(04-28-2021 03:22 AM)BruceMcF Wrote: (04-27-2021 11:51 PM)DawgNBama Wrote: (04-27-2021 10:14 PM)BruceMcF Wrote: (04-27-2021 09:45 PM)nodak651 Wrote: It doesn't cost 30 million to start a team.
The claim regarded starting a "serious program"
Quote: Maybe if a school is looking for an endowment for the program it would. St. Thomas, for example, doesn't need 30 million to move their team up to D1 and neither did ASU.
St. Thomas would not be starting a program ... they've done substantial investment over time already.
As far as Arizona State, you are saying that they didn't need $30m, and ASU said they did.
How hard is it to take a.club hockey team and make them a Division 1 team, Title IX difficulties aside??? The Georgia Bulldogs have a club hockey team, which is why I ask.
Except for the "except for TitleIX", that's what ccd494's numbers are about. ASU thought it would take them $30m to start one up, but that is probably TitleIX expenses included - they announced the addition of women's lacrosse (which took place in 2018) at around the time that they started hockey. A cheaper women's sport to start up might shave a few dollars off of that.
No. ASU wanted 30 million so that they could have an endowment to fund annual operating costs. That isn't a need at every school, since most schools fund a portion of the athletics programs, which almost all lose money annually.
Page 27 shows Illinois estimated startup costs for hockey, estimated at only about 400k. This excludes the arena.
If a university is willing to forego establishing an endowment when starting a D1 program, they only need a couple million dollars, max, if they already have an arena. Most college sports programs are funded by they universities, annually, and any college could treat hockey the same way and fund a hockey program at a competative level. Mid Major basketball programs lose millions annually, for example.
Most schools who would start D1 hockey programs already have legit ACHA programs, which do not operate much differently than D3 schools like St. Thomas did. Look at UNLV, Liberty, and Lindenwood as examples... they have quality facilities, paid coaching staffs, and they already recruit. ASU was in the same boat, and that is why they were able to play a hybrid D1 schedule immediately after their announcement that they would be moving up to D1.
30 million is a made up, arbitrary, number.
Please describe the "substantial" investment St. Thomas has already made in hockey, because they currently play at a generic HS arena, located about 10-15 min away from their own campus, on the property of a HS that they share the rink with. They do not have anything close to D1 facilities, and if used as a practice facility in Minnesta, a rink that far off campus is unacceptable. Most high schools in MN have a better setup than St. Thomas currently does - that doesnt equate to significant investment.