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(06-21-2022 04:58 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’d like to see the 3 Ohio teams host a 4th, out -of-state team in a similar format in Columbus. I feel like this used to be a thing but was discontinued.

Would've made a lot of sense to include Notre Dame when they were still in the Hockey East. Unfortunately these sorts of knock-off Beanpots can be pretty hit or miss. Was not a success in Minnesota.

I think Connecticut's is the only one still up and running, with UConn, Yale, Quinnipiac, and Sacred Heart. That one is fun now that Sacred Heart takes hockey seriously. They play it in Bridgeport.

A "Northern New England" version was tried with Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Lowell back before UVM joined Hockey East. Didn't take. I was never sure why Lowell was involved instead of Dartmouth. They also played it at campus sites, so it wasn't anything exciting.

The key, I think, is to have it be teams that are geographically compact but not in the same conference. That's rare.

The geographically compact thing is the more important one. The Beanpot has 3 of the 4 teams all in Hockey East, and all 4 of them were in the ECAC prior to Hockey East forming in the 80s. It's the fact that they're all D1 schools within a very compact area (with BC being the furthest away) and having access to a place like the Garden in the same general area.
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(06-21-2022 04:45 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Tournament's probably done in a couple years. I can't see it being sustainable in GR, especially w/out Michigan. Just the reality.

It's too bad since it was the closest thing to a Beanpot-like tournament in the Midwest.

I can't say that I'm surprised, though. The Big Ten schools are going to only get more exclusionary in scheduling any road/neutral site game going forward in pretty much every sport (even hockey where it has been historically more egalitarian).
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(06-22-2022 12:55 PM)e-parade Wrote:  
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(06-21-2022 04:58 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’d like to see the 3 Ohio teams host a 4th, out -of-state team in a similar format in Columbus. I feel like this used to be a thing but was discontinued.

Would've made a lot of sense to include Notre Dame when they were still in the Hockey East. Unfortunately these sorts of knock-off Beanpots can be pretty hit or miss. Was not a success in Minnesota.

I think Connecticut's is the only one still up and running, with UConn, Yale, Quinnipiac, and Sacred Heart. That one is fun now that Sacred Heart takes hockey seriously. They play it in Bridgeport.

A "Northern New England" version was tried with Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Lowell back before UVM joined Hockey East. Didn't take. I was never sure why Lowell was involved instead of Dartmouth. They also played it at campus sites, so it wasn't anything exciting.

The key, I think, is to have it be teams that are geographically compact but not in the same conference. That's rare.

The geographically compact thing is the more important one. The Beanpot has 3 of the 4 teams all in Hockey East, and all 4 of them were in the ECAC prior to Hockey East forming in the 80s. It's the fact that they're all D1 schools within a very compact area (with BC being the furthest away) and having access to a place like the Garden in the same general area.

I think that you also need some level of perceived cultural parity. Consider the case of the "North Star Cup." Mankato, Bemidji, and St. Cloud all can maintain competitive hockey programs. But with the breakup of the WCHA, I think that the fan interest in watching Minnesota vs. Bemidji in a nonconference game has waned. Minnesota and to a lesser extent UMD are the cultural "big dogs" amongst the five hockey schools, whether this is reflected in the quality of hockey or not. You don't have this sort of dynamic in the beanpot; all of the teams are cultural peers.

A much more interesting North Star Cup would have been St. Thomas, Hamline, Augsburg, and Bethel, pre St. Thomas move-up.
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Upper Midwest Showcase played as two different four-team tourneys ...

Top 4: North Dakota, Minnesota, UM-Duluth, MinnSt-Mankato
Bottom 4: St. Cloud, Bemidji, Augustana, St. Thomas

Team that loses two in the Top 4 weekend tournament is relegated next year; winner of Bottom 4 is advanced.
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Lindenwood's first D1 schedule should be considered hazing.

October 1/2, @ Minnesota
October 7/8, @ Michigan
October 14/15, home v. Air Force
October 21/22, @ AIC (Springfield, MA)
October 28/29, @ Bentley (Waltham, MA)
November 4/5, @ Army
November 18/19, @ Wisconsin
December 16/17, @ Denver
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(06-24-2022 08:38 PM)Mav Wrote:  Lindenwood's first D1 schedule should be considered hazing.

October 1/2, @ Minnesota
October 7/8, @ Michigan
October 14/15, home v. Air Force
October 21/22, @ AIC (Springfield, MA)
October 28/29, @ Bentley (Waltham, MA)
November 4/5, @ Army
November 18/19, @ Wisconsin
December 16/17, @ Denver
January 6/7, @ North Dakota
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Interesting Lindenwood has Air Force at home again... pretty sure Air Force played AT Lindenwood last year, when Lindenwood was still a club team..
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(06-24-2022 10:44 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  Interesting Lindenwood has Air Force at home again... pretty sure Air Force played AT Lindenwood last year, when Lindenwood was still a club team..
You'd think they'd have more than them, rather than having it be the only home series scheduled. With all of the indies that would love a home-and-home, how could you add North Dakota to that meat grinder for a transitioning club team? Those poor guys are going to get destroyed, and weekly road blowouts to top 15 programs isn't going to do much more for fan support than a couple home games against LIU and Alaska will. I have no idea what they're hoping to accomplish here, other than selling the players out for a quick buck.
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I've added all-time NCAA DI mens ice hockey titles behind each team that has a title.

