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RE: Neuheisal and Childers discussed P5 and G5 conference relegation
The G5 should do it, with the annual NY6 bid going to the Premier Conference champion. To start off, place the five G5 champions and the next 9 best G5 schools in the 14-team Premier Conference. Divide into two divisions, based on geography.

While they're at it, realign the other G4 with better geography.

So, taking the 2020 G5 champs, the G5 schools that were ranked and receiving AP and/or Coaches Poll votes, and assuming that BYU and Army would stay independent (but that Liberty would not):

PREMIER G5 CONFERENCE (14 schools)
EAST
Cincinnati
Coastal Carolina
Ball State
Liberty
Buffalo
Marshall
Appalachian State

WEST
San Jose State
UAB
Tulsa
Memphis
Nevada
SMU
Boise State

AAC (12 schools)
EAST
Temple
ECU
UCF
USF
Old Dominion
Georgia State

WEST
Navy
Tulane
Houston
Rice
Southern Miss
UTSA

CUSA (14 schools)
EAST
Charlotte
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Georgia Southern
Troy

WEST
Louisiana Tech
North Texas
UTEP
Texas State
Arkansas State
UL Monroe
South Alabama

MAC (10 schools)
Kent State
Miami(OH)
Ohio
Akron
Bowling Green
Toledo
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Northern Illinois

MWC (10 schools)
San Diego State
Hawaii
Fresno State
Air Force
Wyoming
New Mexico
Colorado State
Utah State
UNLV
New Mexico State
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RE: Neuheisal and Childers discussed P5 and G5 conference relegation
(04-21-2021 10:22 AM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  It was a fascinating topic and since RN's son is on the Broncos golf team, they gave a lot of attention to the Broncos, Childers even said that we were a P5 team in a G5 conference. He said that teams like Kansas and Vandy don't invest a dime in their teams and are just riding the coattails of their conference while teams like Boise, UCF, Cinci, etc invest heavily into their programs. Anyway, their idea was tied into what's going on in European soccer currently and they proposed pairing up the Sun Belt with the SEC, AAC with ACC, CUSA with Big 12, MAC with Big10 and MWC with PAC and the idea was that the top 3 in the G5 would join their respective P5 conference for the following year and conversely the bottom 3 P5's would be relegated to their respective G5 partners. They said that interest would skyrocket and give a more equitable shot for over 100 teams instead of the same 4 or 5 every year. I had to go into the office for work but it was a really good listen.

On a side note, that show is horrible. Constantly talking over one another and rambling like two old men sitting on a porch.
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RE: Neuheisal and Childers discussed P5 and G5 conference relegation
(04-21-2021 01:32 PM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 01:04 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  As an example of relegation between G5 conferences assume CUSA and AAC had an agreement. The top three CUSA schools would start playing in the AAC and the bottom three AAC schools would start playing in CUSA.

But what would that do? CUSA or AAC, it's still the "have nots".

HAHAHA.... Dude. You have no idea. I think the CUSA media deal pays them LITERALLY in the hundred's of thousands per team. AAC teams get $7M.
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(04-21-2021 04:27 PM)YNot Wrote:  The G5 should do it, with the annual NY6 bid going to the Premier Conference champion. To start off, place the five G5 champions and the next 9 best G5 schools in the 14-team Premier Conference. Divide into two divisions, based on geography.

While they're at it, realign the other G4 with better geography.

So, taking the 2020 G5 champs, the G5 schools that were ranked and receiving AP and/or Coaches Poll votes, and assuming that BYU and Army would stay independent (but that Liberty would not):

PREMIER G5 CONFERENCE (14 schools)
EAST
Cincinnati
Coastal Carolina
Ball State
Liberty
Buffalo
Marshall
Appalachian State

WEST
San Jose State
UAB
Tulsa
Memphis
Nevada
SMU
Boise State

AAC (12 schools)
EAST
Temple
ECU
UCF
USF
Old Dominion
Georgia State

WEST
Navy
Tulane
Houston
Rice
Southern Miss
UTSA

CUSA (14 schools)
EAST
Charlotte
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Georgia Southern
Troy

WEST
Louisiana Tech
North Texas
UTEP
Texas State
Arkansas State
UL Monroe
South Alabama

MAC (10 schools)
Kent State
Miami(OH)
Ohio
Akron
Bowling Green
Toledo
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Northern Illinois

MWC (10 schools)
San Diego State
Hawaii
Fresno State
Air Force
Wyoming
New Mexico
Colorado State
Utah State
UNLV
New Mexico State

So where does BYU, Army, Liberty, and UConn fit into all that???
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RE: Neuheisal and Childers discussed P5 and G5 conference relegation
(04-21-2021 06:01 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 04:27 PM)YNot Wrote:  The G5 should do it, with the annual NY6 bid going to the Premier Conference champion. To start off, place the five G5 champions and the next 9 best G5 schools in the 14-team Premier Conference. Divide into two divisions, based on geography.

