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RE: The NoDak Memorial College Hockey Start-Up Rumors Thread
(07-20-2022 12:29 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  
(07-20-2022 11:24 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  
(07-20-2022 11:09 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I already knew that when I posted that. My point was that I believe that the whole athletic department is ready for DI.

Not according to Augie AD Josh Morton (a former North Dakota QB and Assoc AD). He's stated they couldn't make "DI Augie" work and this option does. It actually better aligns them with Duluth, St. Cloud, (of NCHC) and Bemidji, Mankato (of CCHA). Josh was also an AAD at Michigan State. He's seen top hockey programs run so he's well equipped for what's ahead of him.


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The SD Summit schools don't want Augie full DI. Augie is in Sioux Falls, and SDSU is in Brookings and USD is in Vermillion. Augie'd steal some important media light. Hence "no interest" from Summit in Augie.
To go to DI they need a DI conference. The Summit rejected them. That leaves Big Sky, MVC (Sioux Falls might actually be in the Missouri Valley), OVC, Horizon, Big East (Creighton is reasonably close). CUSA, Big 12, MtW, and B1G are likely too big of a jump). Maybe they'll put a billboard in front of the Summit headquarters.

They don't have the money, it was the Summit or D2. Augie is a small school with, really, one big donor but a small alumni donor base. SDSU and USD will always suck up the money in the state and region of SW Minnesota and NW Iowa. Augie will be much like Mankato and St. Cloud. They will have hockey at the D1 level, and they will be happy with it.
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(07-20-2022 10:22 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(07-20-2022 10:43 AM)nodak651 Wrote:  
(07-20-2022 07:20 AM)TalonsUpPuckDown Wrote:  
(07-19-2022 11:59 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  To all they Augie haters, or really just the people who were skeptical that Augie would be legit (for hockey only), they finally posted a rendering for the interior of their, currently under construction, new rink. Seems legit to me.
[Image: FYCGK_BWAAA5WMw?format=png&name=small]
https://twitter.com/AugustanaSD/status/1...9921838081
To sum up this very topic we discussed over on AZZ a bit ago, while I'm not an Augie "hater" per se, I a) never doubted they were legit and b) am still not thrilled they are in the CCHA. A shiny new arena doesn't change the travel issues nor does it address the CCHA having to absorb another small school startup that torpedoes the league PWR while bringing zero in the way of cashola to the table. Fox is not going to be outbidding FloSports for the broadcast rights to Augustana at Ferris State. I prefer they either join the Nachos or stay an independent for a few years, but Lucia didn't bother asking for my input. Now if the deal they cut to get into the league involves travel subsidies, then that moves the needle a bit (I've not heard anything on this).

I could see that from BGSU perspective, but from a league perspective, Augi fits in nicely with the Minnesota block of schools, which now consists of nearly half the league. They will also likely have Midco televise many of their games, and I could see Midco outbidding Flo on a CCHA package, given that they are working on carriage deals with larger cable companies in the MSP market and potentially other locations, and because they also have an espn+ like streaming service. If Augi hosted playoff games, they will generate as much ticket sales revenue for the league as pretty much anyone in the CCHA, as well.
Consider Augi an investment.
If Midco gets CCHA rights, expect 10 minute recruiting pitches for Augie every intermission. It's shameful how much they ballwash SDSU whenever they broadcast Summit games.

This isn't sarcasm, by the way. Halftime of Midco SDSU basketball games against conference opponents are full of commercials for SDSU, interviews with SDSU players about how wonderful being a Jackrabbit is, etc. Not a word from or about the other school, no panel show or anything, just "Sign with SDSU" or "Attend SDSU" for 15 minutes.

I know how to fix that, call your athletic department, have them start paying for advertising.
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(07-20-2022 10:22 PM)Mav Wrote:  This isn't sarcasm, by the way. Halftime of Midco SDSU basketball games against conference opponents are full of commercials for SDSU, interviews with SDSU players about how wonderful being a Jackrabbit is, etc. Not a word from or about the other school, no panel show or anything, just "Sign with SDSU" or "Attend SDSU" for 15 minutes.

When a school grants media rights to broadcast home games the contracts normally call out pre and post game shows and what must be done during intermissions. The contracting (home) team calls out the content.

