Y’all do know that most transfers are being encouraged to leave by the coaching staffs, right? Sure, there are the select group of guys who transfer up. But most aren’t. So why should we punish the majority of athletes for being pushed out?

Mixed feelings.

(04-15-2021 03:16 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I don't like it. It gives no incentive for players to keep a commitment to the schools they sign with.

There will most certainly be more G5 players transferring to P5 schools. I expect to see it become common for any of our players that are "Player of the Year" or guys that are listed on a postseason All-America team to jump ship.

The only benefit we get is that the 4-star and 5-star players that can't get any playing time at the P5 level will be more likely to transfer to a G5, instead of going straight to the FCS like they've always done.

Schools and coaches have no loyalty to the players but we demand that players have loyalty to coaches and schools

(04-16-2021 07:40 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Y’all do know that most transfers are being encouraged to leave by the coaching staffs, right? Sure, there are the select group of guys who transfer up. But most aren’t. So why should we punish the majority of athletes for being pushed out?

Agreed. It's going to suck for the schools that lose their star to P5 schools, but I'm not sure how common that will be. As a school that is building it's basketball program through the portal at the moment, we are definitely not the bottom rung. UAB has added the following in the past 2 years:

Jemison-Clemson
Ertel-ULM
Jackson-Georgia State
Locure-South Alabama
Buffen-Ole Miss
Johnson-Auburn
Brown-South Florida

The thing is, even with the P5 players, these weren't guys riding the end of the bench.(Jemison was kind of close to that, but he was playing close to 10 minutes his sophomore year at Clemson)

Jackson and Ertel were both 2nd team all conference players in the Sun Belt, and both decided to make the move to UAB.

There are only so many roster spots at every school, and players are going to come and go no matter what rules are in place. We are all just going to have to be a little creative in our recruiting, and figure out the best way to fill our rosters when players inevitably leave.

(04-16-2021 08:11 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 03:16 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I don't like it. It gives no incentive for players to keep a commitment to the schools they sign with.

There will most certainly be more G5 players transferring to P5 schools. I expect to see it become common for any of our players that are "Player of the Year" or guys that are listed on a postseason All-America team to jump ship.

The only benefit we get is that the 4-star and 5-star players that can't get any playing time at the P5 level will be more likely to transfer to a G5, instead of going straight to the FCS like they've always done.

Schools and coaches have no loyalty to the players but we demand that players have loyalty to coaches and schools

That's not true at our level at all. Almost everyone we've had enter the portal was looking to move up. Everyone that's been squeezed out mostly due to returning seniors but even in the past is helped to find a better fit. They didn't even have to enter the portal. Not just abandoned like we don't care. Maybe that's not how they do it at UAB. I don't know. But if anyone is running a player mill it's not the bulk of the G5s who are the ones this rule is inflicted upon.

I'm also of the opinion that those players who are asked to transfer are taking one for the team and will always be sons and daughters of Marshall. The ones that leave because they feel they're too good for us I no longer give 2 ****'s about. I will not follow another program to see how they do. They're dead to me.

(04-16-2021 08:36 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 08:11 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 03:16 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I don't like it. It gives no incentive for players to keep a commitment to the schools they sign with.

There will most certainly be more G5 players transferring to P5 schools. I expect to see it become common for any of our players that are "Player of the Year" or guys that are listed on a postseason All-America team to jump ship.

The only benefit we get is that the 4-star and 5-star players that can't get any playing time at the P5 level will be more likely to transfer to a G5, instead of going straight to the FCS like they've always done.

Schools and coaches have no loyalty to the players but we demand that players have loyalty to coaches and schools

That's not true at our level at all. Almost everyone we've had enter the portal was looking to move up. Everyone that's been squeezed out mostly due to returning seniors but even in the past is helped to find a better fit. They didn't even have to enter the portal. Not just abandoned like we don't care. Maybe that's not how they do it at UAB. I don't know. But if anyone is running a player mill it's not the bulk of the G5s who are the ones this rule is inflicted upon.

I'm also of the opinion that those players who are asked to transfer are taking one for the team and will always be sons and daughters of Marshall. The ones that leave because they feel they're too good for us I no longer give 2 ****'s about. I will not follow another program to see how they do. They're dead to me.

