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RE: John Newman III, Clemson transfer guard, commits to Cincinnati Bearcats
(04-21-2021 03:25 PM)KenyonFartin Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 02:57 PM)Helicopter Wrote:  
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(04-21-2021 01:44 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  We've had a lot of big guys over the years do a lot less than Vogt did for us. A lot depends upon how you view the injury situation and that goes for both Vogt and Newman.

I can’t recall a guy who got as many starting minutes for the better part of 2 years who did less things even adequately at this level. Not a knock. He’s working with what the good lord gave him.

I watched him play 6-7 games in person in 2018-19 at NKU..at no point did I ever think he was an AAC level starter. I get why he came here but he’s a guy who would have done well to stay in the smaller pond that I expect he’ll be moving back to next year for his super senior season. I thank him for his time and wish him the best.

Adam Hrycaniuk started every game for a season, and he couldn't consistenly make a layup.

Adam H and Cheik Modj are two of the most frustrating players I have ever seen in my life.

Checkh Mbodji was an excellent defensive big. He was worse than Vogt on offense, but he was a totally serviceable center as long as he wasn't asked to score.

Frustrating in the sense he had a bum ankle. If it ever healed right he would have been a great defensive player instead of a very good one.

Adam H was frustrating because he couldn't make a layup.
 
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RE: John Newman III, Clemson transfer guard, commits to Cincinnati Bearcats
(04-21-2021 07:41 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 03:25 PM)KenyonFartin Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 02:57 PM)Helicopter Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 02:45 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 02:29 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I can’t recall a guy who got as many starting minutes for the better part of 2 years who did less things even adequately at this level. Not a knock. He’s working with what the good lord gave him.

I watched him play 6-7 games in person in 2018-19 at NKU..at no point did I ever think he was an AAC level starter. I get why he came here but he’s a guy who would have done well to stay in the smaller pond that I expect he’ll be moving back to next year for his super senior season. I thank him for his time and wish him the best.

Adam Hrycaniuk started every game for a season, and he couldn't consistenly make a layup.

Adam H and Cheik Modj are two of the most frustrating players I have ever seen in my life.

Checkh Mbodji was an excellent defensive big. He was worse than Vogt on offense, but he was a totally serviceable center as long as he wasn't asked to score.

I’d take a Mbodj as a senior on my team all day every day.

Such short memories...Mbodj was a very good starting center by the end of his second year here. Above average rebounder, decent FT shooter for a big, and a borderline elite shot contester at the rim.
 
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RE: John Newman III, Clemson transfer guard, commits to Cincinnati Bearcats
(04-22-2021 09:40 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 07:41 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 03:25 PM)KenyonFartin Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 02:57 PM)Helicopter Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 02:45 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  Adam Hrycaniuk started every game for a season, and he couldn't consistenly make a layup.

Adam H and Cheik Modj are two of the most frustrating players I have ever seen in my life.

Checkh Mbodji was an excellent defensive big. He was worse than Vogt on offense, but he was a totally serviceable center as long as he wasn't asked to score.

I’d take a Mbodj as a senior on my team all day every day.

Such short memories...Mbodj was a very good starting center by the end of his second year here. Above average rebounder, decent FT shooter for a big, and a borderline elite shot contester at the rim.

Nothing borderline about it. He was an elite shot blocker/contester. People remember he was limited offensively but he was reasonably efficient because he played within himself.
 
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RE: John Newman III, Clemson transfer guard, commits to Cincinnati Bearcats
(04-22-2021 09:40 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 07:41 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 03:25 PM)KenyonFartin Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 02:57 PM)Helicopter Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 02:45 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  Adam Hrycaniuk started every game for a season, and he couldn't consistenly make a layup.

Adam H and Cheik Modj are two of the most frustrating players I have ever seen in my life.

Checkh Mbodji was an excellent defensive big. He was worse than Vogt on offense, but he was a totally serviceable center as long as he wasn't asked to score.

I’d take a Mbodj as a senior on my team all day every day.

Such short memories...Mbodj was a very good starting center by the end of his second year here. Above average rebounder, decent FT shooter for a big, and a borderline elite shot contester at the rim.

Tbh, I may be combining Ibrahima Thomas and Checkh Mbodj into the same player.
 
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RE: John Newman III, Clemson transfer guard, commits to Cincinnati Bearcats
(04-22-2021 10:59 AM)Helicopter Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 09:40 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 07:41 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 03:25 PM)KenyonFartin Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 02:57 PM)Helicopter Wrote:  Adam H and Cheik Modj are two of the most frustrating players I have ever seen in my life.

Checkh Mbodji was an excellent defensive big. He was worse than Vogt on offense, but he was a totally serviceable center as long as he wasn't asked to score.

I’d take a Mbodj as a senior on my team all day every day.

Such short memories...Mbodj was a very good starting center by the end of his second year here. Above average rebounder, decent FT shooter for a big, and a borderline elite shot contester at the rim.

Tbh, I may be combining Ibrahima Thomas and Checkh Mbodj into the same player.

Yes Ibrahima Thomas was kind of frustrating. Big athletic guy who inexplicably spent way too much time hanging around the 3-point line iirc.
 
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RE: John Newman III, Clemson transfer guard, commits to Cincinnati Bearcats
(04-22-2021 09:43 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 09:40 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 07:41 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 03:25 PM)KenyonFartin Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 02:57 PM)Helicopter Wrote:  Adam H and Cheik Modj are two of the most frustrating players I have ever seen in my life.

