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RE: Say hello to TV negotiation wars in stream land
(04-26-2021 06:03 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I actually bought a Roku before my first Firestick. While I agree the menu is more user friendly than the Firestick, especially since the latest 4K menu update, my problem with Roku is that it’s a locked down platform. Roku doesn’t allow you to add developer apps to the device.

Yeah, Roku has a different business model. With the streaming channels paying them access fees which pay for the platform infrastructure, they are going to be agnostic about which channel you watch, but if Google wants to be carried at a loss "because having Youtube really helps gets your devices into the home", Roku is going to be really reluctant to agree to those terms.
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Roku used to be create an app we will put it in the store if someone wants it fine.

Now you’ve got people paying for access and Roku demanding to be a reseller for the most desired services so you can go to the Roku channel in the Roku app and consolidate all your services in one place with Roku taking a piece of the action and getting user info as well as demanding a cut of ads if you offer ad based content.

They aren’t what they used to be and these fights will come more often.
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(04-26-2021 06:18 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  As a side note....
If anyone is reading this thread and thinking about getting into streaming content, check out Troypoint.com

Troypoint is an excellent source for information on all streaming. You’ll get a lot of your questions answered.

Here’s an interesting article on the differences between Roku and Fire TV.

https://troypoint.com/roku-vs-firestick/

Thanks for that link Cardinal Jim. I follow streaming news fairly closely but had never run across that site before. Some good stuff there.

Another thing people may not know is that Roku has thousands of "hidden" channels that don't show up when you search but are there if you know how to find them. A lot of them are niche type, but we all have different interests! Here's a good resource on getting to these channels.

Top link is a list of thousands of channels. Second link is a guide on how to add them that is very simple. Google Roku Private or Hidden Channels and you'll find lots more because there are too many to list and few comprehensive lists that I know of.

https://www.shatnersworld.com/roku-secret-codes/

https://forums.tomsguide.com/faq/how-to-...ku.203369/
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(04-26-2021 08:48 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(04-26-2021 06:03 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I actually bought a Roku before my first Firestick. While I agree the menu is more user friendly than the Firestick, especially since the latest 4K menu update, my problem with Roku is that it’s a locked down platform. Roku doesn’t allow you to add developer apps to the device.

Yeah, Roku has a different business model. With the streaming channels paying them access fees which pay for the platform infrastructure, they are going to be agnostic about which channel you watch, but if Google wants to be carried at a loss "because having Youtube really helps gets your devices into the home", Roku is going to be really reluctant to agree to those terms.

Yeah, for a big as Google is in some areas, they are a big failure in many as well. Chromecast devices are in few homes compared to Roku or Fire. They are dependent on playing nicely with Roku for that access. Its symbiotic, but Roku can afford to stand their ground with Google.
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The pissing match continues.

Roku's latest piss:

Quote:We are disappointed that Google has allowed our agreement for the distribution of YouTube TV to expire. Roku has not asked for one dollar of additional financial consideration from Google to renew YouTube TV. ​

​We have only asked Google for four simple commitments. First, not to manipulate consumer search results. Second, not to require access to data not available to anyone else. Third, not to leverage their YouTube monopoly to force Roku to accept hardware requirements that would increase consumer costs. Fourth, not to act in a discriminatory and anticompetitive manner against Roku. ​

​Because our contract has expired, we have removed YouTube TV from our channel store. To continue to provide our users with a great streaming experience, we are taking the extra step to continue to offer existing subscribers access to YouTube TV on the Roku platform unless Google takes actions that require the full removal of the channel. Because of Google's conduct, new subscriptions will not be available going forward until an agreement is reached. ​

​It is well past time for Google to embrace the principles that have made streaming so popular for millions of users by giving consumers control of their streaming experience, by embracing fair competition and by ceasing anticompetitive practices. We believe consumers stand to benefit from Google and Roku reaching a fair agreement that preserves these principles and we remain committed to trying to achieve that goal.

Google pisses back:

Quote:Service Update from YouTube TV

To our members

April 30, 2021

We regret to share that, despite our best efforts, we have been unable to reach an agreement with Roku. We continue to offer Roku the opportunity to renew the YouTube TV deal under the existing reasonable terms.

As we post this, you still have access to YouTube TV on Roku devices; however, Roku may choose to remove the YouTube TV app from their devices.

While we continue to work toward an agreement, we want you to know that you can still cast to your Roku device from your mobile device, tablet, or computer by following these simple steps. You can also continue to access YouTube TV using all of the devices listed here.

