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RE: “The chances of Nuclear War are increasing”
(04-22-2021 03:59 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 03:33 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
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(04-22-2021 02:59 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Iran will end up being the next nuclear target, and it won't be from us. A fight with Russia is now a fight with China. If Russia goes down, China runs out of fuel. That's why Russia is rustling its sword. China knows the West is weak again and feels the need to pick its spots.

I think it's most likely that China makes a move against Russia directly in an attempt to 'annex' Siberia. Russia's saber-rattling is at best a semi-bluff, hoping they can at least project enough of a perceived threat to keep China at bay. China will have to move on Russia before moving on the US and our European allies.

While we our throwing things around. I think Russia and China have already communicated what they want. Russia retakes Ukraine, China takes Hong Kong, Taiwan, and establishes their ownership of whatever the name of that sea is over there.

They have to know we wont be willing to take on China/Russia/Iran all at the same time. If we do, we are toast.

That's certainly a plausible outcome. We wouldn't be "toast", but it would require a nuclear response on at least one front. I just don't see Putin trusting China for the long haul. Moscow sits far closer to western allies than it does to Beijing, and I feel certain Beijing would make it well known they would view Moscow as a necessary but weak partner. I don't think Putin would be happy living under Beijing's thumb.

On "our" side, SK and Japan are in a pickle, with Australia close behind. Not that China has many true allies, but on their end I think they view NK as extremely expendable and likewise with Iran if they can control Russia's Siberian oil fields or even push into Kazakhstan. I don't think China views the southern asian countries as strategically important, nor as a threat.

China could 'sacrifice' NK by supporting an invasion of SK which would keep SK, Japanese, and US forces occupied in the Pacific while using minimal resources on their part. Unless the US is prepared to give up Seoul and Tokyo, China could wager that we would ignore a Chinese/Russian war as long as China didn't directly invade SK, Japan, and Australia.

Russia would probably view a Chinese attack on Kazakhstan as a massive threat and would have to send the majority of their conventional forces to counter, leaving them unable to defend the Siberian oil and gas fields if China were to pivot that direction. The question is what Russia would do from there. The answer, IMO, depends on who Putin trusts more. The west, or China?
From what I have seen, Putin seems to feel the capitalist West is more stable and less threatening than China. He's right too.
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RE: “The chances of Nuclear War are increasing”
(04-22-2021 03:50 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 03:40 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  If he's talking about nuking just California... I'm listening.

First they came for California and I did nothing because they were libs....

...don't forget Oregon and Washington. Heck, we'll provide coordinates if they want. Swag, are you thinking of moving to any of those three in the near future?
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RE: “The chances of Nuclear War are increasing”
I dont think Russia would be considering China a long term alliance anyway.

Just how long after WW2 was it when Russia and USA turned their attentions to each other?
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RE: “The chances of Nuclear War are increasing”
Quote:Rep. Mike Turner, R-Ohio, on Sunday doubled down on a warning from the head of the U.S. nuclear arsenal the United States is unready to face the threat of China and Russia's nuclear power strides.

In an interview on Fox News' "Sunday Morning Futures," Turner noted the testimony last week from Adm. Charles Richard, the commander of U.S. Strategic Command, who told the Senate Armed Services Committee that China's nuclear weapons arsenal has grown dramatically — and Russia remains a primary nuclear threat for the United States.

"China's doubling their nuclear weapons, Russia modernized nuclear weapons and is fielding new capabilities and we're looking at an aging stockpile and a Congress that may be unwilling to do what needs to be done," Turner said.

"[Richard] is sounding the alarm as we go forward with the budget process, that we fight for nuclear modernization to make certain we can deter our adversaries."

According to Turner, the Biden administration "is proposing 16% increases everywhere else but in defense."

"We need to make certain that America stays strong, that we build a strong military, that we rise to the occasion against the modernization of China and Russia and we'll be able to keep our allies in the United States safe," Turner asserted.

Turner also called the announced U.S. withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan a "tragedy."

"I was talking to [retired four-star] Gen. [David] Petraeus," he said. "He was saying part of the concern we have is the ability to be able to continue our counterterrorism efforts there."

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RE: “The chances of Nuclear War are increasing”
(04-22-2021 04:33 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  I dont think Russia would be considering China a long term alliance anyway.

Just how long after WW2 was it when Russia and USA turned their attentions to each other?

before it even ended
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RE: “The chances of Nuclear War are increasing”
(04-22-2021 04:07 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 03:50 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 03:40 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  If he's talking about nuking just California... I'm listening.

First they came for California and I did nothing because they were libs....

...don't forget Oregon and Washington. Heck, we'll provide coordinates if they want. Swag, are you thinking of moving to any of those three in the near future?

Let's try and at least be rational. We're ALL downwind of Kalifornia.
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RE: “The chances of Nuclear War are increasing”
Nuclear war isn't profitable enough to happen.
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