Checkh Mbodji was an excellent defensive big. He was worse than Vogt on offense, but he was a totally serviceable center as long as he wasn't asked to score.

I’d take a Mbodj as a senior on my team all day every day.

Such short memories...Mbodj was a very good starting center by the end of his second year here. Above average rebounder, decent FT shooter for a big, and a borderline elite shot contester at the rim.

Nothing borderline about it. He was an elite shot blocker/contester. People remember he was limited offensively but he was reasonably efficient because he played within himself.

He was great. Kind of guy you hate only having for 2 years after JUCO since the 1st year they spend so much time just trying to figure it out at this level. He made a big jump from his 1st to 2nd year.
 
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RE: John Newman III, Clemson transfer guard, commits to Cincinnati Bearcats
(04-22-2021 11:13 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 09:43 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 09:40 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 07:41 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 03:25 PM)KenyonFartin Wrote:  Checkh Mbodji was an excellent defensive big. He was worse than Vogt on offense, but he was a totally serviceable center as long as he wasn't asked to score.

I’d take a Mbodj as a senior on my team all day every day.

Such short memories...Mbodj was a very good starting center by the end of his second year here. Above average rebounder, decent FT shooter for a big, and a borderline elite shot contester at the rim.

Nothing borderline about it. He was an elite shot blocker/contester. People remember he was limited offensively but he was reasonably efficient because he played within himself.

He was great. Kind of guy you hate only having for 2 years after JUCO since the 1st year they spend so much time just trying to figure it out at this level. He made a big jump from his 1st to 2nd year.

This comment makes me think of Correante DeBerry, who was immediately the strongest player in the program, but took the better part of a year and a half to figure out how to use that strength to consistently win post position. Once the light came on, though, he was very good, and improving every game. I feel like he would have broken out pretty big if he'd just had another year of eligibility.
 
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RE: John Newman III, Clemson transfer guard, commits to Cincinnati Bearcats
(04-22-2021 11:21 AM)KenyonFartin Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 11:13 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 09:43 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 09:40 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(04-21-2021 07:41 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I’d take a Mbodj as a senior on my team all day every day.

Such short memories...Mbodj was a very good starting center by the end of his second year here. Above average rebounder, decent FT shooter for a big, and a borderline elite shot contester at the rim.

Nothing borderline about it. He was an elite shot blocker/contester. People remember he was limited offensively but he was reasonably efficient because he played within himself.

He was great. Kind of guy you hate only having for 2 years after JUCO since the 1st year they spend so much time just trying to figure it out at this level. He made a big jump from his 1st to 2nd year.

This comment makes me think of Correante DeBerry, who was immediately the strongest player in the program, but took the better part of a year and a half to figure out how to use that strength to consistently win post position. Once the light came on, though, he was very good, and improving every game. I feel like he would have broken out pretty big if he'd just had another year of eligibility.

Deberry was probably the best depth big we've had in a long time. Didn't see a ton of minutes, but when he did get in, you knew he was good for at least a bucket or two and a couple rebounds on every shift. Not as good as Mbodj defensively, but man, that St. Joes game his senior year really made you wonder what he could've been with another year.

Unsurprisingly both have put up around 10/6 lines throughout their professional careers in Europe (Deberry mostly in Germany and Portugal and Mbodj in France, Italy, and Poland).
 
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My season ticket partner and I had a running joke where we'd always refer to deberry as the "best player in America". He seemed to do good things every time he was on the floor.
 
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(04-22-2021 11:48 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  My season ticket partner and I had a running joke where we'd always refer to deberry as the "best player in America". He seemed to do good things every time he was on the floor.

My favorite memory of DeBerry was his performance in OT against Purdue in the NCAA tourney. For about 60 seconds in overtime he was magical.
 
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(04-22-2021 11:48 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  My season ticket partner and I had a running joke where we'd always refer to deberry as the "best player in America". He seemed to do good things every time he was on the floor.

My favorite memory of DeBerry was his performance in OT against Purdue in the NCAA tourney. For about 60 seconds in overtime he was magical.

He really did give us something special off the bench.

It's nuts to think about, but for his career he has a 116 ORTG and a 92 DRTG, and his senior year that ORTG was 124. Those are nutty numbers, and yes, I realize part of it is down to sample size, but still...good things happened when he was on the court.
 
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This might be the year for a 47 year old walk-on with all his eligibility left. I don't mind being put in as a human victory cigar at the end of games.
 
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As he's the first Miller commitment, let me just say...

...Hello... NEWMAN!
 
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(04-22-2021 03:09 PM)Ring of Black Wrote:  As he's the first Miller commitment, let me just say...

...Hello... NEWMAN!


...Hello... Jerry.
 
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(04-22-2021 12:03 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 11:58 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  
(04-22-2021 11:48 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  My season ticket partner and I had a running joke where we'd always refer to deberry as the "best player in America". He seemed to do good things every time he was on the floor.

My favorite memory of DeBerry was his performance in OT against Purdue in the NCAA tourney. For about 60 seconds in overtime he was magical.

He really did give us something special off the bench.

It's nuts to think about, but for his career he has a 116 ORTG and a 92 DRTG, and his senior year that ORTG was 124. Those are nutty numbers, and yes, I realize part of it is down to sample size, but still...good things happened when he was on the court.

I always thought DeBerry should have played more, although I understand why it was tough to get him on the floor. He was stuck behind Ellis and Clark, and Mick was trying to get Quadri Moore some floor time to develop.
 
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