(04-15-2021 12:14 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 11:09 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 10:31 AM)BlazinBham Wrote:  Whether somebody is armed or not, has no bearing on folks resisting arrest. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. We’ve all been taught that at a young age. Legalizing marijuana isn’t going to drop the arrest rate. Will be more DUI’s and more innocent folks killed, because there will be more impaired. I wouldn’t have a problem with you potheads if you didn’t smell so bad. You have no self awareness before leaving the house, to put on some different clothes or some deodorant. Folks can smell you riding down the street, even with all the windows rolled up. No wonder why the cops pull over so many folks for it.

got numbers to back that up? Also keep in mind, just because you test positive for marijuana, doesn't mean you are high at the time of testing.

You are obviously against alcohol as well, and want alcohol to be made illegal, yes?

Pretty accurate statement.

That's my main beef with legalizing it.

Mf'ers smelling like they just f@cked a den of skunks.

if it was legalized, maybe more people would go to gummies, which is what most working professionals I know use.

(04-15-2021 10:31 AM)BlazinBham Wrote:  Whether somebody is armed or not, has no bearing on folks resisting arrest. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. We’ve all been taught that at a young age. Legalizing marijuana isn’t going to drop the arrest rate. Will be more DUI’s and more innocent folks killed, because there will be more impaired. I wouldn’t have a problem with you potheads if you didn’t smell so bad. You have no self awareness before leaving the house, to put on some different clothes or some deodorant. Folks can smell you riding down the street, even with all the windows rolled up. No wonder why the cops pull over so many folks for it.

No. Apparently we have not ALL been taught that... Some were taught that you play stupid games, and it is someone else's fault when you get caught.

(04-15-2021 08:37 AM)Danforth Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 03:59 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 02:22 PM)Danforth Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 09:44 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 09:21 AM)Danforth Wrote:  How many of the 500 were unarmed?

It's actually 568 whites, as of today.

29 were unarmed.

In that same time, 295 blacks have been shot. 21 were unarmed.

Also in that same time, 203 Hispanics have been shot. 10 were unarmed.

Finally, 1,229 men have been shot compared to 54 females. 60 males were unarmed. 5 females were unarmed.

If your numbers are correct then it does seem like unarmed Black men are shot more often than others.

I'm glad we cleared that up.

Is that because they resist arrest more often than others? Try to take the officer's weapon more often than others? Get stopped with outstanding warrants more often than others? This is not so cut&dried as you make it out to be.

Why would black people resist arrest more than others?

Do I look stupid enough to try and answer that question?

For the time period from 2015 through 2020 black people were fatally shot by police at a rate of 35 per million people, vs white people were shot at a rate of 14 per million people.

Comparing raw numbers is stupid when the population sizes are different, black people are being killed by police at over twice the rate of white people.

(04-15-2021 02:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  For the time period from 2015 through 2020 black people were fatally shot by police at a rate of 35 per million people, vs white people were shot at a rate of 14 per million people.

Comparing raw numbers is stupid when the population sizes are different, black people are being killed by police at over twice the rate of white people.

They are also probably 5 times more likely to live in high violent crime areas.... where the 'rules of engagement' for law enforcement (as well as the choice of engagement by more citizens) is vastly different.

If you live next door to a crack house, the odds that you are accidentally shot, detained, frisked, not trusted etc etc etc are probably 1,000 times that if you live next door to a church. Why? Because unless you're Zorro, you probably aren't harboring criminals in a church... but you ARE at a crack house.

WHY is it that we're willing to even consider legalizing mind-altering drugs in order to reduce the incidence of crime, but we aren't even remotely willing to consider allowing people who don't currently have a lot of CHOICE of where to live... to have that choice?

I can think of fewer STUPID things in my life... and I FAVOR legalizing marijuana.

(04-15-2021 02:54 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 02:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  For the time period from 2015 through 2020 black people were fatally shot by police at a rate of 35 per million people, vs white people were shot at a rate of 14 per million people.