The ones forced out are sons and daughters of Marshall but the ones that choose to leave are not. So you don’t care about the players. Got it...

(04-16-2021 07:40 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Y’all do know that most transfers are being encouraged to leave by the coaching staffs, right? Sure, there are the select group of guys who transfer up. But most aren’t. So why should we punish the majority of athletes for being pushed out?

That is just players that are being pushed out. My issue is the poaching of players by the P5. What incentive do the CUSA teams have for recruiting a High School kid when they know they will build the kid up and in a year or twos a Duke or a UT or a Louisville will come calling.

(04-16-2021 01:56 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 07:40 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Y’all do know that most transfers are being encouraged to leave by the coaching staffs, right? Sure, there are the select group of guys who transfer up. But most aren’t. So why should we punish the majority of athletes for being pushed out?

That is just players that are being pushed out. My issue is the poaching of players by the P5. What incentive do the CUSA teams have for recruiting a High School kid when they know they will build the kid up and in a year or twos a Duke or a UT or a Louisville will come calling.

The incentive will be that if they don't recruit that high school kid to attend their school for those two years, another G5 will get them for two years. Unless you want socialism in sports, the gap between the rich and the rest of us will inevitably continue to widen, and no amount of complaining will change that.

Doubt if the new rule was not in place...he would still be at Western. I think he lands at UofL

Quote:DALLAS, Texas — WKU Football defensive tackle Ricky Barber was named a 2020 Football Writers Association of American (FWAA) Freshman All-American, the organization announced Monday morning. He is the fourth Hilltopper to earn this honor in the past 11 years, joining defensive end Juwuan Jones (2018), offensive guard Brandon Ray (2014) and kick returner Willie McNeal (2010).

(04-16-2021 01:56 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 07:40 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Y’all do know that most transfers are being encouraged to leave by the coaching staffs, right? Sure, there are the select group of guys who transfer up. But most aren’t. So why should we punish the majority of athletes for being pushed out?

That is just players that are being pushed out. My issue is the poaching of players by the P5. What incentive do the CUSA teams have for recruiting a High School kid when they know they will build the kid up and in a year or twos a Duke or a UT or a Louisville will come calling.

Did you see JJs comments on it? This is going to change how recruiting is done at many places. I expect ODU as well as most mids and low majors to put more of their focus on the portal and less on high school recruits who may not contribute until their second or third year.

(04-16-2021 01:56 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  [quote='ODUDrunkard13' pid='17385622' dateline='1618576843']
Y’all do know that most transfers are being encouraged to leave by the coaching staffs, right? Sure, there are the select group of guys who transfer up. But most aren’t. So why should we punish the majority of athletes for being pushed out?

That is just players that are being pushed out. My issue is the poaching of players by the P5. What incentive do the CUSA teams have for recruiting a High School kid when they know they will build the kid up and in a year or twos a Duke or a UT or a Louisville will come calling.
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because CUSA teams do not get players that Duke will want in a few years. CUSA as a whole might lose one star to an elite team every three years but every CUSA team will be picking up cast offs from bigger programs

(04-16-2021 08:54 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 08:36 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 08:11 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 03:16 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I don't like it. It gives no incentive for players to keep a commitment to the schools they sign with.

There will most certainly be more G5 players transferring to P5 schools. I expect to see it become common for any of our players that are "Player of the Year" or guys that are listed on a postseason All-America team to jump ship.

The only benefit we get is that the 4-star and 5-star players that can't get any playing time at the P5 level will be more likely to transfer to a G5, instead of going straight to the FCS like they've always done.

Schools and coaches have no loyalty to the players but we demand that players have loyalty to coaches and schools

That's not true at our level at all. Almost everyone we've had enter the portal was looking to move up. Everyone that's been squeezed out mostly due to returning seniors but even in the past is helped to find a better fit. They didn't even have to enter the portal. Not just abandoned like we don't care. Maybe that's not how they do it at UAB. I don't know. But if anyone is running a player mill it's not the bulk of the G5s who are the ones this rule is inflicted upon.

I'm also of the opinion that those players who are asked to transfer are taking one for the team and will always be sons and daughters of Marshall. The ones that leave because they feel they're too good for us I no longer give 2 ****'s about. I will not follow another program to see how they do. They're dead to me.