In light of Roku’s current stance, we encourage you to reach out to their customer support team to request they keep YouTube TV on Roku devices here or tweet @roku.

We are committed to ensuring our members continue to have access to YouTube TV and will continue advocating on behalf of our members.

Continue to check this webpage for additional updates.
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(04-26-2021 02:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-26-2021 11:45 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Roku seems to be always having these problems.

To be fair---Ive found Roku to be the most agnostic of the streaming devices. It seems to be the only one that isnt trying to push you into a certain product universe (unlike AppleTv, Firestick, or Chromecast for instance). All the streaming devices Ive owned have worked just fine--but I have a house full of Roku's because they have always provided equally convenient access to every service---and I like that. I still remember early on when I could not access Amazon from an AppleTv device because Apple wouldnt provide an app for it. That was it for me and AppleTv.

I bought the first generation Apple Box. Used it for 3-4 months and got a Roku. Gave the Apple Box to my son. He has a Roku now too. Ridiculous Apple didn't allow you to add apps back then.
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(04-30-2021 01:08 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(04-26-2021 02:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-26-2021 11:45 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Roku seems to be always having these problems.

To be fair---Ive found Roku to be the most agnostic of the streaming devices. It seems to be the only one that isnt trying to push you into a certain product universe (unlike AppleTv, Firestick, or Chromecast for instance). All the streaming devices Ive owned have worked just fine--but I have a house full of Roku's because they have always provided equally convenient access to every service---and I like that. I still remember early on when I could not access Amazon from an AppleTv device because Apple wouldnt provide an app for it. That was it for me and AppleTv.

I bought the first generation Apple Box. Used it for 3-4 months and got a Roku. Gave the Apple Box to my son. He had Roku now too. Ridiculous Apple didn't allow you to add apps.

Most cell phones/tablets/streaming devices will have apps or updates unavailable to them if they’re old. That should be the only reason you couldn’t add apps to it. Password or settings aside.
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I ditched YT TV when they hiked their prices and I went to Hulu Live, then Hulu Live raised their prices (both services are $65 now). I got an HD antenna and SlingTV and loving it (on a Roku of course).
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(04-30-2021 03:35 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  I ditched YT TV when they hiked their prices and I went to Hulu Live, then Hulu Live raised their prices (both services are $65 now). I got an HD antenna and SlingTV and loving it (on a Roku of course).

I use Hulu Live and like it with the Disney+/ESPN+ bundle, but yes, the price increases keep coming (and my guess is that they won’t stop). The fact that they’re month-to-month from day one and don’t require contracts is still a huge positive over cable or satellite, but in terms of pure cost, the days of price arbitrage where you could clearly get the same channels on streaming for less than cable are over. Sling is more inexpensive, but that’s because they don’t have the sports channel lineup that I want (or else it defeats the purpose of me purchasing any streaming/cable/satellite in the first place).
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(04-30-2021 05:29 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 03:35 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  I ditched YT TV when they hiked their prices and I went to Hulu Live, then Hulu Live raised their prices (both services are $65 now). I got an HD antenna and SlingTV and loving it (on a Roku of course).

I use Hulu Live and like it with the Disney+/ESPN+ bundle, but yes, the price increases keep coming (and my guess is that they won’t stop). The fact that they’re month-to-month from day one and don’t require contracts is still a huge positive over cable or satellite, but in terms of pure cost, the days of price arbitrage where you could clearly get the same channels on streaming for less than cable are over. Sling is more inexpensive, but that’s because they don’t have the sports channel lineup that I want (or else it defeats the purpose of me purchasing any streaming/cable/satellite in the first place).

That's interesting. I've been a customer of COX Cable for a long time, and to my knowledge I don't have a contract. I can cancel the service at any time.

To me, the biggest difference between streaming and cable was the on-the-go advantage of streaming. But cable has made a lot of strides there. E.g., with the COX app, there are a lot of channels I can get on my phone or tablet while I am away from home (not all, but many) and then many of the major channels, like ESPN, HBO, Showtime, CBS, NBC, etc. have apps such that if you have a cable subscription, you can watch the broadcasts away from home. You just sign in with your COX password, and stream them.

So that's another big way that cable and streaming have somewhat converged.
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(04-30-2021 06:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 05:29 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 03:35 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  I ditched YT TV when they hiked their prices and I went to Hulu Live, then Hulu Live raised their prices (both services are $65 now). I got an HD antenna and SlingTV and loving it (on a Roku of course).

