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RE: DeAndre Williams is returning
Hard work and chemistry
You won't leave home without it

I'm not saying DJ did that. I'm just saying Williams, the guy who is in the OP, is skilled, experienced and a hard worker/ player. Plus he gets and gives tons of hugs from/to the players.

he back too!
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RE: DeAndre Williams is returning
(04-16-2021 03:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 04:10 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 03:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 10:42 AM)TigerBo Wrote:  All things considered.. would we rather have Nolley or Cisse back, if we had to choose?

DJ...

But Seriously it depends on what the other guys bring...

Nolley is a smooth shooter but he definitely needs help to score.

Cisse is a elite defensive player\rebounder but lacks offense...Looked for a big jump next year offensively.

Is the drop from Nolley to Minott, Camden or Davion greater than the drop from Cisse to Sam.

I'm not super high on Nolley though...He is a solid player
He scored 2-3 more points than everyone else...But he also shot 29% more shots than they did as well.

DJ? Come on. Nolley plays circles CONSISTENTLY around DJ.
Nolley was our only all-conference player. He was the NIT MVP.

Opinions differ...

If I had to choose I am picking DJ.

DJ Better rebounder...Better defender...Better facilitator...More Versatile (Especially on defense)

Nolley definitely a better scorer.

Now that is all of the physical tools...Now I am not sure DJ was a leader by example or vocally. But if DJ got serious definitely had much more upside.

Yes, opinions vary.
IMO the only thing DJ did noticeably better than Landers was rebound.
Landers is the better shooter, scorer, FT shooter and did just as much with assists and steals. And for us, scoring and shooting is pretty important. Penny can get the guys to play D and rebound.
Finally it seems pretty obvious that the chemistry was just better with Landers.
There's a reason Landers was 1st team all-AAC and the NIT MVP. There's also a reason when DJ's parents gave Penny an ultimatum between Landers and DJ being the offense focal point, DJ hit the portal.
04-16-2021 04:34 PM
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RE: DeAndre Williams is returning
(04-16-2021 04:34 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(04-16-2021 03:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 04:10 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 03:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 10:42 AM)TigerBo Wrote:  All things considered.. would we rather have Nolley or Cisse back, if we had to choose?

DJ...

But Seriously it depends on what the other guys bring...

Nolley is a smooth shooter but he definitely needs help to score.

Cisse is a elite defensive player\rebounder but lacks offense...Looked for a big jump next year offensively.

Is the drop from Nolley to Minott, Camden or Davion greater than the drop from Cisse to Sam.

I'm not super high on Nolley though...He is a solid player
He scored 2-3 more points than everyone else...But he also shot 29% more shots than they did as well.

DJ? Come on. Nolley plays circles CONSISTENTLY around DJ.
Nolley was our only all-conference player. He was the NIT MVP.

Opinions differ...

If I had to choose I am picking DJ.

DJ Better rebounder...Better defender...Better facilitator...More Versatile (Especially on defense)

Nolley definitely a better scorer.

Now that is all of the physical tools...Now I am not sure DJ was a leader by example or vocally. But if DJ got serious definitely had much more upside.

Yes, opinions vary.
IMO the only thing DJ did noticeably better than Landers was rebound.
Landers is the better shooter, scorer, FT shooter and did just as much with assists and steals. And for us, scoring and shooting is pretty important. Penny can get the guys to play D and rebound.
Finally it seems pretty obvious that the chemistry was just better with Landers.
There's a reason Landers was 1st team all-AAC and the NIT MVP. There's also a reason when DJ's parents gave Penny an ultimatum between Landers and DJ being the offense focal point, DJ hit the portal.
DJ
+/- for the year 171
Offensive ppp .10425
Defensive ppp .8738

Nolley
+/- for the year 103
Offensive ppp 1.0176
Defensive ppp .9334

Do with that what you choose.
04-16-2021 07:51 PM
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RE: DeAndre Williams is returning
(04-16-2021 07:51 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-16-2021 04:34 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(04-16-2021 03:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 04:10 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 03:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  DJ...

But Seriously it depends on what the other guys bring...

Nolley is a smooth shooter but he definitely needs help to score.

Cisse is a elite defensive player\rebounder but lacks offense...Looked for a big jump next year offensively.

Is the drop from Nolley to Minott, Camden or Davion greater than the drop from Cisse to Sam.

I'm not super high on Nolley though...He is a solid player
He scored 2-3 more points than everyone else...But he also shot 29% more shots than they did as well.

DJ? Come on. Nolley plays circles CONSISTENTLY around DJ.
Nolley was our only all-conference player. He was the NIT MVP.

Opinions differ...

If I had to choose I am picking DJ.

DJ Better rebounder...Better defender...Better facilitator...More Versatile (Especially on defense)

Nolley definitely a better scorer.

