has a title.

October 1/2, @ Minnesota 5
October 7/8, @ Michigan 9
October 14/15, home v. Air Force
October 21/22, @ AIC (Springfield, MA)
October 28/29, @ Bentley (Waltham, MA)
November 4/5, @ Army
November 18/19, @ Wisconsin 6
December 16/17, @ Denver 9
January 6/7, @ North Dakota 8

That list has 5 of the 7 top programs in all time titles (missing BC and BU at 5 each).

Lindenwood is coached by a North Dakota alumnus.

And AIC, while having never won a title, has been the little engine that could recently. Making the tourney as the last seed and having knocked off the #1 overall in one instance.
December 30/31 at Vermont

January 20/21 at LIU

I wonder if they have a full schedule and are tweeting them one at a time.
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so they have two home games so far?
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