Comparing raw numbers is stupid when the population sizes are different, black people are being killed by police at over twice the rate of white people.

They are also probably 5 times more likely to live in high violent crime areas.... where the 'rules of engagement' for law enforcement (as well as the choice of engagement by more citizens) is vastly different.

If you live next door to a crack house, the odds that you are accidentally shot, detained, frisked, not trusted etc etc etc are probably 1,000 times that if you live next door to a church. Why? Because unless you're Zorro, you probably aren't harboring criminals in a church... but you ARE at a crack house.

WHY is it that we're willing to even consider legalizing mind-altering drugs in order to reduce the incidence of crime, but we aren't even remotely willing to consider allowing people who don't currently have a lot of CHOICE of where to live... to have that choice?

I can think of fewer STUPID things in my life... and I FAVOR legalizing marijuana.

I'm on vacation in CR but you are making our point

Chicago releases body cam footage of a cop shooting a 13 year old kid with his hands in the air..... yikes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5M-lonlfi4&t=130s

kid is running, cop yells to stop and put his hands up, the kid stops and puts his hands up, and gets shot.....

running from the cops is not a crime punishable by death.

(04-15-2021 04:04 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5M-lonlfi4&t=130s

kid is running, cop yells to stop and put his hands up, the kid stops and puts his hands up, and gets shot.....

running from the cops is not a crime punishable by death.

He visibly had a gun, crouched behind a fence, tossed and turned in a matter of a second or maybe 2....

The officer had to make a literal split second decision if he thought the turning suspect was turning with the weapon he saw him with...

Dont be a dummy and think officers are super human who can slowmo situations like this.

Facts are the kid was 13 years old and running the streets at 230am. The kid is dead because his parents had no effin clue what he wad doing or where he was.

Another tragic situation that could have been 100% avoided if the suspect wasnt gang bangin around.



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(04-15-2021 02:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  For the time period from 2015 through 2020 black people were fatally shot by police at a rate of 35 per million people, vs white people were shot at a rate of 14 per million people.

Comparing raw numbers is stupid when the population sizes are different, black people are being killed by police at over twice the rate of white people.

And you will also acknowledge then that blacks, despite representing only about 13% of the population, commit over 50% of all murders in this country? In fact, they committed 26.6% of all crimes reported, more than double their “fair share” based on population. They were 39% of violent crimes. That over representation of crimes correlates with the over representation of shootings.

The kid visibly had a gun in his hand? You must have super human sight bc I've watched that video over and over and still don't see a gun.
Being out at 230am isn't punishable by death. Running from the cops isn't justifiable by death.

So let's say the kid did have a gun, he threw it away while stopping running and put his hands in the air as he was told. He complied. He did was he was told.

(04-15-2021 07:39 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  The kid visibly had a gun in his hand? You must have super human sight bc I've watched that video over and over and still don't see a gun.
Being out at 230am isn't punishable by death. Running from the cops isn't justifiable by death.

So let's say the kid did have a gun, he threw it away while stopping running and put his hands in the air as he was told. He complied. He did was he was told.

1. Youre either willfully ignoring or ignorant of the situation that led to this

2. The camera doesnt = what the officer actually saw

3. .85 seconds between the time the gun was visible and him turning after he ducked behind the fence.

4. Where did anyone say being out at 230am is a death sentence, the point is at 13 he shouldnt have been out at 230am. His parents are to blame for his death, period.

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Can we get all of the body camera videos from these?

Oh wait, nevermind

https://graphics.suntimes.com/homicides/

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Its extraordinary to see the absolute disregard for the truth.

Its synonymous to these criminals jumping out of a plane and every time they pull the parachute a little closer to the ground and finally they pull it too late and....splat... they are mash potatoes. And here is the kicker, people then react like, I CANT BELIEVE HE DIED THAT WAY!


Ya bunch of dummies

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(04-15-2021 06:25 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 04:04 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5M-lonlfi4&t=130s

kid is running, cop yells to stop and put his hands up, the kid stops and puts his hands up, and gets shot.....

running from the cops is not a crime punishable by death.

