(04-27-2021 09:34 AM)nightowl24 Wrote:  they know they exist, they just aren't recruiting them..which is mind boggling. I've talked to several club coaches and hs coaches and they have informed rice about these kids. hs coaches know that having a connection with a school impacts a kid going to a school or not, so they use that when talking to schools.

there really is no excuse for kids that are living in houston and surrounding areas. i get kids that live out of state, i mean it would hard to know about that easily. these kids are right here in houston, have had multiple articles written about them and are easily known.

wrap your head around this....tre mccalla has the FASTEST time in the nation(as a soph tre won JO's in the 100).....DJ bradley is top 6 in the state and the #1 soph in the 300H(i think 2-3wks in a row he was in tight race with Mccray from george ranch who has the fastest time in the nation)....there is NO WAY you are a collegiate track coach and you don't know these kids names, i know for a fact that milesplit has had videos of mccalla, bradley, and mcmillan(in the 4x100) and Jhase mcmillan has an interview after jumping 21'+ as a freshman. there is no excuse. if it were me, i saw those times i'm calling the coach about them, in that conversation it will come out that their parents are alumni...case closed i'm on that kid.

my question is mostly rhetorical....rice doesn't have a history of going after alumni kids, which i just don't get. you look at other schools and you see a history of them trying to get alumni kids....then there's us.

Grrrrrrrr!!! Good Lord, is Leebron in charge of recruiting?

(09-08-2021 08:18 PM)Ricefootballnet Wrote:  

(04-27-2021 09:34 AM)nightowl24 Wrote:  they know they exist, they just aren't recruiting them..which is mind boggling. I've talked to several club coaches and hs coaches and they have informed rice about these kids. hs coaches know that having a connection with a school impacts a kid going to a school or not, so they use that when talking to schools.

there really is no excuse for kids that are living in houston and surrounding areas. i get kids that live out of state, i mean it would hard to know about that easily. these kids are right here in houston, have had multiple articles written about them and are easily known.

wrap your head around this....tre mccalla has the FASTEST time in the nation(as a soph tre won JO's in the 100).....DJ bradley is top 6 in the state and the #1 soph in the 300H(i think 2-3wks in a row he was in tight race with Mccray from george ranch who has the fastest time in the nation)....there is NO WAY you are a collegiate track coach and you don't know these kids names, i know for a fact that milesplit has had videos of mccalla, bradley, and mcmillan(in the 4x100) and Jhase mcmillan has an interview after jumping 21'+ as a freshman. there is no excuse. if it were me, i saw those times i'm calling the coach about them, in that conversation it will come out that their parents are alumni...case closed i'm on that kid.

my question is mostly rhetorical....rice doesn't have a history of going after alumni kids, which i just don't get. you look at other schools and you see a history of them trying to get alumni kids....then there's us.

Grrrrrrrr!!! Good Lord, is Leebron in charge of recruiting?

Rice is recruiting Bradley.

(09-08-2021 09:45 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(09-08-2021 08:18 PM)Ricefootballnet Wrote:  

(04-27-2021 09:34 AM)nightowl24 Wrote:  they know they exist, they just aren't recruiting them..which is mind boggling. I've talked to several club coaches and hs coaches and they have informed rice about these kids. hs coaches know that having a connection with a school impacts a kid going to a school or not, so they use that when talking to schools.

there really is no excuse for kids that are living in houston and surrounding areas. i get kids that live out of state, i mean it would hard to know about that easily. these kids are right here in houston, have had multiple articles written about them and are easily known.

wrap your head around this....tre mccalla has the FASTEST time in the nation(as a soph tre won JO's in the 100).....DJ bradley is top 6 in the state and the #1 soph in the 300H(i think 2-3wks in a row he was in tight race with Mccray from george ranch who has the fastest time in the nation)....there is NO WAY you are a collegiate track coach and you don't know these kids names, i know for a fact that milesplit has had videos of mccalla, bradley, and mcmillan(in the 4x100) and Jhase mcmillan has an interview after jumping 21'+ as a freshman. there is no excuse. if it were me, i saw those times i'm calling the coach about them, in that conversation it will come out that their parents are alumni...case closed i'm on that kid.

my question is mostly rhetorical....rice doesn't have a history of going after alumni kids, which i just don't get. you look at other schools and you see a history of them trying to get alumni kids....then there's us.