Now that is all of the physical tools...Now I am not sure DJ was a leader by example or vocally. But if DJ got serious definitely had much more upside.

Yes, opinions vary.
IMO the only thing DJ did noticeably better than Landers was rebound.
Landers is the better shooter, scorer, FT shooter and did just as much with assists and steals. And for us, scoring and shooting is pretty important. Penny can get the guys to play D and rebound.
Finally it seems pretty obvious that the chemistry was just better with Landers.
There's a reason Landers was 1st team all-AAC and the NIT MVP. There's also a reason when DJ's parents gave Penny an ultimatum between Landers and DJ being the offense focal point, DJ hit the portal.
DJ
+/- for the year 171
Offensive ppp .10425
Defensive ppp .8738

Nolley
+/- for the year 103
Offensive ppp 1.0176
Defensive ppp .9334

Do with that what you choose.

What are those stats and where did you get them? I've been looking for stats like these but didn't know where to look.

The one thing I didn't like about the DJ situation was giving the HC an ultimatum or telling Penny how he should be used (if that was truly the case). More concerned about the individual than the team. But I guess there is a lot of that going on nowdays.
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RE: DeAndre Williams is returning
(04-16-2021 08:03 PM)Irse Wrote:  
(04-16-2021 07:51 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-16-2021 04:34 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(04-16-2021 03:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 04:10 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  DJ? Come on. Nolley plays circles CONSISTENTLY around DJ.
Nolley was our only all-conference player. He was the NIT MVP.

Opinions differ...

If I had to choose I am picking DJ.

DJ Better rebounder...Better defender...Better facilitator...More Versatile (Especially on defense)

Nolley definitely a better scorer.

Now that is all of the physical tools...Now I am not sure DJ was a leader by example or vocally. But if DJ got serious definitely had much more upside.

Yes, opinions vary.
IMO the only thing DJ did noticeably better than Landers was rebound.
Landers is the better shooter, scorer, FT shooter and did just as much with assists and steals. And for us, scoring and shooting is pretty important. Penny can get the guys to play D and rebound.
Finally it seems pretty obvious that the chemistry was just better with Landers.
There's a reason Landers was 1st team all-AAC and the NIT MVP. There's also a reason when DJ's parents gave Penny an ultimatum between Landers and DJ being the offense focal point, DJ hit the portal.
DJ
+/- for the year 171
Offensive ppp .10425
Defensive ppp .8738

Nolley
+/- for the year 103
Offensive ppp 1.0176
Defensive ppp .9334

Do with that what you choose.

What are those stats and where did you get them? I've been looking for stats like these but didn't know where to look.

The one thing I didn't like about the DJ situation was giving the HC an ultimatum or telling Penny how he should be used (if that was truly the case). More concerned about the individual than the team. But I guess there is a lot of that going on nowdays.

Yeah...

That is how I feel about it the whole ultimatum rumor

Seems like some people choose to believe message board rumors but will classify many things as fake news from reputable sources.

And the stats are self compiled...Have a script that parses boxscores.

ppp = Points Per Possession while that player was on the floor.
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RE: DeAndre Williams is returning
(04-16-2021 08:18 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-16-2021 08:03 PM)Irse Wrote:  
(04-16-2021 07:51 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-16-2021 04:34 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(04-16-2021 03:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Opinions differ...

If I had to choose I am picking DJ.

DJ Better rebounder...Better defender...Better facilitator...More Versatile (Especially on defense)

Nolley definitely a better scorer.

Now that is all of the physical tools...Now I am not sure DJ was a leader by example or vocally. But if DJ got serious definitely had much more upside.

Yes, opinions vary.
IMO the only thing DJ did noticeably better than Landers was rebound.
Landers is the better shooter, scorer, FT shooter and did just as much with assists and steals. And for us, scoring and shooting is pretty important. Penny can get the guys to play D and rebound.
Finally it seems pretty obvious that the chemistry was just better with Landers.
There's a reason Landers was 1st team all-AAC and the NIT MVP. There's also a reason when DJ's parents gave Penny an ultimatum between Landers and DJ being the offense focal point, DJ hit the portal.
DJ
+/- for the year 171
Offensive ppp .10425
Defensive ppp .8738

Nolley
+/- for the year 103
Offensive ppp 1.0176
Defensive ppp .9334

Do with that what you choose.

What are those stats and where did you get them? I've been looking for stats like these but didn't know where to look.

The one thing I didn't like about the DJ situation was giving the HC an ultimatum or telling Penny how he should be used (if that was truly the case). More concerned about the individual than the team. But I guess there is a lot of that going on nowdays.

Yeah...

That is how I feel about it the whole ultimatum rumor

Seems like some people choose to believe message board rumors but will classify many things as fake news from reputable sources.

