(04-18-2021 03:53 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  Combine this insult with what happened in the CAA tourney in basketball and the JMU administration HAS to do something now. I wanted out of the CAA back in the 90s and there has always been some nonsense loyalty because of Dean Ehlers helping to get the league started. Meanwhile lesser programs have come and gone onto greener pastures. It just makes JMU look foolish and unambitious to be any better.

Completely agree. I was thinking that the admin have to (should) be livid after the way we were screwed in the MBB tourney followed by the football **** show

(04-18-2021 03:53 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  Combine this insult with what happened in the CAA tourney in basketball and the JMU administration HAS to do something now. I wanted out of the CAA back in the 90s and there has always been some nonsense loyalty because of Dean Ehlers helping to get the league started. Meanwhile lesser programs have come and gone onto greener pastures. It just makes JMU look foolish and unambitious to be any better.

Exactly. JMU has the facilities, fans and big time atmosphere. Great college town too. Cut the CAA cord!

I don't understand all the CAA angst on this one. The 5 valley teams in the bracket thing is inexcusable and does not represent FCS well at all, but not sure why everybody is dogging the conference because of the playoff selections. There really weren't any other CAA teams worth choosing for the bracket. Delaware was the conference winner by default of winning the most CAA games. Besides us, hardly any other team had enough wins to be eligible. And anybody who feels bad that Richmond didn't get a nod isn't a true JMU fan.

(04-18-2021 04:34 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(04-18-2021 10:20 AM)South Main Wrote:  Y'all surprised? We're in a joke of a Conference. Can we just go Indy in football and move all sports out already..

I don't follow anything fcs outside of JMU and once in a while, NDSU so maybe I am wrong, I hope I am wrong.

I see Davidson in the playoffs, did not know Davidson has a football team so I looked and found that Davidson does not offer football scholarships.

I like any Davidson vs. Goliath story but a league with no scholarships getting an AQ in the fcs playoffs...

1969 Tangerine Bowl participant (now called the Citrus Bowl)

Beat Toledo from the MAC.

(04-18-2021 09:08 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  I don't understand all the CAA angst on this one. The 5 valley teams in the bracket thing is inexcusable and does not represent FCS well at all, but not sure why everybody is dogging the conference because of the playoff selections. There really weren't any other CAA teams worth choosing for the bracket. Delaware was the conference winner by default of winning the most CAA games. Besides us, hardly any other team had enough wins to be eligible. And anybody who feels bad that Richmond didn't get a nod isn't a true JMU fan.

If I were a Tick fan, and I definitely am not, I would be very pissed that 3-loss SIU made the field while the Ticks watch the playoffs from their living rooms.

Richmond played four games and two of them were Elon who was a last second TD away from losing to non-scholarship Davidson at home. Elon was also beaten handily by non-playoff participant Gardner Webb 42-20. There resume sucked.

The MVC teams played far more games than the four UR played. UR had a chance to qualify Saturday and was beaten by 17 at JMU and it could have been worse. UR didn’t belong in the playoffs.

JMU doesn’t have a quality win this season. Maybe we a good but I have nothing to prove so until we play somebody who is good.

(04-18-2021 09:17 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(04-18-2021 09:08 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  I don't understand all the CAA angst on this one. The 5 valley teams in the bracket thing is inexcusable and does not represent FCS well at all, but not sure why everybody is dogging the conference because of the playoff selections. There really weren't any other CAA teams worth choosing for the bracket. Delaware was the conference winner by default of winning the most CAA games. Besides us, hardly any other team had enough wins to be eligible. And anybody who feels bad that Richmond didn't get a nod isn't a true JMU fan.

If I were a Tick fan, and I definitely am not, I would be very pissed that 3-loss SIU made the field while the Ticks watch the playoffs from their living rooms.

Or 4 loss Missouri State who coincidentally has a member on the committee.

(04-18-2021 09:26 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Richmond played four games and two of them were Elon who was a last second TD away from losing to non-scholarship Davidson at home. Elon was also beaten handily by non-playoff participant Gardner Webb 42-20. There resume sucked.

The MVC teams played far more games than the four UR played. UR had a chance to qualify Saturday and was beaten by 17 at JMU and it could have been worse. UR didn’t belong in the playoffs.

JMU doesn’t have a quality win this season. Maybe we a good but I have nothing to prove so until we play somebody who is good.

Richmond was good. They held us to 3.5 yards per tote, forcing Cole to go to the air. Cole responded like a champ. But, Richmond is a good football team. They are not Morehead State.