He visibly had a gun, crouched behind a fence, tossed and turned in a matter of a second or maybe 2....

The officer had to make a literal split second decision if he thought the turning suspect was turning with the weapon he saw him with...

Dont be a dummy and think officers are super human who can slowmo situations like this.

Facts are the kid was 13 years old and running the streets at 230am. The kid is dead because his parents had no effin clue what he wad doing or where he was.

Another tragic situation that could have been 100% avoided if the suspect wasnt gang bangin around.



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I don't have an opinion either way because I haven't seen anything regarding this story but I have often heard people say, when under stressful situations such as these, that everything seemed to happen in slow motion.

Isn't there something to the notion that under high stress, the adrenaline in a person actually causes an individual to focus and process much faster than normal?

(04-15-2021 03:36 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 02:54 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 02:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  For the time period from 2015 through 2020 black people were fatally shot by police at a rate of 35 per million people, vs white people were shot at a rate of 14 per million people.

Comparing raw numbers is stupid when the population sizes are different, black people are being killed by police at over twice the rate of white people.

They are also probably 5 times more likely to live in high violent crime areas.... where the 'rules of engagement' for law enforcement (as well as the choice of engagement by more citizens) is vastly different.

If you live next door to a crack house, the odds that you are accidentally shot, detained, frisked, not trusted etc etc etc are probably 1,000 times that if you live next door to a church. Why? Because unless you're Zorro, you probably aren't harboring criminals in a church... but you ARE at a crack house.

WHY is it that we're willing to even consider legalizing mind-altering drugs in order to reduce the incidence of crime, but we aren't even remotely willing to consider allowing people who don't currently have a lot of CHOICE of where to live... to have that choice?

I can think of fewer STUPID things in my life... and I FAVOR legalizing marijuana.

I'm on vacation in CR but you are making our point

First, If I'm making 'your' point... then you look pretty foolish telling me to get educated, don't you??

But no. I'm making THE point. 'Our' point I suspect you mean is 'democrats'.... and YOUR point is clearly to keep those people 'where they are' so that you can extract political power from them.

Let them move, and they quite obviously choose to buy high value (high potential for appreciation) homes in more expensive, lower crime areas. If you can show me ONE of 'your' people who has suggested that minorities move out of high crime (democratically controlled) areas, it will be the first. The closest I've seen is 'your' side arguing to put more money into these areas... either through jobs or grants or tax abatements or what have you... but almost always controlled by politicians, not by 'the people'.

What 'your' point has been quite obviously to create what should NOT be a contentious point... that there are good people who are surrounded by crime, who get treated like criminals because the police are quite often afraid for their own lives.... where these 'in the moment' decisions are heavily tainted by the aggression that these people face 40+ hours per week... and turn it in to RACE war because it suits your political agenda. Where giving people living in the projects a portion of the value of those projects (quite often, highly valuable, inner-city property) which is NET ZERO COST TO ANYONE isn't NEARLY as valuable to you as 'punishing' people who in almost EVERY case are descendents of slaves, slave owners, abolitionists AND racist... to give money to people of similar descent, or who may or may not have been party to the rights OR wrongs of the 1800's, or even the 1950s... but absolutely HAVE been victims of THIS GENERATION'S Democrats.... including 2021.

Seriously... I just described an action that effectively provides 'reparations' directly to people who are CURRENTLY being exploited by a racist system, giving them the clear opportunities that they CHOOSE, EVERY single time they have the ability to do so... while also maintaining the political power for their choice of representatives... historically Democrats... No political dilution by gentrification... If you disagree with my idea, that's fine... but you'd better be smart or informed enough to back it up... because I'm clearly no fool.

and you're not too busy to tell me to read a book, but you're too busy to respond to real ideas. I suspect its really that you're either too ingrained in 'left/right' dogma that you just don't know any better, or you lack the intellectual integrity to engage in legitimate discussion. I'll let you decide... but your actions speak louder than your words.

