(04-19-2021 11:16 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  I was curious whether ESPN had different television strategies for comparable teams from different conferences. Records and # of rated national TV games over the past 4 years:
NC State 29-19; 9 rated national TV games
Kentucky 30-20; 4 games
Virginia 28-22; 7 games

Season Week Viewers (M) Team A (away) Team B (home)
2018 W10 4.392 UGA UK
2019 W3 3.140 UF UK
2019 W14 2.840 VT UVA
2017 W10 2.831 Clem NCSt
2019 W11 2.710 Clem NCSt
2017 W13 2.144 VT UVA
2020 W10 1.870 Mia NCSt
2017 W6 1.549 Lou NCSt
2018 W10 1.359 Pitt UVA
2018 W10 1.347 FSU NCSt
2018 W4 1.219 MsSt UK
2018 W7 0.870 Mia UVA
2018 W11 0.744 Wake NCSt
2019 W7 0.714 Syr NCSt
2019 W4 0.414 ODU UVA
2017 W2 0.358 Ind UVA
2018 W1 0.327 CMU UK
2017 W3 0.286 UConn UVA
2017 W13 0.271 UNC NCSt
2018 W1 0.241 JMU NCSt

It appears that in the SEC, even a good Kentucky team does not get a lot of national television exposure. Kentucky's media rankings (37 out of 65 P5 programs) are middle of the road...partly because ESPN minimizes the number of games televised nationally from Commonwealth Stadium. The visits by UGA and Florida are the marquee television events.

NC State and UVA each have 4 nationally televised with less than 1 million viewers. They average one national game per season each with bad ratings.

During the past 4 years, Kentucky only has one nationally televised game (2018 W1 versus CMU) with poor ratings. The SEC has enough strong television content, in order to minimize weakly rated national UK TV games.

Given 2020 was a pandemic year, ESPN and ACC/SEC probably didn't hold each other accountable for minimums in national games. No national games were televised out of Commonwealth Stadium or Scott Stadium (Carter-Finley Stadium had only one national game...versus bell cow Miami Hurricanes).

Commonwealth is a dump. You can’t blame ESPN, The SEC Network or anyone else for not wanting to travel to a s hit burg like Lexington to broadcast a game from The Aluminum Mausoleum.

(04-14-2021 06:23 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  I tallied Sports Media Watch football viewership data for the past 4 years (2017-2020). Ranking each power 5 school by four criteria:
1) # viewers (home, away & neutral site games, including bowls)
2) average # viewers per game (home, away & neutral site games, including bowls)
3) # of viewers for home venue (what the conference sells as Media Rights)
4) average # viewers for home venue (what the conference sells as Media Rights)

In order of ACC media value:

Clemson (#9 P5 rank; 31% of viewership of ACC teams; 16% of ACC's T1 & T2 media rights viewership)
Miami (#18; 12%; 11%)
FSU (#19; 9%; 10%)
VT (#29; 7%; 7%)
Louisville (#30; 6%; 8%)
UNC (#39; 5%; 7%)
Pitt (#41; 5%; 5%)
GT (#42; 4%; 6%)
BC (#43; 4%; 6%)
Syracuse (#46; 4%; 4%)
UVA (#54; 4%; 3%)
Wake (#55; 4%; 4%)
NC State (#56; 4%; 4%)
Duke (#62; 3%; 2%)
ACC CCG (#4 amongst 5 P5; N/A; 8%)

The P5 schools ranked ahead of Clemson in terms of viewership are: Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, Notre Dame and Oklahoma.

The P5 schools ranked below Duke in terms of viewership are: Rutgers, Kansas and Oregon State.

Unfortunately, Tobacco Road is where football viewership struggles.

Zach Miller has posted an article "Which college football programs bring in the most TV viewers?

He logged 1,516 regular-season games with available viewership data from the five-year span of 2015-19 (left out 2020 for obvious reasons). That includes every televised game involving Notre Dame, BYU, Army or a team from the Big Ten, SEC, ACC, Big 12, Pac-12, AAC or Mountain West. He ranked every Power 5 team, plus Notre Dame and the eight schools most popularly mentioned as Big 12 expansion candidates. The numbers next to each school indicate the average number of viewers per week from 2015–19. Streaming numbers are included when available.

Here is his ACC Viewership (Your first column)

Clemson #9 (2.67M avg weekly viewers)
FSU #14 (2.23M avg weekly viewers)
Miami #23 (1.503M avg weekly viewers)
VT #31 (1.26M avg weekly viewers)
Louisville #31 (1.22M avg weekly viewers)
Pitt #42 (781K avg weekly viewers)
UNC #43 (749K avg weekly viewers)
NC State #47 (703K avg weekly viewers)
Syracuse #49 (694K avg weekly viewers)
GT #54 (615K avg weekly viewers)
UVA #57 (592K avg weekly viewers)
DUKE #65 (410K avg weekly viewers)
BC #67 (403K avg weekly viewers)
Wake #69 (398K avg weekly viewers)

ACC Partial mbr
Notre Dame #4 (3.61M avg weekly viewers)


So my question is where do you get your rankings for your first column? I would love to look at them.