I use Hulu Live and like it with the Disney+/ESPN+ bundle, but yes, the price increases keep coming (and my guess is that they won’t stop). The fact that they’re month-to-month from day one and don’t require contracts is still a huge positive over cable or satellite, but in terms of pure cost, the days of price arbitrage where you could clearly get the same channels on streaming for less than cable are over. Sling is more inexpensive, but that’s because they don’t have the sports channel lineup that I want (or else it defeats the purpose of me purchasing any streaming/cable/satellite in the first place).

That's interesting. I've been a customer of COX Cable for a long time, and to my knowledge I don't have a contract. I can cancel the service at any time.

To me, the biggest difference between streaming and cable was the on-the-go advantage of streaming. But cable has made a lot of strides there. E.g., with the COX app, there are a lot of channels I can get on my phone or tablet while I am away from home (not all, but many) and then many of the major channels, like ESPN, HBO, Showtime, CBS, NBC, etc. have apps such that if you have a cable subscription, you can watch the broadcasts away from home. You just sign in with your COX password, and stream them.

So that's another big way that cable and streaming have somewhat converged.
If you cancel Hulu Live or Sling that's all you have to do. And you can resubscribe anytime. If you cancel cable or satellite you have to return equipment and if you want to resubscribe you have to set up installation date, wait, and get new equipment
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(04-27-2021 06:01 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(04-26-2021 06:18 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  As a side note....
If anyone is reading this thread and thinking about getting into streaming content, check out Troypoint.com

Troypoint is an excellent source for information on all streaming. You’ll get a lot of your questions answered.

Here’s an interesting article on the differences between Roku and Fire TV.

https://troypoint.com/roku-vs-firestick/

Thanks for that link Cardinal Jim. I follow streaming news fairly closely but had never run across that site before. Some good stuff there.

Another thing people may not know is that Roku has thousands of "hidden" channels that don't show up when you search but are there if you know how to find them. A lot of them are niche type, but we all have different interests! Here's a good resource on getting to these channels.

Top link is a list of thousands of channels. Second link is a guide on how to add them that is very simple. Google Roku Private or Hidden Channels and you'll find lots more because there are too many to list and few comprehensive lists that I know of.

https://www.shatnersworld.com/roku-secret-codes/

https://forums.tomsguide.com/faq/how-to-...ku.203369/

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Thanks for sharing Roku links
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(04-30-2021 02:20 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 01:08 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(04-26-2021 02:37 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-26-2021 11:45 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Roku seems to be always having these problems.

To be fair---Ive found Roku to be the most agnostic of the streaming devices. It seems to be the only one that isnt trying to push you into a certain product universe (unlike AppleTv, Firestick, or Chromecast for instance). All the streaming devices Ive owned have worked just fine--but I have a house full of Roku's because they have always provided equally convenient access to every service---and I like that. I still remember early on when I could not access Amazon from an AppleTv device because Apple wouldnt provide an app for it. That was it for me and AppleTv.

I bought the first generation Apple Box. Used it for 3-4 months and got a Roku. Gave the Apple Box to my son. He had Roku now too. Ridiculous Apple didn't allow you to add apps.

Most cell phones/tablets/streaming devices will have apps or updates unavailable to them if they’re old. That should be the only reason you couldn’t add apps to it. Password or settings aside.

I think he was talking about early on. Apps were simply not available for some things....and sometimes it appeared that was on purpose.
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(04-30-2021 06:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 05:29 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 03:35 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  I ditched YT TV when they hiked their prices and I went to Hulu Live, then Hulu Live raised their prices (both services are $65 now). I got an HD antenna and SlingTV and loving it (on a Roku of course).

I use Hulu Live and like it with the Disney+/ESPN+ bundle, but yes, the price increases keep coming (and my guess is that they won’t stop). The fact that they’re month-to-month from day one and don’t require contracts is still a huge positive over cable or satellite, but in terms of pure cost, the days of price arbitrage where you could clearly get the same channels on streaming for less than cable are over. Sling is more inexpensive, but that’s because they don’t have the sports channel lineup that I want (or else it defeats the purpose of me purchasing any streaming/cable/satellite in the first place).

That's interesting. I've been a customer of COX Cable for a long time, and to my knowledge I don't have a contract. I can cancel the service at any time.