The ones forced out are sons and daughters of Marshall but the ones that choose to leave are not. So you don’t care about the players. Got it...

Don't know how you got that. I care about players who stay here and are loyal and those willing to step aside for the sake of the program. I don't give a crap about those who abandon us, once they're gone. They belong to a program that isn't Marshall and no longer on my radar. They felt we were beneath them and I don't owe them anything. And the rest of their career whatever it may be they will be referred to as being from that other school. It's a cut tie. I don't even mind if they leave us to get playing time at a different school, being low on the bench. But yeah, if they want to go to a major school just because their britches got to big, **** em.

(04-16-2021 06:59 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 01:56 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  [quote='ODUDrunkard13' pid='17385622' dateline='1618576843']
Y’all do know that most transfers are being encouraged to leave by the coaching staffs, right? Sure, there are the select group of guys who transfer up. But most aren’t. So why should we punish the majority of athletes for being pushed out?

That is just players that are being pushed out. My issue is the poaching of players by the P5. What incentive do the CUSA teams have for recruiting a High School kid when they know they will build the kid up and in a year or twos a Duke or a UT or a Louisville will come calling.
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because CUSA teams do not get players that Duke will want in a few years. CUSA as a whole might lose one star to an elite team every three years but every CUSA team will be picking up cast offs from bigger programs

We just lost West to Louisville. Not a superstar but a solid guard and awesome defender. He broke a couple records here and decided he could do better. So there's one just from Marshall. I think you might find it happens more often than you think it will.

(04-16-2021 08:10 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 06:59 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 01:56 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  [quote='ODUDrunkard13' pid='17385622' dateline='1618576843']
Y’all do know that most transfers are being encouraged to leave by the coaching staffs, right? Sure, there are the select group of guys who transfer up. But most aren’t. So why should we punish the majority of athletes for being pushed out?

That is just players that are being pushed out. My issue is the poaching of players by the P5. What incentive do the CUSA teams have for recruiting a High School kid when they know they will build the kid up and in a year or twos a Duke or a UT or a Louisville will come calling.
[/quoteg

because CUSA teams do not get players that Duke will want in a few years. CUSA as a whole might lose one star to an elite team every three years but every CUSA team will be picking up cast offs from bigger programs

We just lost West to Louisville. Not a superstar but a solid guard and awesome defender. He broke a couple records here and decided he could do better. So there's one just from Marshall. I think you might find it happens more often than you think it will.

And ODU just lost Curry to WVU.

But **** rolls down hill. So there's not much we can do but poach good players at low majors or grab the guys transferring down from high majors for more PT.

(04-19-2021 11:04 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 08:10 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 06:59 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 01:56 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  [quote='ODUDrunkard13' pid='17385622' dateline='1618576843']
Y’all do know that most transfers are being encouraged to leave by the coaching staffs, right? Sure, there are the select group of guys who transfer up. But most aren’t. So why should we punish the majority of athletes for being pushed out?

That is just players that are being pushed out. My issue is the poaching of players by the P5. What incentive do the CUSA teams have for recruiting a High School kid when they know they will build the kid up and in a year or twos a Duke or a UT or a Louisville will come calling.
[/quoteg

because CUSA teams do not get players that Duke will want in a few years. CUSA as a whole might lose one star to an elite team every three years but every CUSA team will be picking up cast offs from bigger programs

We just lost West to Louisville. Not a superstar but a solid guard and awesome defender. He broke a couple records here and decided he could do better. So there's one just from Marshall. I think you might find it happens more often than you think it will.

And ODU just lost Curry to WVU.

But **** rolls down hill. So there's not much we can do but poach good players at low majors or grab the guys transferring down from high majors for more PT.

I don't disagree but he said we might lose one every 3 years to an elite team. I'm thinking we'll lose more like 3-4 a year. And that might get worse as they figure out how to do it more efficiently and under the radar. Why would a Duke or UNC ever take a high school kid when they can poach a sophomore/junior that is already a proven commodity on the court AND they never have to sit out?