(04-16-2021 08:58 AM)Danforth Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 06:25 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 04:04 PM)NCeagle Wrote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5M-lonlfi4&t=130s

kid is running, cop yells to stop and put his hands up, the kid stops and puts his hands up, and gets shot.....

running from the cops is not a crime punishable by death.

He visibly had a gun, crouched behind a fence, tossed and turned in a matter of a second or maybe 2....

The officer had to make a literal split second decision if he thought the turning suspect was turning with the weapon he saw him with...

Dont be a dummy and think officers are super human who can slowmo situations like this.

Facts are the kid was 13 years old and running the streets at 230am. The kid is dead because his parents had no effin clue what he wad doing or where he was.

Another tragic situation that could have been 100% avoided if the suspect wasnt gang bangin around.



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I don't have an opinion either way because I haven't seen anything regarding this story but I have often heard people say, when under stressful situations such as these, that everything seemed to happen in slow motion.

Isn't there something to the notion that under high stress, the adrenaline in a person actually causes an individual to focus and process much faster than normal?

No offense, I really cant take you seriously.

I feel like the questions you ask here are purposefully trolling.





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(04-15-2021 02:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  For the time period from 2015 through 2020 black people were fatally shot by police at a rate of 35 per million people, vs white people were shot at a rate of 14 per million people.

Comparing raw numbers is stupid when the population sizes are different, black people are being killed by police at over twice the rate of white people.

But you need to focus the subset to make those numbers more meaningful.

The "overall" population isn't the statistical group being affected by LEO shootings.

People who come in contact with LEO's are the ones being affected.

That's why I narrowed it down to those arrested. It give a much closer basis for comparison when saying what percentage of whites/blacks are shot by police.

So, with my calculations, based upon published FBI crime stats and the Washington Post shooting database, (of people arrested) 12.9 of 100,000 whites were shot by police, while 14.1 of blacks were shot by police.

While that shows that blacks are shot at about a 10% higher rate than whites, it certainly doesn't fit the insane narrative that being shot by a cop is "a black thing."

And further noting that of ALL blacks arrested, 0.014% of those arrested are shot and killed by police. Meaning 99.986 of all blacks who are arrested aren't being "summarily executed" by the government. And surely it is hyperbole to say "a generation" of black youth are being "exterminated" at the hands of law enforcement.

And for comparison...99.987% of whites arrested aren't being shot and killed by police.

(04-15-2021 02:29 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 08:37 AM)Danforth Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 03:59 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 02:22 PM)Danforth Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 09:44 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  It's actually 568 whites, as of today.

29 were unarmed.

In that same time, 295 blacks have been shot. 21 were unarmed.

Also in that same time, 203 Hispanics have been shot. 10 were unarmed.

Finally, 1,229 men have been shot compared to 54 females. 60 males were unarmed. 5 females were unarmed.

If your numbers are correct then it does seem like unarmed Black men are shot more often than others.

I'm glad we cleared that up.

Is that because they resist arrest more often than others? Try to take the officer's weapon more often than others? Get stopped with outstanding warrants more often than others? This is not so cut&dried as you make it out to be.

Why would black people resist arrest more than others?

Do I look stupid enough to try and answer that question?

Were you not the person who said black people resist more often than others?

Why would you make such a statement without knowing whether or not that is true?

(04-16-2021 12:04 PM)Danforth Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 02:29 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 08:37 AM)Danforth Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 03:59 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(04-14-2021 02:22 PM)Danforth Wrote:  If your numbers are correct then it does seem like unarmed Black men are shot more often than others.

I'm glad we cleared that up.

Is that because they resist arrest more often than others? Try to take the officer's weapon more often than others? Get stopped with outstanding warrants more often than others? This is not so cut&dried as you make it out to be.

Why would black people resist arrest more than others?

Do I look stupid enough to try and answer that question?

Were you not the person who said black people resist more often than others?

Why would you make such a statement without knowing whether or not that is true?

Someone needs to go back to grammar classes...