And the stats are self compiled...Have a script that parses boxscores.

ppp = Points Per Possession while that player was on the floor.

Not just a message board rumor. Media rumor too.
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RE: DeAndre Williams is returning
(04-16-2021 07:51 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-16-2021 04:34 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(04-16-2021 03:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 04:10 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 03:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  DJ...

But Seriously it depends on what the other guys bring...

Nolley is a smooth shooter but he definitely needs help to score.

Cisse is a elite defensive player\rebounder but lacks offense...Looked for a big jump next year offensively.

Is the drop from Nolley to Minott, Camden or Davion greater than the drop from Cisse to Sam.

I'm not super high on Nolley though...He is a solid player
He scored 2-3 more points than everyone else...But he also shot 29% more shots than they did as well.

DJ? Come on. Nolley plays circles CONSISTENTLY around DJ.
Nolley was our only all-conference player. He was the NIT MVP.

Opinions differ...

If I had to choose I am picking DJ.

DJ Better rebounder...Better defender...Better facilitator...More Versatile (Especially on defense)

Nolley definitely a better scorer.

Now that is all of the physical tools...Now I am not sure DJ was a leader by example or vocally. But if DJ got serious definitely had much more upside.

Yes, opinions vary.
IMO the only thing DJ did noticeably better than Landers was rebound.
Landers is the better shooter, scorer, FT shooter and did just as much with assists and steals. And for us, scoring and shooting is pretty important. Penny can get the guys to play D and rebound.
Finally it seems pretty obvious that the chemistry was just better with Landers.
There's a reason Landers was 1st team all-AAC and the NIT MVP. There's also a reason when DJ's parents gave Penny an ultimatum between Landers and DJ being the offense focal point, DJ hit the portal.
DJ
+/- for the year 171
Offensive ppp .10425
Defensive ppp .8738

Nolley
+/- for the year 103
Offensive ppp 1.0176
Defensive ppp .9334

Do with that what you choose.

Correct your decimal and you've got an argument.
Most seem to agree with me. But it is just an opinion.
Regardless, DJ gone. Landers staying.
If the ultimatum was between the two, I'm glad the way it worked out.
And even a DJ backer can admit that if DJ is the greater impact, it is marginal.
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RE: DeAndre Williams is returning
(04-16-2021 03:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 04:10 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 03:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 10:42 AM)TigerBo Wrote:  All things considered.. would we rather have Nolley or Cisse back, if we had to choose?

DJ...

But Seriously it depends on what the other guys bring...

Nolley is a smooth shooter but he definitely needs help to score.

Cisse is a elite defensive player\rebounder but lacks offense...Looked for a big jump next year offensively.

Is the drop from Nolley to Minott, Camden or Davion greater than the drop from Cisse to Sam.

I'm not super high on Nolley though...He is a solid player
He scored 2-3 more points than everyone else...But he also shot 29% more shots than they did as well.

DJ? Come on. Nolley plays circles CONSISTENTLY around DJ.
Nolley was our only all-conference player. He was the NIT MVP.

Opinions differ...

If I had to choose I am picking DJ.

DJ Better rebounder...Better defender...Better facilitator...More Versatile (Especially on defense)

Nolley definitely a better scorer.

Now that is all of the physical tools...Now I am not sure DJ was a leader by example or vocally. But if DJ got serious definitely had much more upside.

DJ didn't get serious and that's why he's gone.

When Nolley takes that dribble to just inside the free throw line he is almost automatic. I'd like to see him do that more often
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RE: DeAndre Williams is returning
(04-20-2021 04:42 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  
(04-16-2021 03:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 04:10 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 03:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 10:42 AM)TigerBo Wrote:  All things considered.. would we rather have Nolley or Cisse back, if we had to choose?

DJ...

But Seriously it depends on what the other guys bring...

Nolley is a smooth shooter but he definitely needs help to score.

Cisse is a elite defensive player\rebounder but lacks offense...Looked for a big jump next year offensively.

Is the drop from Nolley to Minott, Camden or Davion greater than the drop from Cisse to Sam.

I'm not super high on Nolley though...He is a solid player
He scored 2-3 more points than everyone else...But he also shot 29% more shots than they did as well.

DJ? Come on. Nolley plays circles CONSISTENTLY around DJ.
Nolley was our only all-conference player. He was the NIT MVP.

Opinions differ...

If I had to choose I am picking DJ.

DJ Better rebounder...Better defender...Better facilitator...More Versatile (Especially on defense)

Nolley definitely a better scorer.

Now that is all of the physical tools...Now I am not sure DJ was a leader by example or vocally. But if DJ got serious definitely had much more upside.

DJ didn't get serious and that's why he's gone.

When Nolley takes that dribble to just inside the free throw line he is almost automatic. I'd like to see him do that more often

Same with that 14 footer from the wing. He’s lethal.
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