This is literally a snip from UND's most recent RFP for TV rights (won by Midco):

b. Pre-game and post-game show coverage
i. Live pregame show at the venues and/or in studio promoting the upcoming event and other things happening within the athletic department and university.


Like jacks says, you want in that, you have to buy an ad slot from Midco.
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(07-22-2022 09:29 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  
(07-20-2022 10:22 PM)Mav Wrote:  This isn't sarcasm, by the way. Halftime of Midco SDSU basketball games against conference opponents are full of commercials for SDSU, interviews with SDSU players about how wonderful being a Jackrabbit is, etc. Not a word from or about the other school, no panel show or anything, just "Sign with SDSU" or "Attend SDSU" for 15 minutes.

When a school grants media rights to broadcast home games the contracts normally call out pre and post game shows and what must be done during intermissions. The contracting (home) team calls out the content.

This is literally a snip from UND's most recent RFP for TV rights (won by Midco):

b. Pre-game and post-game show coverage
i. Live pregame show at the venues and/or in studio promoting the upcoming event and other things happening within the athletic department and university.


Like jacks says, you want in that, you have to buy an ad slot from Midco.
It also says they are negotiating with UNO to produce and broadcast UND games there. Curious how that will be handled if it comes to fruition. My guess is UNO would have some commercials.
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(07-22-2022 08:34 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  
(07-21-2022 06:36 PM)TalonsUpPuckDown Wrote:  ... I wonder why the Nachos aren't interested.

Remember why the NCHC was formed: The old-old WCHA had just lost UMn and UWi to the newly formed BTHC. The remainder old-old WCHA was dominated by schools looking to run "budget" programs.

UND and DU were having none of that. They took the lead on creating a breakaway group that was going to continue to spend on their programs. To get into the new NCHC you needed to show a history and commitment to the program.

The NCHC hasn't taken Arizona State (name) or St. Thomas (market) either. And you think they'd take Augie from day one.
I would never expect the Nachos to take Augie. My comment was intended to be loaded with snark. It didn't come through the way I intended, I should have used an emoticon to help that along. Ah the joys of written vs. verbal communication...
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Anyone think Binghampton looking into hockey has anything to do with Utica and their D1 hockey asperations?
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Could a grouping of schools like this break away from Atlantic Hockey to drop some dead weight?
Binghampton, Utica, RIT, Bentley, Sacred Heart, RIT, Army, Air Force, Holy Cross

Atlantic leftovers plus LIU, UAH, Stonehill, anyone else interested
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(07-22-2022 03:11 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  Anyone think Binghampton looking into hockey has anything to do with Utica and their D1 hockey asperations?

More like the drop from the AHL to the FPHL on the pro level has left an opening for restarting the college team that played in the D3 SUNYAC in the late 80's/early 90's. This way, they don't have to worry about their team being pulled from them, since multiple AHL teams have left despite solid attendance since the Binghamton market has shrunk.
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(07-22-2022 03:11 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  Anyone think Binghampton looking into hockey has anything to do with Utica and their D1 hockey asperations?

First of all, it is Binghamton.

Second of all, probably not, Binghamton is in America East with Maine, UNH, Vermont, and Lowell, who it views as peers much more than Utica.

Quote:Could a grouping of schools like this break away from Atlantic Hockey to drop some dead weight?
Binghampton, Utica, RIT, Bentley, Sacred Heart, RIT, Army, Air Force, Holy Cross

Atlantic leftovers plus LIU, UAH, Stonehill, anyone else interested

There had been talk of AHA maybe splitting, but the issue is that no one really trusts anyone else to stay in the league/not drop hockey, and you run the risk of having a nonviable league. Also, kinda tough to look at the school that has dominated the league in recent years and say "hey, you're dead weight, we're leaving."
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https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2...League.php

We have some concrete chatter about a new league, with the discussion led by Bob DeGregorio (outgoing commissioner of Atlantic Hockey, current commissioner of the women's NEWHA).

Teams involved are the entirety of the NE-10 D-2 league (Assumption, Franklin Pierce, Saint Anselm, Saint Michael's, SNHU, Post), plus Stonehill (leaving the NE-10 for D-I independent), Long Island (D-I independent), Lindenwood (D-I startup), and Utica (D-III, looking for D-I hockey home).

The NCAA has a moratorium on new conferences for the next two years, but as DeGregorio points out these schools don't have autobid access as is, so you may as well play as a league with a full schedule and tournament for two years and then be autobid eligible.