Man, spell check messed up my post. Maybe we are good but I have nothing to prove so until we play someone who is good.

Maybe UR is good but their resume is too short to prove so. They should have played more games.

The conference certainly isn't trying to keep JMU happy, that's for sure.
Which says a few things:
1. The conference knows JMU's intentions and isn't going to kiss their @ss. Or..
2. The conference doesn't care if JMU stays or goes.

Either way, the love affair with the CAA and JMU is done. And I'm okay with that. If anything, the more of this that happens, the more likely JMU will bolt for the FBS. If the CAA were making concessions to JMU, that would say to me that the CAA still thinks it change JMU's mind about it's future. But it appears the CAA knows the writing is on the wall and its just a matter of time before JMU leaves. So why do anything to help them?
So until JMU leaves, the CAA is going to take advantage of JMU. Use their assets and fan base to generate revenue. Cannot prevent JMU from winning, so take credit for it.
Makes sense to me. There's no way to spin this that results in JMU is "CAA4Lyfe". The CAA is treating JMU like garbage and the admin would be stupid to make the decision to just stay fat and happy in the CAA while the CAA is taking the food away.

The all-sports CAA has too many basketball schools with no interest in football. They will never do JMU any favors.

(04-19-2021 07:19 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  The conference certainly isn't trying to keep JMU happy, that's for sure.
Which says a few things:
1. The conference knows JMU's intentions and isn't going to kiss their @ss. Or..
2. The conference doesn't care if JMU stays or goes.

Either way, the love affair with the CAA and JMU is done. And I'm okay with that. If anything, the more of this that happens, the more likely JMU will bolt for the FBS. If the CAA were making concessions to JMU, that would say to me that the CAA still thinks it change JMU's mind about it's future. But it appears the CAA knows the writing is on the wall and its just a matter of time before JMU leaves. So why do anything to help them?
So until JMU leaves, the CAA is going to take advantage of JMU. Use their assets and fan base to generate revenue. Cannot prevent JMU from winning, so take credit for it.
Makes sense to me. There's no way to spin this that results in JMU is "CAA4Lyfe". The CAA is treating JMU like garbage and the admin would be stupid to make the decision to just stay fat and happy in the CAA while the CAA is taking the food away.

Ok. What am I missing here? I am not fan of the CAA, especially without RU,Oduh,Mason, VCU etc and have publicly shared my desire for JMU to play fbs football. That said, what has happened now to make folks sick of the CAA? The refs blowing a call in the the mbb tourney and the fact UD won more games and was named league AQ in football? Is there something else I am missing? Most of us do not really like Flo and Joey bag of donuts as commish. Is there something else?

(04-18-2021 03:53 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  Combine this insult with what happened in the CAA tourney in basketball and the JMU administration HAS to do something now. I wanted out of the CAA back in the 90s and there has always been some nonsense loyalty because of Dean Ehlers helping to get the league started. Meanwhile lesser programs have come and gone onto greener pastures. It just makes JMU look foolish and unambitious to be any better.

I agree 100%. Why is it that JMU feels they have to show loyalty to the CAA when no one else does and the CAA clearly does not value JMU as a member.

This is NOT the CAA that was a Virginia based league for football and all sports....the CAA has morphed into a Northeast league led by a former Big East flunkie.

I am not at all interested in staying in a conference that clearly does not value JMU as a member.

In the last year or so:
- The CAA rigged this football outcome with the schedule they gave us and then penalize JMU for being undefeated with the schedule they gave us.
- The CAA did not lift a finger to get games rescheduled or assist JMU finding games when teams were pretty obviously ducking playing JMU.
- Richmond only decided to play JMU when it was clear that was no other option and they had to have one more conference game (and JMU being the good conference mate says sure we will play)
- Then JMU loses a popularity vote for conference champ with a rigged system with more CAA North schools in a secret vote. This vote has note been shared and how individual schools voted. Last I heard, to be the man/champ you actually have to beat the existing champ on the field of play.
- The FloTV crap deal that only hurts JMU (we have no peers in the CAA in production quality)
- The men's bball fiasco with an apology after the fact.

Jeff Bourne and JMU Athletics should be proactively looking for an exit plan, be it FBS or FCS at season's end. I would happily take a lateral FCS move to the Big South or SOCON for all sports. For all sports what rivalry do we lose W&M oh well....this is not the CAA that had GMU/ODU/VCU/Richmond for all sports (yes i know GMU and VCU does not play football) We can just as easily schedule these guys as OOC games in any sports like we do today and we can rotate UR and W&M for football like UVA does for a quality big time CAA OOC football game.