Link
https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach...c03c689e50

(04-15-2021 04:22 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  No real surprises beyond Syracuse and NC State being lower than expected. Really surprised to see NC State behind Wake in the rankings.

Yeah....Cuse seems low...gotta see the source but we could be low since many of our games were on lower rated channels since we were only good in 2018

(08-16-2021 03:59 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 06:23 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  I tallied Sports Media Watch football viewership data for the past 4 years (2017-2020). Ranking each power 5 school by four criteria:
1) # viewers (home, away & neutral site games, including bowls)
2) average # viewers per game (home, away & neutral site games, including bowls)
3) # of viewers for home venue (what the conference sells as Media Rights)
4) average # viewers for home venue (what the conference sells as Media Rights)

In order of ACC media value:

Clemson (#9 P5 rank; 31% of viewership of ACC teams; 16% of ACC's T1 & T2 media rights viewership)
Miami (#18; 12%; 11%)
FSU (#19; 9%; 10%)
VT (#29; 7%; 7%)
Louisville (#30; 6%; 8%)
UNC (#39; 5%; 7%)
Pitt (#41; 5%; 5%)
GT (#42; 4%; 6%)
BC (#43; 4%; 6%)
Syracuse (#46; 4%; 4%)
UVA (#54; 4%; 3%)
Wake (#55; 4%; 4%)
NC State (#56; 4%; 4%)
Duke (#62; 3%; 2%)
ACC CCG (#4 amongst 5 P5; N/A; 8%)

The P5 schools ranked ahead of Clemson in terms of viewership are: Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, Notre Dame and Oklahoma.

The P5 schools ranked below Duke in terms of viewership are: Rutgers, Kansas and Oregon State.

Unfortunately, Tobacco Road is where football viewership struggles.

Zach Miller has posted an article "Which college football programs bring in the most TV viewers?

He logged 1,516 regular-season games with available viewership data from the five-year span of 2015-19 (left out 2020 for obvious reasons). That includes every televised game involving Notre Dame, BYU, Army or a team from the Big Ten, SEC, ACC, Big 12, Pac-12, AAC or Mountain West. He ranked every Power 5 team, plus Notre Dame and the eight schools most popularly mentioned as Big 12 expansion candidates. The numbers next to each school indicate the average number of viewers per week from 2015–19. Streaming numbers are included when available.

Here is his ACC Viewership (Your first column)

Clemson #9 (2.67M avg weekly viewers)
FSU #14 (2.23M avg weekly viewers)
Miami #23 (1.503M avg weekly viewers)
VT #31 (1.26M avg weekly viewers)
Louisville #31 (1.22M avg weekly viewers)
Pitt #42 (781K avg weekly viewers)
UNC #43 (749K avg weekly viewers)
NC State #47 (703K avg weekly viewers)
Syracuse #49 (694K avg weekly viewers)
GT #54 (615K avg weekly viewers)
UVA #57 (592K avg weekly viewers)
DUKE #65 (410K avg weekly viewers)
BC #67 (403K avg weekly viewers)
Wake #69 (398K avg weekly viewers)

ACC Partial mbr
Notre Dame #4 (3.61M avg weekly viewers)


So my question is where do you get your rankings for your first column? I would love to look at them.


Link
https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach...c03c689e50

Sports Media Watch (SMW) is the source for both analysis. SMW reports viewership on all rated games.

Some of the major differences in the methodologies used:
1) Zach Miller looked at 5 years of viewership…2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019; I looked at 4 years of viewership…2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020.
2) In stack ranking programs Zach Miller only considered regular season games, only ranked “avg viewers” data, reported the top 73 FBS programs and assumed zero viewers for non-rated games; I looked at “avg viewers” and “total viewers”, stack ranked only P5 teams, incorporated both regular & post-season and excluded non-rated games from the analysis.

Wahoo your methodology included James Madison playing at NC State - dog game.

Surprised Our disastrous 2020 year didn't pull Us down further. Wasn't even good for Basketball. So many games without key players with covid or injuries. Hope We are vastly improved this year. Looking forward for a rebound season.

(08-16-2021 06:03 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Wahoo your methodology included James Madison playing at NC State - dog game.

Lol. The Wolfpack scheduled the game and it was shown on national TV. JMU is happy for the payout and “exposure”. The fact that few people watched the game is not worth the complaint…it’s the reality on how NC State & the ACC are paid. IIRC, all games that are televised nationally are rated.

UVA’s opener this year is against W&M. Hopefully, it’s not picked-up by ESPN…and the ACCN may not be making their number public. UVA’s other OOC games will do better on TV (ND and Illini at home; BYU in Provo).