Lindenwood aside, this is a pretty compact bus league with similar budgets and ambitions. Utica might dream higher, but this is a good place to start. Notably, none of the western orphans outside of Lindenwood are involved. Asking these schools to include the Alaskas is probably a non-starter. And Arizona State wouldn't want a part of this. That leaves UAH (in theory), but I continue to believe that UAH's commitment to re-start hockey if they find a conference was not a real thing.

Atlantic Hockey has improved to the point that they don't need to take any warm body- the vast majority of those schools have made real commitments to the sport. Bentley and Sacred Heart have new arenas. RIT's arena is less than ten years old and they have always supported their program at an ECAC-light level. AIC now plays in a 6,000+ seat downtown rink and have won every trophy the league offers for the past four years. The service academies spend money.

I've been pretty vocal that I want expansion from the middle or the top, but if there is a true new league coming in, with programs that already sponsor the sport, that's fine.
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(08-09-2022 08:59 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2...League.php

We have some concrete chatter about a new league, with the discussion led by Bob DeGregorio (outgoing commissioner of Atlantic Hockey, current commissioner of the women's NEWHA).

Teams involved are the entirety of the NE-10 D-2 league (Assumption, Franklin Pierce, Saint Anselm, Saint Michael's, SNHU, Post), plus Stonehill (leaving the NE-10 for D-I independent), Long Island (D-I independent), Lindenwood (D-I startup), and Utica (D-III, looking for D-I hockey home).

The NCAA has a moratorium on new conferences for the next two years, but as DeGregorio points out these schools don't have autobid access as is, so you may as well play as a league with a full schedule and tournament for two years and then be autobid eligible.

Lindenwood aside, this is a pretty compact bus league with similar budgets and ambitions. Utica might dream higher, but this is a good place to start. Notably, none of the western orphans outside of Lindenwood are involved. Asking these schools to include the Alaskas is probably a non-starter. And Arizona State wouldn't want a part of this. That leaves UAH (in theory), but I continue to believe that UAH's commitment to re-start hockey if they find a conference was not a real thing.

Atlantic Hockey has improved to the point that they don't need to take any warm body- the vast majority of those schools have made real commitments to the sport. Bentley and Sacred Heart have new arenas. RIT's arena is less than ten years old and they have always supported their program at an ECAC-light level. AIC now plays in a 6,000+ seat downtown rink and have won every trophy the league offers for the past four years. The service academies spend money.

I've been pretty vocal that I want expansion from the middle or the top, but if there is a true new league coming in, with programs that already sponsor the sport, that's fine.

Pretty sure there is still legit potential for UAH to restart hockey.

(04-27-2022 11:35 AM)nodak651 Wrote:  UAH Update.... One of the guys funding UAH hockey was on the radio yesterday and it's an interesting listen.  He says UAH currently has $17 million lined up and the program would have an annual budget of 1.8 million, and they still plan to restart hockey if they can get into or create a conference. Sounds like the coaches of all of the independent schools got together on a conference call to discuss the potential of a new D1 conference, and UAH was included as well. He doesn't say that anything is imminent, but it is proof of actual discussions in regard to the creation of a new conference.
 https://977espn.com/assets/podcaster/176...mp3#t=1765
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(07-20-2022 10:22 PM)Mav Wrote:  If Midco gets CCHA rights, expect 10 minute recruiting pitches for Augie every intermission. It's shameful how much they ballwash SDSU whenever they broadcast Summit games.

This isn't sarcasm, by the way. Halftime of Midco SDSU basketball games against conference opponents are full of commercials for SDSU, interviews with SDSU players about how wonderful being a Jackrabbit is, etc. Not a word from or about the other school, no panel show or anything, just "Sign with SDSU" or "Attend SDSU" for 15 minutes.

Just curious.

Is it the same for USD games?

Or is it SDSU buying/producing the ads/infomercials?
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(08-12-2022 12:04 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(07-20-2022 10:22 PM)Mav Wrote:  If Midco gets CCHA rights, expect 10 minute recruiting pitches for Augie every intermission. It's shameful how much they ballwash SDSU whenever they broadcast Summit games.

This isn't sarcasm, by the way. Halftime of Midco SDSU basketball games against conference opponents are full of commercials for SDSU, interviews with SDSU players about how wonderful being a Jackrabbit is, etc. Not a word from or about the other school, no panel show or anything, just "Sign with SDSU" or "Attend SDSU" for 15 minutes.