Think about it how big is CAA football without JMU, it would sorta be like MVFC football without NDSU. We would immediately elevate any FCS conference we would move to for football and it would be a HUGE minus for the CAA, of well F'em we don't owe the CAA one damn thing.

(04-18-2021 07:03 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(04-18-2021 03:53 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  Combine this insult with what happened in the CAA tourney in basketball and the JMU administration HAS to do something now. I wanted out of the CAA back in the 90s and there has always been some nonsense loyalty because of Dean Ehlers helping to get the league started. Meanwhile lesser programs have come and gone onto greener pastures. It just makes JMU look foolish and unambitious to be any better.

Completely agree. I was thinking that the admin have to (should) be livid after the way we were screwed in the MBB tourney followed by the football **** show

It shows that after the Bball crap the CAA simply does not care about showing openly they don't care about JMU. The CAA feels like they can simply do whatever they want to and JMU will just take it and accept it. Enough is Enough.....anywhere except the CAA for me.

(04-19-2021 08:23 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-18-2021 03:53 PM)JacksonHall Wrote:  Combine this insult with what happened in the CAA tourney in basketball and the JMU administration HAS to do something now. I wanted out of the CAA back in the 90s and there has always been some nonsense loyalty because of Dean Ehlers helping to get the league started. Meanwhile lesser programs have come and gone onto greener pastures. It just makes JMU look foolish and unambitious to be any better.

I agree 100%. Why is it that JMU feels they have to show loyalty to the CAA when no one else does and the CAA clearly does not value JMU as a member.

This is NOT the CAA that was a Virginia based league for football and all sports....the CAA has morphed into a Northeast league led by a former Big East flunkie.

I am not at all interested in staying in a conference that clearly does not value JMU as a member.

In the last year or so:
- The CAA rigged this football outcome with the schedule they gave us and then penalize JMU for being undefeated with the schedule they gave us.
- The CAA did not lift a finger to get games rescheduled or assist JMU finding games when teams were pretty obviously ducking playing JMU.
- Richmond only decided to play JMU when it was clear that was no other option and they had to have one more conference game (and JMU being the good conference mate says sure we will play)
- Then JMU loses a popularity vote for conference champ with a rigged system with more CAA North schools in a secret vote. This vote has note been shared and how individual schools voted. Last I heard, to be the man/champ you actually have to beat the existing champ on the field of play.
- The FloTV crap deal that only hurts JMU (we have no peers in the CAA in production quality)
- The men's bball fiasco with an apology after the fact.

Jeff Bourne and JMU Athletics should be proactively looking for an exit plan, be it FBS or FCS at season's end. I would happily take a lateral FCS move to the Big South or SOCON for all sports. For all sports what rivalry do we lose W&M oh well....this is not the CAA that had GMU/ODU/VCU/Richmond for all sports (yes i know GMU and VCU does not play football) We can just as easily schedule these guys as OOC games in any sports like we do today and we can rotate UR and W&M for football like UVA does for a quality big time CAA OOC football game.

Think about it how big is CAA football without JMU, it would sorta be like MVFC football without NDSU. We would immediately elevate any FCS conference we would move to for football and it would be a HUGE minus for the CAA, of well F'em we don't owe the CAA one damn thing.

Agree with many of these points on the current football season.

The big one for me is scheduling, and playing games committed to.
The appeal to me for CAA football is playing UD, Nova, UNH, Maine, RU
W&M is an ok game, but nothing that special. You could sub SoCon or BigSouth teams for the rest of the conference and it wouldn’t feel that different to me.

It seems none of these schools really want to play us though. The north teams found a way to not schedule us, and RU tried to duck us as well.

When the conference schedule consists of Elon, W&M and RU grudgingly playing thats not a good conference setup for us. The split division was good for some of the north teams but horrible for us.

It looks like the schedule will go back to normal for fall, and I hope it will. But the Spring was a total **** show by the CAA. I’m a bit concerned about the possibility of schools bailing out of fall also if they get losing records, that was a very bad precedent. The second bad precedent was not committing to a set of rules for title tiebreakers, and just using AD votes to declare a champ.

I’m not sure any other FCS conference would feel much better. ASun is interesting, just because that group of schools seem more committed to advancing their programs and moving towards FBS.