Grrrrrrrr!!! Good Lord, is Leebron in charge of recruiting?

Rice is recruiting Bradley.

Yes they are recruiting him. I have spoken to the family and let them know he was on their radar and he could be getting some form of contact. They were very excited and shortly after the recruiting process started for him. He is a GREAT kid and has a story of real triumph to get where he is right now.

(04-30-2021 04:25 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Again - find a football coach who allows his players to compete in track and field without penalizing them. Even more so, find a football player who is willing to put in the hard work needed to get into track shape. It just does not happen, except in very rare situations.

So "rare situations," I agree. How rare is rare? Say it's 1-2 student-athletes per year. Over 4 years, that's 6-8 athletes that we don't have a shot at getting otherwise. And I'm guessing that would be enough to make a difference.

Say it's less than that. Say it's one every other year. That's still two athletes that are better than what we have now. And if you do it the way Jess did, allowing football players to run track in exchange for the track coach taking time to work on running for football players, then you get a win-win all around. The problem is that football coaches have evolved into a series of arrogant a-holes who think their way is the only way, and are not open to things that could help them build a better program.

Let's suppose hypothetically that over a 4-5 year period Rice got every serious two-sport athlete in Texas who had the grades. How much of an infusion of talent would that represent. Alternatively, say Rice got half of them, and a similar proportion of them from Louisiana, Arkansas, and Oklahoma. Or a fourth of them.

Which of those would be the likely scenario? I don't know, but I know only one way to find out. And the worst case seems like a risk worth taking.

One of the best triple jumpers (might have been) in Rice history is George Nyakwol. He's a very good football player, but could have been nationally ranked in the triple jump. He hasn't jumped since his freshman year, even though the red carpet is always there for him.

(12-01-2021 04:21 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  One of the best triple jumpers (might have been) in Rice history is George Nyakwol. He's a very good football player, but could have been nationally ranked in the triple jump. He hasn't jumped since his freshman year, even though the red carpet is always there for him.

Maybe I should state my position differently.

YES!!! Find a coach who will let his stars run track without penalizing them. The reason to do this is because if we don't let them run track, they don't come to play football at Rice. If they've got to give up track, they will want to be on a better football team. I think especially if you do this and let them run as freshman and sophomores, they may never become individually as great as they could be (to your point) at either football OR track... but their mere presence on the team (a rotating cadre of sprinters/jumpers who also are WRs/DBs) would improve the scores for the track team immensely.

I 'think' WRC that you're somewhat fixated on having a great track team or on having a guy who is currently running a 10.5 and helping him run a 10.1... and I'm focusing on the idea that at 10.5, he's ALREADY the best sprinter on the track team... he can get to 10.3 if he splits his time... AND if we let him run track, maybe he comes to Rice. If we don't, he goes somewhere else. Make 'running track' an option for redshirts and give them a break on some football conditioning in exchange. If they're not really making it big in football, they may spend more time at track. If they're KILLING it at football, they're probably going to transfer anyway and likely to drop track to focus on the draft... and we replace them with another freshman running a 10.5

(12-01-2021 04:56 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
I 'think' WRC that you're somewhat fixated on having a great track team ...

Where did you get that idea?

Running track might improve their speed for football.

(12-01-2021 04:56 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 04:21 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  One of the best triple jumpers (might have been) in Rice history is George Nyakwol. He's a very good football player, but could have been nationally ranked in the triple jump. He hasn't jumped since his freshman year, even though the red carpet is always there for him.

Maybe I should state my position differently.