Just curious.

Is it the same for USD games?

Or is it SDSU buying/producing the ads/infomercials?

I haven't seen the South Dakota schools contracts but I think Mav is being sensitive. I don't recall ever being offended by Midco broadcasts and I've watched a bunch when UND plays at the South Dakota schools. For what it's worth, UND just signed a new contract with Midco and Midco is producing and selling all ads except for two 30 second spots, where UND can either show an ad for the school or sell that space. I would think that Midco is in charge of selling most ad space for the SD schools, as well.

Midco just got added to Comcast on channel 1270 in the Twin Cities market (officially given a channel like today or yesterday).
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(08-12-2022 11:53 AM)nodak651 Wrote:  Pretty sure there is still legit potential for UAH to restart hockey.

I think that the boosters and friends of the program have done an admirable job.

I also think that the administration of the University of Alabama-Huntsville and the statewide Board of Regents have zero interest in sponsoring varsity ice hockey. They have tried to kill the program multiple times while the team was playing. They have thrown up roadblock after roadblock for re-starting the program. The conference excuse is just the latest. There will be something else if a conference materializes.
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With the rumors that Nichols College may apply to D-II and join the Northeast-10, that would be one more hockey playing member for a potential D-I hockey Northeast 10 conference. If you eliminate Lindenwood from the conversation, that's 10 schools in the New York/New England footprint.

Does this really do anything to raise the level of D-I hockey? Of course not, but again, these are schools already playing hockey. At least we know they have sticks and skates.
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(09-15-2022 01:00 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  With the rumors that Nichols College may apply to D-II and join the Northeast-10, that would be one more hockey playing member for a potential D-I hockey Northeast 10 conference. If you eliminate Lindenwood from the conversation, that's 10 schools in the New York/New England footprint.

Does this really do anything to raise the level of D-I hockey? Of course not, but again, these are schools already playing hockey. At least we know they have sticks and skates.

Ughhhh. That school would be underwhelming. At least a school like Utica has a potential and LIU is full D1. The game needs to grow South and West badly.
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(09-16-2022 03:23 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  
(09-15-2022 01:00 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  With the rumors that Nichols College may apply to D-II and join the Northeast-10, that would be one more hockey playing member for a potential D-I hockey Northeast 10 conference. If you eliminate Lindenwood from the conversation, that's 10 schools in the New York/New England footprint.

Does this really do anything to raise the level of D-I hockey? Of course not, but again, these are schools already playing hockey. At least we know they have sticks and skates.

Ughhhh. That school would be underwhelming. At least a school like Utica has a potential and LIU is full D1. The game needs to grow South and West badly.

Elmira would be a better choice but they don't have the student population.
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Selfishly I don't want any of these independent schools to join a conference unless it's a conglomeration of independents. Having 5+ independents like Arizona st or the Alaska schools that are willing to go anywhere and play anyone makes it significantly easier for another school to move up without a conference. Augustana moving up is great and helps expand college hockey's footprint out west but it really didn't do much to encourage other schools out west to move up once they joined a conference. I'm afraid it will be the same way with Lindenwood.

Libertys d1 acha team is independent and the school as a whole has no problem being independent when it benefits them. If they felt that there were enough independents at the NCAA d1 level to have a sustainable schedule I wouldn't put it past them to move up without a conference. I doubt they would mind traveling to Alaska and Arizona every year looking for games if they thought they could be competitive at the next level. At the moment it wouldn't make sense to move up with so much movement happening but once things become more stable in the next several year who knows. In my mind Lindenwood, Arizona st and the alaska schools sticking around as stable independent schools are vital to any other schools moving up outside of the north east.
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The guy that first reported the usc/ucla to the big ten move is now reporting that Oregon is being very aggressive about joining the big ten. To the point that they are offering to build a new hockey arena and start a D1 team. They are also expecting Washington to join the big ten with them. I'm not sure if Washington is also willing to start a hockey program but it would make since if Oregon is.
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Take it with a truck full of salt but, according to Flugaur, Oregon big money is willing to fund a transition of ice hockey up to varsity as part of their possible admission to the Big Ten. They claim all of that can be done in six years.





Hockey mention starts at 5:00


Edit: Someone already got to it before me.
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