(04-20-2021 04:42 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 11:04 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 08:10 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 06:59 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 01:56 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  [quote='ODUDrunkard13' pid='17385622' dateline='1618576843']
Y’all do know that most transfers are being encouraged to leave by the coaching staffs, right? Sure, there are the select group of guys who transfer up. But most aren’t. So why should we punish the majority of athletes for being pushed out?

That is just players that are being pushed out. My issue is the poaching of players by the P5. What incentive do the CUSA teams have for recruiting a High School kid when they know they will build the kid up and in a year or twos a Duke or a UT or a Louisville will come calling.
[/quoteg

because CUSA teams do not get players that Duke will want in a few years. CUSA as a whole might lose one star to an elite team every three years but every CUSA team will be picking up cast offs from bigger programs

We just lost West to Louisville. Not a superstar but a solid guard and awesome defender. He broke a couple records here and decided he could do better. So there's one just from Marshall. I think you might find it happens more often than you think it will.

And ODU just lost Curry to WVU.

But **** rolls down hill. So there's not much we can do but poach good players at low majors or grab the guys transferring down from high majors for more PT.

I don't disagree but he said we might lose one every 3 years to an elite team. I'm thinking we'll lose more like 3-4 a year. And that might get worse as they figure out how to do it more efficiently and under the radar. Why would a Duke or UNC ever take a high school kid when they can poach a sophomore/junior that is already a proven commodity on the court AND they never have to sit out?

Yes but after one time transfer, they have to sit out a year. It’s so crazy some are going back to original school they originally transferred from...At least 65% of these guys going to regret leaving. Grass not always greener on other side, for every carik jones from UofL, there are 10 players who so called transferred up and did nothing..

It’s like your buddy who married, got divorced and had another chick a month later. Relationship was great a few months since new, then you look up already divorced again. Look at the stats for marriage the 2nd time..

(04-20-2021 04:52 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(04-20-2021 04:42 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 11:04 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 08:10 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 06:59 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  That is just players that are being pushed out. My issue is the poaching of players by the P5. What incentive do the CUSA teams have for recruiting a High School kid when they know they will build the kid up and in a year or twos a Duke or a UT or a Louisville will come calling.
[/quoteg

because CUSA teams do not get players that Duke will want in a few years. CUSA as a whole might lose one star to an elite team every three years but every CUSA team will be picking up cast offs from bigger programs

We just lost West to Louisville. Not a superstar but a solid guard and awesome defender. He broke a couple records here and decided he could do better. So there's one just from Marshall. I think you might find it happens more often than you think it will.

And ODU just lost Curry to WVU.

But **** rolls down hill. So there's not much we can do but poach good players at low majors or grab the guys transferring down from high majors for more PT.

I don't disagree but he said we might lose one every 3 years to an elite team. I'm thinking we'll lose more like 3-4 a year. And that might get worse as they figure out how to do it more efficiently and under the radar. Why would a Duke or UNC ever take a high school kid when they can poach a sophomore/junior that is already a proven commodity on the court AND they never have to sit out?

Yes but after one time transfer, they have to sit out a year. It’s so crazy some are going back to original school they originally transferred from...At least 65% of these guys going to regret leaving. Grass not always greener on other side, for every carik jones from UofL, there are 10 players who so called transferred up and did nothing..

It’s like your buddy who married, got divorced and had another chick a month later. Relationship was great a few months since new, then you look up already divorced again. Look at the stats for marriage the 2nd time..

Maybe you asked the wrong guy, but about to celebrate 12th anniversary with 2nd wife. Only married 3.5 years the first time. Learned from the first one to make the second much better. I'm guessing that's the crux of it. Not learning from your first mistakes and knowing what you really want.

(04-22-2021 02:33 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(04-20-2021 04:52 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(04-20-2021 04:42 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 11:04 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 08:10 PM)MUther Wrote:  We just lost West to Louisville. Not a superstar but a solid guard and awesome defender. He broke a couple records here and decided he could do better. So there's one just from Marshall. I think you might find it happens more often than you think it will.

And ODU just lost Curry to WVU.

But **** rolls down hill. So there's not much we can do but poach good players at low majors or grab the guys transferring down from high majors for more PT.

I don't disagree but he said we might lose one every 3 years to an elite team. I'm thinking we'll lose more like 3-4 a year. And that might get worse as they figure out how to do it more efficiently and under the radar. Why would a Duke or UNC ever take a high school kid when they can poach a sophomore/junior that is already a proven commodity on the court AND they never have to sit out?