October 1/2, @ Minnesota 5
October 7/8, @ Michigan 9
October 14/15, home v. Air Force
October 21/22, @ AIC (Springfield, MA)
October 28/29, @ Bentley (Waltham, MA)
November 4/5, @ Army
November 18/19, @ Wisconsin 6
December 16/17, @ Denver 9
January 6/7, @ North Dakota 8

That list has 5 of the 7 top programs in all time titles (missing BC and BU at 5 each).

Lindenwood is coached by a North Dakota alumnus.
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(06-28-2022 05:50 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  I've added all-time NCAA DI mens ice hockey titles behind each team that has a title.

October 1/2, @ Minnesota 5
October 7/8, @ Michigan 9
October 14/15, home v. Air Force
October 21/22, @ AIC (Springfield, MA)
October 28/29, @ Bentley (Waltham, MA)
November 4/5, @ Army
November 18/19, @ Wisconsin 6
December 16/17, @ Denver 9
January 6/7, @ North Dakota 8

That list has 5 of the 7 top programs in all time titles (missing BC and BU at 5 each).

Lindenwood is coached by a North Dakota alumnus.

And AIC, while having never won a title, has been the little engine that could recently. Making the tourney as the last seed and having knocked off the #1 overall in one instance.
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(06-28-2022 07:06 PM)e-parade Wrote:  
(06-28-2022 05:50 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  I've added all-time NCAA DI mens ice hockey titles behind each team that has a title.

October 1/2, @ Minnesota 5
October 7/8, @ Michigan 9
October 14/15, home v. Air Force
October 21/22, @ AIC (Springfield, MA)
October 28/29, @ Bentley (Waltham, MA)
November 4/5, @ Army
November 18/19, @ Wisconsin 6
December 16/17, @ Denver 9
January 6/7, @ North Dakota 8

That list has 5 of the 7 top programs in all time titles (missing BC and BU at 5 each).

Lindenwood is coached by a North Dakota alumnus.

And AIC, while having never won a title, has been the little engine that could recently. Making the tourney as the last seed and having knocked off the #1 overall in one instance.
December 30/31 at Vermont
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(06-25-2022 09:46 AM)Mav Wrote:  
(06-24-2022 10:44 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  Interesting Lindenwood has Air Force at home again... pretty sure Air Force played AT Lindenwood last year, when Lindenwood was still a club team..
You'd think they'd have more than them, rather than having it be the only home series scheduled. With all of the indies that would love a home-and-home, how could you add North Dakota to that meat grinder for a transitioning club team? Those poor guys are going to get destroyed, and weekly road blowouts to top 15 programs isn't going to do much more for fan support than a couple home games against LIU and Alaska will. I have no idea what they're hoping to accomplish here, other than selling the players out for a quick buck.
Different sport, but Bobby Bowden did this on the regular before Florida State became a powerhouse. Not saying Lindenwood will end up being one, but I think this will help the program in the long run.
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(06-28-2022 09:44 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  
(06-28-2022 07:06 PM)e-parade Wrote:  
(06-28-2022 05:50 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  I've added all-time NCAA DI mens ice hockey titles behind each team that has a title.

October 1/2, @ Minnesota 5
October 7/8, @ Michigan 9
October 14/15, home v. Air Force
October 21/22, @ AIC (Springfield, MA)
October 28/29, @ Bentley (Waltham, MA)
November 4/5, @ Army
November 18/19, @ Wisconsin 6
December 16/17, @ Denver 9
January 6/7, @ North Dakota 8

That list has 5 of the 7 top programs in all time titles (missing BC and BU at 5 each).

Lindenwood is coached by a North Dakota alumnus.

And AIC, while having never won a title, has been the little engine that could recently. Making the tourney as the last seed and having knocked off the #1 overall in one instance.
December 30/31 at Vermont

January 20/21 at LIU

I wonder if they have a full schedule and are tweeting them one at a time.
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so they have two home games so far?
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(06-29-2022 09:04 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  
(06-28-2022 09:44 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  
(06-28-2022 07:06 PM)e-parade Wrote:  
(06-28-2022 05:50 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  I've added all-time NCAA DI mens ice hockey titles behind each team that has a title.

October 1/2, @ Minnesota 5
October 7/8, @ Michigan 9
October 14/15, home v. Air Force
October 21/22, @ AIC (Springfield, MA)
October 28/29, @ Bentley (Waltham, MA)
November 4/5, @ Army
November 18/19, @ Wisconsin 6
December 16/17, @ Denver 9
January 6/7, @ North Dakota 8

That list has 5 of the 7 top programs in all time titles (missing BC and BU at 5 each).

