Most terminations aren't "worst". They get let go for performance, for extracurriculars, or NCAA violations.

(04-14-2021 01:29 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 01:28 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 12:14 PM)esayem Wrote:  Dino Gaudio went 61-31 at Wake and was canned. Took them to a #1 ranking as well during that time. He wasn’t winning in March and was fired by the new AD, IIRC. Wake hasn’t had that kind of success since. The ineptitude of their hires has been astounding. Although, I think Forbes will have them competitive.

How the heck did Dino Gaudio never get another HC job?

Good question. Might not have been interested. I've seen him on the sideline for Louisville the past few seasons.

Louisville decided last month not to renew Dino’s contract or the contract of Luke Murray (Bill Murray’s son). Both were used as scapegoats by the present head coach who I’m beginning to think might be in over his head.

Huggins for sure

(04-14-2021 01:10 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 12:38 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  Jamie Dixon wasn't technically fired from Pitt, but he was forced out and was released from his buyout.

328-123 (.727) overall record at Pitt which includes a 115-172 (.669) record in the Big East's heyday, which was the all-time Big East best winning % at the time. 11 of 13 years in the NCAA tournament (one elite 8, two sweet 16s, and two 1 seeds), with one NIT and one CBI championship (never missing a post-season), 3 Big East titles, and reached #1 in the AP.

Pitt hasn't had a winning season since and has had some of the worst teams in its history.

TCU is Dixon's alma mater so I can see Jamie wanting to go there as well.

Dixon didn't want to leave Pitt. New AD and influential booster pushed him out, wrecked the program, then took off.

Valvano crucified by UNC politicians and fired takes the cake. Investigated stem to stern and all that was found was some players had sold their shoes. No academic fraud, no rapes, no assaults, no drugs, etc. You have to hand it to UNC, they did a hell of a job on him.

I saw his name mentioned in another thread, but Mike Lonergan springs to mind as someone that got the shaft.

Tom Davis-Iowa

(04-14-2021 05:35 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 01:29 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 01:28 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 12:14 PM)esayem Wrote:  Dino Gaudio went 61-31 at Wake and was canned. Took them to a #1 ranking as well during that time. He wasn’t winning in March and was fired by the new AD, IIRC. Wake hasn’t had that kind of success since. The ineptitude of their hires has been astounding. Although, I think Forbes will have them competitive.

How the heck did Dino Gaudio never get another HC job?

Good question. Might not have been interested. I've seen him on the sideline for Louisville the past few seasons.

Louisville decided last month not to renew Dino’s contract or the contract of Luke Murray (Bill Murray’s son). Both were used as scapegoats by the present head coach who I’m beginning to think might be in over his head.

Maybe the head coach was feeling like every day was the same as the last and is trying anything to break the cycle.

(04-13-2021 12:40 PM)sctvman Wrote:  Tony Shaver at William & Mary after 2018-19. Basically his entire team transferred after that. They would have been prohibitive favorite to win the CAA and go to the NCAAs for first time ever (which would have been cancelled), but alone Justin Pierce went to North Carolina, Chase Audige to Northwestern, Luke Loewe to Minnesota, Matt Milon to UCF, and another guy went to UMBC.

This one was a head scratcher, as William and Mary had never tasted any real success before he got there, and the new AD (who had since been canned, too) didn’t see the value in having a competitive basketball team.

Not a termination but how about the Board of Trustees at UNLV holding up Chris Beard’s contract because they didn’t think he was worth what the AD offered which let him go to Texas Tech for even more money and didn’t owe UNLV a dime.

(04-13-2021 12:24 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Older:
Joey Meyer (DePaul)
Bob Huggins (Cincinnati)
Bobby Knight (Indiana)
Rick Barnes (Texas)
Al Skinner (Boston College)

Recent:
Bryce Drew (Vanderbilt)
Scott Cross (UT Arlington)
Jason Shay (ETSU)

I agree with all of your examples. Huggins and Knight had extenuating circumstances which made termination almost necessary but they and the others you mentioned were all exceptional coaches.

Abe Lemons-Texas

Texas was sitting at #5 in the polls when their center suffered a crippling knee injury in the Baylor game. Season tanked and the administration fired a coach they simply didn't like because of his personality. He brought Texas from nothing and it promptly went back to nothing. So did attendance. It was years before Texas recovered.

It used to bother me about how Penn State pushed out Jerry Dunn only two seasons removed from that Sweet Sixteen run they had about 20 years ago. Understandable given the back-to-back seven-win seasons. Understandable because players didn’t like him. He didn’t get fired, but it sounded like he got out before he would be shown out.

I’ve never cared much for the arguments that his early successes were with Bruce Parkhill’s kids. Only worse is that BS about DeChellis’ failures being due to Dunn’s proverbial emptying out the shelves. And with those two gripes, were the comments at the time about PSU “needing to compete for tournament spots every year” from athletic leadership there...and then hiring and retaining DeChellis for that long. Or the thought that the program wanted to get away from the Parkhill-era, completely undermining and explaining away Dunn’s specific and unique contributions. But the replacement...was also a Parkhill-era guy.

The whole thing, much like Penn State basketball throughout my whole life...stunk. Got rid of a guy who at least challenged the program in the non-conference in a way Ed DeChellis would never do (and Pat Chambers, too), had some success, and when the success didn’t come, play PSU hoops up like it was a world-class program. The hypocrisy, when adding the DeChellis and Chambers years, was just too much.

But, any other program...yeah, deserved to go.

I was also saddened that Bruce Parkhill never went back to coaching after Penn State. He had a few seasons assisting Ohio State after like a five year hiatus, but it didn’t stick. He cited he was burned out and lost his passion for coaching. That I very much believe. The crap that guy had to go through during that time at Penn State and then in the Big Ten, and then still trending up once within the Big Ten...at the very least, I wish he went back to a strong or consistent mid-level program, but, wasn’t to be.

Outside of the PSU crapfest...I wonder how history will view the Martelli firing and Dunphy force-out. Philly press wasn’t pleased. Both deserved better.

I'll throw out Bobby Knight-

Whatever nonsense was happening was small change - Knight could have coached 7-10 more years at Indiana, probably kept them in the Top 20 or sniffed a couple Final Fours, instead of the mediocrity Indiana basketball has become.

(04-13-2021 05:24 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  Ben Howland was 233-107 with three Final Four appearances in ten seasons at UCLA but was fired due to his style of play combined with Bill Walton and other alumni on TV ripping him on air.

Howland was fired more for recruiting mistakes than anything else. There was a damaging article in Sports Illustrated (back when SI didn't suck) about Howland alienating high school and AAU coaches in California, and quoting coaches who said they would steer players away from UCLA as long as Howland was there. It got to the point where Howland could only recruit out of state, which is nuts considering how much HS basketball talent there is in SoCal.

(04-21-2021 01:40 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  I'll throw out Bobby Knight-

Whatever nonsense was happening was small change - Knight could have coached 7-10 more years at Indiana, probably kept them in the Top 20 or sniffed a couple Final Fours, instead of the mediocrity Indiana basketball has become.

Perhaps, but I'm not convinced. IU had noticeably slipped and rarely made it beyond the first weekend of the tournament by the mid '90s.