YES!!! Find a coach who will let his stars run track without penalizing them. The reason to do this is because if we don't let them run track, they don't come to play football at Rice. If they've got to give up track, they will want to be on a better football team. I think especially if you do this and let them run as freshman and sophomores, they may never become individually as great as they could be (to your point) at either football OR track... but their mere presence on the team (a rotating cadre of sprinters/jumpers who also are WRs/DBs) would improve the scores for the track team immensely.

I 'think' WRC that you're somewhat fixated on having a great track team or on having a guy who is currently running a 10.5 and helping him run a 10.1... and I'm focusing on the idea that at 10.5, he's ALREADY the best sprinter on the track team... he can get to 10.3 if he splits his time... AND if we let him run track, maybe he comes to Rice. If we don't, he goes somewhere else. Make 'running track' an option for redshirts and give them a break on some football conditioning in exchange. If they're not really making it big in football, they may spend more time at track. If they're KILLING it at football, they're probably going to transfer anyway and likely to drop track to focus on the draft... and we replace them with another freshman running a 10.5

I was listening to Bloomgren’s podcast today with JP and he mentioned they’d seen a couple “Rice Kids” on the recruiting trail this week.

(12-01-2021 09:30 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 04:56 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
I 'think' WRC that you're somewhat fixated on having a great track team ...

Where did you get that idea?

Let me be a little more clear.

I get that you want a great track team... so you see George and you see that he could be giving us (me just making up numbers) 20 points rather than 10 if he concentrated on track... but George doesn't want to concentrate on track and the track coach doesn't want to give him a full scholarship because of limitations... and the football coach does, and doesn't have the limitations.

So your options aren't George giving you 20 points vs giving you 10 like you describe; they are George giving you 10 vs George not coming to Rice. Part of that means that George may not give you ANY points... but perhaps the freshman behind George on the depth chart can come in and give you 10.

You asked somewhat sarcastically... find me a coach who will let his football players run track and I am saying precisely that. YES... FIND THAT GUY and then have him recruit p5 kids who won't be allowed to run track at their p5 school... who won't come to Rice to play football alone. I won't suggest that he will always or ever let you have his stars or even starters... but I am suggesting that there are kids currently buried on the football depth chart who with very little training, can out-sprint your pole vaulters whom you are currently running in the 100-200 and relays.... and maybe even the 400. They can also likely add some points in the long and triple jumps. All areas where Rice track struggles for points.

And yes, you may find a guy with Olympic potential and a football coach may not like it, but he will surely recognize the attention that could bring to him... and improve his recruiting. Being able to say you have the conference 100m champ lined up wide can also change how defenses play you.

I looked in an old Campanile and in 1948 the backfield coach in football was also the assistant track coach.
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(12-01-2021 09:30 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 04:56 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  [b]
I 'think' WRC that you're somewhat fixated on having a great track team ...

Where did you get that idea?

Let me be a little more clear.

I get that you want a great track team... so you see George and you see that he could be giving us (me just making up numbers) 20 points rather than 10 if he concentrated on track... but George doesn't want to concentrate on track and the track coach doesn't want to give him a full scholarship because of limitations... and the football coach does, and doesn't have the limitations.

So your options aren't George giving you 20 points vs giving you 10 like you describe; they are George giving you 10 vs George not coming to Rice. Part of that means that George may not give you ANY points... but perhaps the freshman behind George on the depth chart can come in and give you 10.

You asked somewhat sarcastically... find me a coach who will let his football players run track and I am saying precisely that. YES... FIND THAT GUY and then have him recruit p5 kids who won't be allowed to run track at their p5 school... who won't come to Rice to play football alone. I won't suggest that he will always or ever let you have his stars or even starters... but I am suggesting that there are kids currently buried on the football depth chart who with very little training, can out-sprint your pole vaulters whom you are currently running in the 100-200 and relays.... and maybe even the 400. They can also likely add some points in the long and triple jumps. All areas where Rice track struggles for points.