While they're at it, realign the other G4 with better geography.

So, taking the 2020 G5 champs, the G5 schools that were ranked and receiving AP and/or Coaches Poll votes, and assuming that BYU and Army would stay independent (but that Liberty would not):

PREMIER G5 CONFERENCE (14 schools)
EAST
Cincinnati
Coastal Carolina
Ball State
Liberty
Buffalo
Marshall
Appalachian State

WEST
San Jose State
UAB
Tulsa
Memphis
Nevada
SMU
Boise State

AAC (12 schools)
EAST
Temple
ECU
UCF
USF
Old Dominion
Georgia State

WEST
Navy
Tulane
Houston
Rice
Southern Miss
UTSA

CUSA (14 schools)
EAST
Charlotte
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Georgia Southern
Troy

WEST
Louisiana Tech
North Texas
UTEP
Texas State
Arkansas State
UL Monroe
South Alabama

MAC (10 schools)
Kent State
Miami(OH)
Ohio
Akron
Bowling Green
Toledo
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Northern Illinois

MWC (10 schools)
San Diego State
Hawaii
Fresno State
Air Force
Wyoming
New Mexico
Colorado State
Utah State
UNLV
New Mexico State

So where does BYU, Army, Liberty, and UConn fit into all that???

I assume that BYU and Army would choose to remain independent. Completely forgot about UConn and UMass. Oops. Add them to the MAC....
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RE: Neuheisal and Childers discussed P5 and G5 conference relegation
(04-21-2021 06:34 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 06:01 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 04:27 PM)YNot Wrote:  The G5 should do it, with the annual NY6 bid going to the Premier Conference champion. To start off, place the five G5 champions and the next 9 best G5 schools in the 14-team Premier Conference. Divide into two divisions, based on geography.

While they're at it, realign the other G4 with better geography.

So, taking the 2020 G5 champs, the G5 schools that were ranked and receiving AP and/or Coaches Poll votes, and assuming that BYU and Army would stay independent (but that Liberty would not):

PREMIER G5 CONFERENCE (14 schools)
EAST
Cincinnati
Coastal Carolina
Ball State
Liberty
Buffalo
Marshall
Appalachian State

WEST
San Jose State
UAB
Tulsa
Memphis
Nevada
SMU
Boise State

AAC (12 schools)
EAST
Temple
ECU
UCF
USF
Old Dominion
Georgia State

WEST
Navy
Tulane
Houston
Rice
Southern Miss
UTSA

CUSA (14 schools)
EAST
Charlotte
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Georgia Southern
Troy

WEST
Louisiana Tech
North Texas
UTEP
Texas State
Arkansas State
UL Monroe
South Alabama

MAC (10 schools)
Kent State
Miami(OH)
Ohio
Akron
Bowling Green
Toledo
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Northern Illinois

MWC (10 schools)
San Diego State
Hawaii
Fresno State
Air Force
Wyoming
New Mexico
Colorado State
Utah State
UNLV
New Mexico State

So where does BYU, Army, Liberty, and UConn fit into all that???

I assume that BYU and Army would choose to remain independent. Completely forgot about UConn and UMass. Oops. Add them to the MAC....

Why would you assume that about UConn, and Liberty (not UMass), and not about BYU and Army?
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Vandy is not spending money on FB because they have done the math and its a bad roi for them. They are never going to win a SEC title and they know it.
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(04-21-2021 11:56 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Getting promoted then eventually regulated back down would be a death sentence for a G team. The moral hit to the fans would be huge.

Already experienced it. Not the way to go. The impermanency of the lowest level of the relegation system would make planning and budgetary adjustments a headache. You'll be spending more to tread water. While being one bad coaching hire away from a death sentence for the FB program and athletic department.
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(04-21-2021 02:04 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  Even though it would be between two G5 conferences it would

1. Cause a lot of interest and excitement
2. Get tremendous publicity
3. Cause sports writers to ask "Why not P5?"
4. Possibly raise schools that are willing to make commitments

Suppose a school had income of $1 million per year is suddenly receiving $7 million per year. Its AD might say "this is great and we are not going to be relegated down". The school starts upgrading facilities and paying their coaches more. The school that was relegated down is no longer a drag on its old conference and that conference has a dynamic new member. You are forming the "Best of The Rest" conferences.