To me, the biggest difference between streaming and cable was the on-the-go advantage of streaming. But cable has made a lot of strides there. E.g., with the COX app, there are a lot of channels I can get on my phone or tablet while I am away from home (not all, but many) and then many of the major channels, like ESPN, HBO, Showtime, CBS, NBC, etc. have apps such that if you have a cable subscription, you can watch the broadcasts away from home. You just sign in with your COX password, and stream them.

So that's another big way that cable and streaming have somewhat converged.

You probably had a contract originally when they did the install---but you've no doubt long ago completed it and are now month to month.
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(05-01-2021 01:21 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 06:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 05:29 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 03:35 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  I ditched YT TV when they hiked their prices and I went to Hulu Live, then Hulu Live raised their prices (both services are $65 now). I got an HD antenna and SlingTV and loving it (on a Roku of course).

I use Hulu Live and like it with the Disney+/ESPN+ bundle, but yes, the price increases keep coming (and my guess is that they won’t stop). The fact that they’re month-to-month from day one and don’t require contracts is still a huge positive over cable or satellite, but in terms of pure cost, the days of price arbitrage where you could clearly get the same channels on streaming for less than cable are over. Sling is more inexpensive, but that’s because they don’t have the sports channel lineup that I want (or else it defeats the purpose of me purchasing any streaming/cable/satellite in the first place).

That's interesting. I've been a customer of COX Cable for a long time, and to my knowledge I don't have a contract. I can cancel the service at any time.

To me, the biggest difference between streaming and cable was the on-the-go advantage of streaming. But cable has made a lot of strides there. E.g., with the COX app, there are a lot of channels I can get on my phone or tablet while I am away from home (not all, but many) and then many of the major channels, like ESPN, HBO, Showtime, CBS, NBC, etc. have apps such that if you have a cable subscription, you can watch the broadcasts away from home. You just sign in with your COX password, and stream them.

So that's another big way that cable and streaming have somewhat converged.

You probably had a contract originally when they did the install---but you've no doubt long ago completed it and are now month to month.

Unless you wanted to get a "deal" and signed A new contract.
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(04-30-2021 07:17 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 06:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 05:29 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 03:35 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  I ditched YT TV when they hiked their prices and I went to Hulu Live, then Hulu Live raised their prices (both services are $65 now). I got an HD antenna and SlingTV and loving it (on a Roku of course).

I use Hulu Live and like it with the Disney+/ESPN+ bundle, but yes, the price increases keep coming (and my guess is that they won’t stop). The fact that they’re month-to-month from day one and don’t require contracts is still a huge positive over cable or satellite, but in terms of pure cost, the days of price arbitrage where you could clearly get the same channels on streaming for less than cable are over. Sling is more inexpensive, but that’s because they don’t have the sports channel lineup that I want (or else it defeats the purpose of me purchasing any streaming/cable/satellite in the first place).

That's interesting. I've been a customer of COX Cable for a long time, and to my knowledge I don't have a contract. I can cancel the service at any time.

To me, the biggest difference between streaming and cable was the on-the-go advantage of streaming. But cable has made a lot of strides there. E.g., with the COX app, there are a lot of channels I can get on my phone or tablet while I am away from home (not all, but many) and then many of the major channels, like ESPN, HBO, Showtime, CBS, NBC, etc. have apps such that if you have a cable subscription, you can watch the broadcasts away from home. You just sign in with your COX password, and stream them.

So that's another big way that cable and streaming have somewhat converged.
If you cancel Hulu Live or Sling that's all you have to do. And you can resubscribe anytime. If you cancel cable or satellite you have to return equipment and if you want to resubscribe you have to set up installation date, wait, and get new equipment

Well that's true for the whole service, but these days my service is made up of about three different tiers plus some extra channels I get, like HBO and Showtime, and I can cancel any of them any time I want, it would only be the entire service that would involve returning equipment.

And even equipment has become much less onerous with Cable. Ten years ago, the cable boxes were large clunky things and to get a new one you had to drive 20 minutes to this central location and stand in line. Now, the boxes are these tiny little things and there are satellite stores everywhere. The last time I needed to deal with equipment it was a five minute drive and I was immediately helped, was out in five minutes. And that was like four years ago. I haven't interacted with my cable company in any way other than paying the bill in about four years.