(04-18-2021 09:26 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Richmond played four games and two of them were Elon who was a last second TD away from losing to non-scholarship Davidson at home. Elon was also beaten handily by non-playoff participant Gardner Webb 42-20. There resume sucked.

The MVC teams played far more games than the four UR played. UR had a chance to qualify Saturday and was beaten by 17 at JMU and it could have been worse. UR didn’t belong in the playoffs.

JMU doesn’t have a quality win this season. Maybe we a good but I have nothing to prove so until we play somebody who is good.

(04-18-2021 10:47 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Man, spell check messed up my post. Maybe we are good but I have nothing to prove so until we play someone who is good.

Maybe UR is good but their resume is too short to prove so. They should have played more games.

I agree and will note your points are some of the reasons why JMU was not the CAA AQ and was not a top 2 seed.

Elon did NOT have a lead at anypoint in their CAA games against UR (twice) or W&M. Not only did they not lead in those 3 games, they were down multiple possessions within ~10 minutes of kickoff on average. They led JMU for 90% of the game.

JMU had 2 bad wins (Elon and RMU), 2 non-impact wins (Morehead and W&M) and an unknown win (Richmond).

Yes, the CAA AQ and conference winner determination PROCESS was dumb, but the IMPLEMENTATION/OUTCOME of it was right.

(04-19-2021 10:05 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  JMU had 2 bad wins (Elon and RMU), 2 non-impact wins (Morehead and W&M) and an unknown win (Richmond).

Yes, the CAA AQ and conference winner determination PROCESS was dumb, but the IMPLEMENTATION/OUTCOME of it was right.

My beefs with it are not who was declared the winner, but far before that.

JMU was handed a scenario where we had no path the win the CAA title, regardless of our performance on the field.

Scheduling impacted that, teams refusing to play/reschedule was a factor, the ADs deciding there are no fixed rules and they would just Vote was also wrong.

(04-19-2021 07:46 AM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 07:19 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  The conference certainly isn't trying to keep JMU happy, that's for sure.
Which says a few things:
1. The conference knows JMU's intentions and isn't going to kiss their @ss. Or..
2. The conference doesn't care if JMU stays or goes.

Either way, the love affair with the CAA and JMU is done. And I'm okay with that. If anything, the more of this that happens, the more likely JMU will bolt for the FBS. If the CAA were making concessions to JMU, that would say to me that the CAA still thinks it change JMU's mind about it's future. But it appears the CAA knows the writing is on the wall and its just a matter of time before JMU leaves. So why do anything to help them?
So until JMU leaves, the CAA is going to take advantage of JMU. Use their assets and fan base to generate revenue. Cannot prevent JMU from winning, so take credit for it.
Makes sense to me. There's no way to spin this that results in JMU is "CAA4Lyfe". The CAA is treating JMU like garbage and the admin would be stupid to make the decision to just stay fat and happy in the CAA while the CAA is taking the food away.

Ok. What am I missing here? I am not fan of the CAA, especially without RU,Oduh,Mason, VCU etc and have publicly shared my desire for JMU to play fbs football. That said, what has happened now to make folks sick of the CAA? The refs blowing a call in the the mbb tourney and the fact UD won more games and was named league AQ in football? Is there something else I am missing? Most of us do not really like Flo and Joey bag of donuts as commish. Is there something else?

+1. I will not defend the CAA, but I don't understand what people think the CAA owes JMU this week based on the football season.

(04-19-2021 10:51 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 10:05 AM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  JMU had 2 bad wins (Elon and RMU), 2 non-impact wins (Morehead and W&M) and an unknown win (Richmond).

Yes, the CAA AQ and conference winner determination PROCESS was dumb, but the IMPLEMENTATION/OUTCOME of it was right.

My beefs with it are not who was declared the winner, but far before that.

JMU was handed a scenario where we had no path the win the CAA title, regardless of our performance on the field.

Scheduling impacted that, teams refusing to play/reschedule was a factor, the ADs deciding there are no fixed rules and they would just Vote was also wrong.

Bold - I absolutely get.
Underline - I disagree. From a scheduling perspective, we should have had 3 more games and could have been 6-0 in conference play, instead of 3-0. A couple more victories, irregardless of the opponent, would have helped. Then, we went out there and sh!t the bed against Elon. W&M and Richmond looked MUCH better against Elon than we did. JMU could have easily won the AQ with how things were planned before the season started. COVID and bad performances on the field were both responsible.