(04-17-2021 06:38 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-17-2021 05:31 AM)schmolik Wrote:  You're from Alabama. I usually don't get into football until baseball season's over or unless there's a big game early. I guess if you are the Carolina schools you are correct. But the Alabama's, Georgia's, etc should IMO have the big games late when both teams are something like 8-0. Last year Clemson and Notre Dame played in November and the ratings were huge. Sure, they would have gotten big ratings if the game was in September but it wouldn't have been the same if both teams were 0-0 or 1-0. I guess when I'm from a pro sports town baseball matters. Most of SEC/ACC territory doesn't have baseball teams.

College football is bigger here in Kentucky in September and October than November. UK fans have a tendency to stop following football in November once basketball starts more so than UofL fans.

Moving the UofL / Kentucky Governors Cup game to the last week of the season has helped increase interest in college football in November. Unfortunately weather in Kentucky is so hit and miss that attendance usually takes a hit.

Statefan once posted that attendance in Chapel Hill went down once basketball practice started......sound familiar.
Weather is a huge factor too.
Kenan used to be a comfortable stadium before the new press box was built.
My seats are on the South side. The press box blocks out all of the sun in November and it can get frigid. On the north side, even on a cold day, you could sit comfortably in shirt sleeves, but roast in September and early October.

Kentucky belongs in the ACC and their membership would make Louisville more relevant with the rest of the conference.

(08-16-2021 04:46 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(08-16-2021 03:59 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 06:23 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  I tallied Sports Media Watch football viewership data for the past 4 years (2017-2020). Ranking each power 5 school by four criteria:
1) # viewers (home, away & neutral site games, including bowls)
2) average # viewers per game (home, away & neutral site games, including bowls)
3) # of viewers for home venue (what the conference sells as Media Rights)
4) average # viewers for home venue (what the conference sells as Media Rights)

In order of ACC media value:

Clemson (#9 P5 rank; 31% of viewership of ACC teams; 16% of ACC's T1 & T2 media rights viewership)
Miami (#18; 12%; 11%)
FSU (#19; 9%; 10%)
VT (#29; 7%; 7%)
Louisville (#30; 6%; 8%)
UNC (#39; 5%; 7%)
Pitt (#41; 5%; 5%)
GT (#42; 4%; 6%)
BC (#43; 4%; 6%)
Syracuse (#46; 4%; 4%)
UVA (#54; 4%; 3%)
Wake (#55; 4%; 4%)
NC State (#56; 4%; 4%)
Duke (#62; 3%; 2%)
ACC CCG (#4 amongst 5 P5; N/A; 8%)

The P5 schools ranked ahead of Clemson in terms of viewership are: Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, Notre Dame and Oklahoma.

The P5 schools ranked below Duke in terms of viewership are: Rutgers, Kansas and Oregon State.

Unfortunately, Tobacco Road is where football viewership struggles.

Zach Miller has posted an article "Which college football programs bring in the most TV viewers?

He logged 1,516 regular-season games with available viewership data from the five-year span of 2015-19 (left out 2020 for obvious reasons). That includes every televised game involving Notre Dame, BYU, Army or a team from the Big Ten, SEC, ACC, Big 12, Pac-12, AAC or Mountain West. He ranked every Power 5 team, plus Notre Dame and the eight schools most popularly mentioned as Big 12 expansion candidates. The numbers next to each school indicate the average number of viewers per week from 2015–19. Streaming numbers are included when available.

Here is his ACC Viewership (Your first column)

Clemson #9 (2.67M avg weekly viewers)
FSU #14 (2.23M avg weekly viewers)
Miami #23 (1.503M avg weekly viewers)
VT #31 (1.26M avg weekly viewers)
Louisville #31 (1.22M avg weekly viewers)
Pitt #42 (781K avg weekly viewers)
UNC #43 (749K avg weekly viewers)
NC State #47 (703K avg weekly viewers)
Syracuse #49 (694K avg weekly viewers)
GT #54 (615K avg weekly viewers)
UVA #57 (592K avg weekly viewers)
DUKE #65 (410K avg weekly viewers)
BC #67 (403K avg weekly viewers)
Wake #69 (398K avg weekly viewers)

ACC Partial mbr
Notre Dame #4 (3.61M avg weekly viewers)


So my question is where do you get your rankings for your first column? I would love to look at them.


Link
https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach...c03c689e50

Sports Media Watch (SMW) is the source for both analysis. SMW reports viewership on all rated games.

Some of the major differences in the methodologies used:
1) Zach Miller looked at 5 years of viewership…2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019; I looked at 4 years of viewership…2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020.
2) In stack ranking programs Zach Miller only considered regular season games, only ranked “avg viewers” data, reported the top 73 FBS programs and assumed zero viewers for non-rated games; I looked at “avg viewers” and “total viewers”, stack ranked only P5 teams, incorporated both regular & post-season and excluded non-rated games from the analysis.

Thank You!