There are still going to be losing teams even in a 'best of the rest' conference.
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"Dude. You have no idea"

The AAC has more money sources than the ESPN contract. For one,
NCAAT credits will increase next year. They will increase slightly in
the MWC. They will not increase in other G5 conferences. Then, there is
NY6 money and other bowls. Of course the $10 million is only a guess.
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There are a lot of reasons why this makes sense and creates an environment where success is earned on of the field instead of given. No SEC bottom dweller would ever want to lose their millions they are guaranteed even if they suck.

This is why I love soccer. Thank god the super league failed miserably
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To borrow from Frank the Tank, this is one time where you have to think like a college president. They are all generally collegial. Disruptiveness of kicking somebody out of 'the club' would have to be worth a whole lot for the presidents to start stabbing each other in the back with their athletic departments. Not. Going. To. Happen.
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I love the concept but it will never happen. For relegation to happen in college football, FBS would have to separate from all other sports regarding conference affiliations. Which is why it will never happen IMO. In addition, FBS would then have to negotiate new TV contacts for just football, and establish a payout system for all the teams depending on what division/level they are in. The current conferences would then have negotiate new TV for all the other sports sans football. Unless you can show the Presidents there is considerably more $$$$ for this system, it has a snowballs chance in H-E-Double Hockey Sticks of ever happening.

More likely the P5 breakaway from the G5, and just keeps the money for themselves.
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These ideas are a joke. We don't need new leagues. The subject program discussion was a simple plan that relegated the last place school from each power conference to G status & elevated the most worthy G status program within that power conference area. The logic is to recognize the investment & success of the elevated G status school & the lack of investment being made by the power school being relegated. The relegation was discussed as by major sport, meaning it could relegate/promote a football program separate from a basketball program. Kansas was discussed as an example of a P-5 football program that would be relegated while the Kansas BB program would maintain its P-level. The whole motivation of this approach was discussed as an incentive for programs to maintain/improve or face relegation. And just as important to help increase public interest in college sports but adding new, competitive blood.
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(04-22-2021 12:19 AM)Aztec Since 88 Wrote:  I love the concept but it will never happen. For relegation to happen in college football, FBS would have to separate from all other sports regarding conference affiliations. Which is why it will never happen IMO.

It certainly seems that way, but the fact that they mentioned this as a kind of thought experiment is an important recognition of the fact that - - rather than growing ever weaker than the P5 programs (as some had once predicted they would) - - the P5 FB programs have been growing stronger and stronger since the P5-G5 split.

Neuheisal and Childers aren't lightweights, and they must have realized how unlikely it is that these kinds of relegations would ever come to pass, so the question is - - why did they propose the idea as a possibility?

At the very least, it's an indication of a growing recognition of the importance of non-P5 FBS football.


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(04-21-2021 04:27 PM)YNot Wrote:  The G5 should do it, with the annual NY6 bid going to the Premier Conference champion. To start off, place the five G5 champions and the next 9 best G5 schools in the 14-team Premier Conference. Divide into two divisions, based on geography.

While they're at it, realign the other G4 with better geography.

So, taking the 2020 G5 champs, the G5 schools that were ranked and receiving AP and/or Coaches Poll votes, and assuming that BYU and Army would stay independent (but that Liberty would not):

PREMIER G5 CONFERENCE (14 schools)
EAST
Cincinnati
Coastal Carolina
Ball State
Liberty
Buffalo
Marshall
Appalachian State

WEST
San Jose State
UAB
Tulsa
Memphis
Nevada
SMU
Boise State

AAC (12 schools)
EAST
Temple
ECU
UCF
USF
Old Dominion
Georgia State

WEST
Navy
Tulane
Houston
Rice
Southern Miss
UTSA

CUSA (14 schools)
EAST
Charlotte
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Georgia Southern
Troy

WEST
Louisiana Tech
North Texas
UTEP
Texas State
Arkansas State
UL Monroe
South Alabama

MAC (10 schools)
Kent State
Miami(OH)
Ohio
Akron
Bowling Green
Toledo
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Northern Illinois

MWC (10 schools)
San Diego State
Hawaii
Fresno State
Air Force
Wyoming
New Mexico
Colorado State
Utah State
UNLV
New Mexico State

No thanks. Your placing of Cincinnati in a "premier" G5 conference divison with such football powerhouses as Ball State, Appalachian State, Liberty, Marshall, Buffalo, and Coastal Carolina suggests you've already relegated UC to athletic obscurity. And then there's basketball...

What were you thinking? What were you drinking?
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