Yes but after one time transfer, they have to sit out a year. It’s so crazy some are going back to original school they originally transferred from...At least 65% of these guys going to regret leaving. Grass not always greener on other side, for every carik jones from UofL, there are 10 players who so called transferred up and did nothing..

It’s like your buddy who married, got divorced and had another chick a month later. Relationship was great a few months since new, then you look up already divorced again. Look at the stats for marriage the 2nd time..

Maybe you asked the wrong guy, but about to celebrate 12th anniversary with 2nd wife. Only married 3.5 years the first time. Learned from the first one to make the second much better. I'm guessing that's the crux of it. Not learning from your first mistakes and knowing what you really want.

I certainly learned from my first marriage. I learned not to marry again. Happily single since 1984.

(04-22-2021 05:14 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(04-22-2021 02:33 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(04-20-2021 04:52 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(04-20-2021 04:42 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(04-19-2021 11:04 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  And ODU just lost Curry to WVU.

But **** rolls down hill. So there's not much we can do but poach good players at low majors or grab the guys transferring down from high majors for more PT.

I don't disagree but he said we might lose one every 3 years to an elite team. I'm thinking we'll lose more like 3-4 a year. And that might get worse as they figure out how to do it more efficiently and under the radar. Why would a Duke or UNC ever take a high school kid when they can poach a sophomore/junior that is already a proven commodity on the court AND they never have to sit out?

Yes but after one time transfer, they have to sit out a year. It’s so crazy some are going back to original school they originally transferred from...At least 65% of these guys going to regret leaving. Grass not always greener on other side, for every carik jones from UofL, there are 10 players who so called transferred up and did nothing..

It’s like your buddy who married, got divorced and had another chick a month later. Relationship was great a few months since new, then you look up already divorced again. Look at the stats for marriage the 2nd time..

Maybe you asked the wrong guy, but about to celebrate 12th anniversary with 2nd wife. Only married 3.5 years the first time. Learned from the first one to make the second much better. I'm guessing that's the crux of it. Not learning from your first mistakes and knowing what you really want.

I certainly learned from my first marriage. I learned not to marry again. Happily single since 1984.

Still a good takeaway for the right person. Nothing wrong with that and I agree it's better than getting another divorce if you decided marriage wasn't for you. I do wish my daughter had come from the second marriage. Things would gave been a lot smoother.

(04-22-2021 05:47 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(04-22-2021 05:14 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(04-22-2021 02:33 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(04-20-2021 04:52 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(04-20-2021 04:42 PM)MUther Wrote:  I don't disagree but he said we might lose one every 3 years to an elite team. I'm thinking we'll lose more like 3-4 a year. And that might get worse as they figure out how to do it more efficiently and under the radar. Why would a Duke or UNC ever take a high school kid when they can poach a sophomore/junior that is already a proven commodity on the court AND they never have to sit out?

Yes but after one time transfer, they have to sit out a year. It’s so crazy some are going back to original school they originally transferred from...At least 65% of these guys going to regret leaving. Grass not always greener on other side, for every carik jones from UofL, there are 10 players who so called transferred up and did nothing..

It’s like your buddy who married, got divorced and had another chick a month later. Relationship was great a few months since new, then you look up already divorced again. Look at the stats for marriage the 2nd time..

Maybe you asked the wrong guy, but about to celebrate 12th anniversary with 2nd wife. Only married 3.5 years the first time. Learned from the first one to make the second much better. I'm guessing that's the crux of it. Not learning from your first mistakes and knowing what you really want.

I certainly learned from my first marriage. I learned not to marry again. Happily single since 1984.

Still a good takeaway for the right person. Nothing wrong with that and I agree it's better than getting another divorce if you decided marriage wasn't for you. I do wish my daughter had come from the second marriage. Things would gave been a lot smoother.

I look around and see that most of the happy marriages I know of are either the first or third. First one didn't work, and I haven't figured out how to get to #3 without going through the second one.

But I have been in a good long term relationship for a long time. We are both happy single - separate houses works for us. Different strokes for different folks. Glad things have worked out for you.