Bottom line is, three or four years ago, when stuff like YouTube TV and Sling came out, I was envious of those who could afford to drop cable and sign for them, as I couldn't because my family wants too broad a range of channels for that. Now, even if I was single, I don't think I would drop my cable service. I stream a lot now, but it coexists with my cable. And as many have noted, the prices have converged. It's not the case anymore that you could drop a $140 cable bill for a $40 streaming bill and get just about the same stuff.
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(04-30-2021 08:01 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(04-27-2021 06:01 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(04-26-2021 06:18 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  As a side note....
If anyone is reading this thread and thinking about getting into streaming content, check out Troypoint.com

Troypoint is an excellent source for information on all streaming. You’ll get a lot of your questions answered.

Here’s an interesting article on the differences between Roku and Fire TV.

https://troypoint.com/roku-vs-firestick/

Thanks for that link Cardinal Jim. I follow streaming news fairly closely but had never run across that site before. Some good stuff there.

Another thing people may not know is that Roku has thousands of "hidden" channels that don't show up when you search but are there if you know how to find them. A lot of them are niche type, but we all have different interests! Here's a good resource on getting to these channels.

Top link is a list of thousands of channels. Second link is a guide on how to add them that is very simple. Google Roku Private or Hidden Channels and you'll find lots more because there are too many to list and few comprehensive lists that I know of.

https://www.shatnersworld.com/roku-secret-codes/

https://forums.tomsguide.com/faq/how-to-...ku.203369/

No worries… 04-cheers
Thanks for sharing Roku links

Happy to share. Perhaps more important than those specific links is the knowledge that there are thousands more channels waiting to be found for those who want to search. I haven't found one single site that I would say is a comprehensive list of available channels as I think its an ever evolving list.
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(05-01-2021 09:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 07:17 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 06:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 05:29 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 03:35 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  I ditched YT TV when they hiked their prices and I went to Hulu Live, then Hulu Live raised their prices (both services are $65 now). I got an HD antenna and SlingTV and loving it (on a Roku of course).

I use Hulu Live and like it with the Disney+/ESPN+ bundle, but yes, the price increases keep coming (and my guess is that they won’t stop). The fact that they’re month-to-month from day one and don’t require contracts is still a huge positive over cable or satellite, but in terms of pure cost, the days of price arbitrage where you could clearly get the same channels on streaming for less than cable are over. Sling is more inexpensive, but that’s because they don’t have the sports channel lineup that I want (or else it defeats the purpose of me purchasing any streaming/cable/satellite in the first place).

That's interesting. I've been a customer of COX Cable for a long time, and to my knowledge I don't have a contract. I can cancel the service at any time.

To me, the biggest difference between streaming and cable was the on-the-go advantage of streaming. But cable has made a lot of strides there. E.g., with the COX app, there are a lot of channels I can get on my phone or tablet while I am away from home (not all, but many) and then many of the major channels, like ESPN, HBO, Showtime, CBS, NBC, etc. have apps such that if you have a cable subscription, you can watch the broadcasts away from home. You just sign in with your COX password, and stream them.

So that's another big way that cable and streaming have somewhat converged.
If you cancel Hulu Live or Sling that's all you have to do. And you can resubscribe anytime. If you cancel cable or satellite you have to return equipment and if you want to resubscribe you have to set up installation date, wait, and get new equipment

Well that's true for the whole service, but these days my service is made up of about three different tiers plus some extra channels I get, like HBO and Showtime, and I can cancel any of them any time I want, it would only be the entire service that would involve returning equipment.

And even equipment has become much less onerous with Cable. Ten years ago, the cable boxes were large clunky things and to get a new one you had to drive 20 minutes to this central location and stand in line. Now, the boxes are these tiny little things and there are satellite stores everywhere. The last time I needed to deal with equipment it was a five minute drive and I was immediately helped, was out in five minutes. And that was like four years ago. I haven't interacted with my cable company in any way other than paying the bill in about four years.

Bottom line is, three or four years ago, when stuff like YouTube TV and Sling came out, I was envious of those who could afford to drop cable and sign for them, as I couldn't because my family wants too broad a range of channels for that. Now, even if I was single, I don't think I would drop my cable service. I stream a lot now, but it coexists with my cable. And as many have noted, the prices have converged. It's not the case anymore that you could drop a $140 cable bill for a $40 streaming bill and get just about the same stuff.

There are a ton of hidden fees with cable or satellite. YOu hve to rent all of the equipment and the taxes are rediculous. When I had Comcast I had $35 just in taxes and fees LOL, that's more expensive than Sling with the Sports package added.
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(05-07-2021 01:29 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

Never understood why they had two separate apps to start with. 01-wingedeagle
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