And yes, you may find a guy with Olympic potential and a football coach may not like it, but he will surely recognize the attention that could bring to him... and improve his recruiting. Being able to say you have the conference 100m champ lined up wide can also change how defenses play you.
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A shameless plug here for the old batboy...

HOUSTON TOUCHDOWN CLUB:
There are several Rice connections among the finalists for the Touchdown Club of Houston high school awards: Finalist for Private School Lineman of the Year - Stefan Gustafson (son of Sofia Adrogue ’88 and Sten Gustafson ’89), Finalist for UIL Offensive Player of the Year – Bert Emanuel Jr (son of Bert Emanuel ’94) and Finalist for UIL Coach of the Year - Rick LaFavers (former Rice assistant coach, 2007-11).

Here's the link to the full list (Houston Touchdown Club Awards and scroll down). I think all the Rice connections are listed, including former asst. coach Rick LaFavers, but please point out other Owls' kids if they were missed.

Josh McMillan, Tompkins, is a finalist for offensive player of the year as well. He's mentioned in this thread (he's an HBU commit).

(12-03-2021 05:47 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Josh McMillan, Tompkins, is a finalist for offensive player of the year as well. He's mentioned in this thread (he's an HBU commit).

He's a double Rice kid, both mom and pop.

(12-02-2021 11:50 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  You asked somewhat sarcastically... find me a coach who will let his football players run track and I am saying precisely that. YES... FIND THAT GUY and then have him recruit p5 kids who won't be allowed to run track at their p5 school... who won't come to Rice to play football alone.

Exactly.

On the subject of multi-sport athletes, Baylor is currently leading Okie State 14-3 in the XII championship game behind a freshman QB who is also a shortstop on the baseball team.

Baylor also has a transfer from Dartmouth, Drew Estrada from Azle. That is the kind of player that we should have been all over, and with proper Texas HS coaching connections, we could have been in much better shape to recruit him.

21-3 now, shortly after a controversial call on a forward/backward pass by Baylor. Oklahoma State choking once again at the end of the season, just not at Bedlam this time.

(12-04-2021 01:03 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Baylor also has a transfer from Dartmouth, Drew Estrada from Azle. That is the kind of player that we should have been all over, and with proper Texas HS coaching connections, we could have been in much better shape to recruit him.

Also: Azle is Thor's hometown.

(12-03-2021 01:58 PM)Swede Owl Wrote:  A shameless plug here for the old batboy...

HOUSTON TOUCHDOWN CLUB:
There are several Rice connections among the finalists for the Touchdown Club of Houston high school awards: Finalist for Private School Lineman of the Year - Stefan Gustafson (son of Sofia Adrogue ’88 and Sten Gustafson ’89), Finalist for UIL Offensive Player of the Year – Bert Emanuel Jr (son of Bert Emanuel ’94) and Finalist for UIL Coach of the Year - Rick LaFavers (former Rice assistant coach, 2007-11).

Here's the link to the full list (Houston Touchdown Club Awards and scroll down). I think all the Rice connections are listed, including former asst. coach Rick LaFavers, but please point out other Owls' kids if they were missed.

COngratulations to our Owl families!!

(12-03-2021 01:58 PM)Swede Owl Wrote:  A shameless plug here for the old batboy...

HOUSTON TOUCHDOWN CLUB:
There are several Rice connections among the finalists for the Touchdown Club of Houston high school awards: Finalist for Private School Lineman of the Year - Stefan Gustafson (son of Sofia Adrogue ’88 and Sten Gustafson ’89), Finalist for UIL Offensive Player of the Year – Bert Emanuel Jr (son of Bert Emanuel ’94) and Finalist for UIL Coach of the Year - Rick LaFavers (former Rice assistant coach, 2007-11).

Here's the link to the full list (Houston Touchdown Club Awards and scroll down). I think all the Rice connections are listed, including former asst. coach Rick LaFavers, but please point out other Owls' kids if they were missed.

Congrats!