Lindenwood is coached by a North Dakota alumnus.

And AIC, while having never won a title, has been the little engine that could recently. Making the tourney as the last seed and having knocked off the #1 overall in one instance.
December 30/31 at Vermont

January 20/21 at LIU

I wonder if they have a full schedule and are tweeting them one at a time.
They are. Zombo was on Adam Wodon’s podcast recently and stated that they have a 30 game schedule and another set up for the following year.
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2023 World Juniors (U-20 IIHF championship) is Dec 26 to Jan 5 in Halifax. Should the US make the gold medal game (Jan 5), North Dakota could be short 2 defenders and 2 forwards on Jan 6 and 7 (travel) based on those guys being invited to the USA camp this week.

North Dakota got the best scheduling of Lindenwood. They have them Jan 6 and 7. Now watch that backfire.
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(05-28-2022 08:51 AM)ccd494 Wrote:  Assumption (D-II, Massachusetts) is elevating its women's program to varsity status. I'd imagine they will be joining their Northeast 10 conference mates Franklin Pierce, St. A's, and St. Michael's in the NEWHA, but the release has that as TBA.

https://www.assumption.edu/news-and-even...s-swimming

Confirmation of the new Assumption women's program joining the NEWHA:

https://www.assumptiongreyhounds.com/spo...0629nfabtn

Also sounds like NEWHA will be getting an autobid:

Quote:Assumption will begin administratively in the 2022-2023 season. During the 2023-2024 season, the team will participate in the NEWHA regular-season schedule, league playoffs, and will also be eligible to receive the NEWHA automatic qualifier for the NCAA tournament.

It will be interesting to see if the women's tournament goes up to 12 spots, or continues with 11. This will be five autobids (Hockey East, ECAC, NEWHA, CHA, WCHA).
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(05-17-2022 01:48 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
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(05-17-2022 12:55 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 12:26 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  Which happens first:

a) an existing B1G member adds hockey, or
b) the B1G adds an existing program as an affiliate member (to make eight in the BTHC).

I say "b" and the front runners would be:
- Arizona State after they have an on-campus rink
- North Dakota (to fill some of the empty seats at Minnesota and Wisconsin; old rivalries never die)
- Denver (it'd get the B1G into that market)

Who I don't see in a "b" scenario is UM-Duluth or UN-Omaha as "little brother" is not welcome at the party.

I don't believe that the Big Ten will expand with more hockey affiliate members. However, to the extent that it does, the only one that has a chance is Arizona State.

North Dakota is a non-starter. Even though this isn't a full membership, the academic factor absolutely would never, ever be passable for the Big Ten. This is a total and complete fan-based wish that would never, ever be allowed by the university presidents at all whatsoever.

Denver at least has a large market and better academics, but I don't believe that the Big Ten is going to consider anyone that isn't already either (a) a P5 school and/or (b) as academically qualified as anyone that the Big Ten would otherwise consider for full membership (e.g. AAU status or otherwise super-highly-ranked academically).

All of those schools besides ASU are in either the Hockey East (e.g. BC, BU) or the Ivy League members of the ECAC, which effectively leaves ASU as the only realistic affiliate option.

North Dakota - not exactly a fan-based wish, considering (A) the source of that rumor and (B) most of the fan base wanted UND to stay in the NCHC.

My apologies, but I know who you linked to and that is as big of a fan-based rumor as you'll ever find.

Let's not kid ourselves here: it's the Big Ten's choice. If UND wouldn't want Big Ten membership (which is always easy to say when it's never going to come), anyway, then it's water under the bridge.

So is that guy legit, given the recent UCLA/USC news? https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/15..._&ref_url=
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Well if the B1G decides to also take the Arizona schools that would solve the ASU conference problem.

Now let's get USC and UCLA hockey started up.
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Updated the schedule.

(06-28-2022 05:50 PM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  I've added all-time NCAA DI mens ice hockey titles behind each team that has a title.

October 1/2, @ Minnesota 5
October 7/8, @ Michigan 9
October 14/15, home v. Air Force
October 21/22, @ AIC (Springfield, MA)
October 28/29, @ Bentley (Waltham, MA)
November 4/5, @ Army
November 11/12
November 18/19, @ Wisconsin 6
November 25/26
December 2/3
December 9/10
December 16/17, @ Denver 9
December 23/24
December 30/31 @ Vermont
January 6/7, @ North Dakota 8
January 13/14
January 20/21 @ LIU
January 27/28
February 3/4
February 10/11
February 17/18 @ Arizona State
February 24/25 @ USA U-18 (Plymouth, MI)
March 3/4 @ Alaska Fairbanks

March 23-26 NCAA Regionals TBD

That list has 5 of the 7 top programs in all time titles (missing BC and BU at 5 each).
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