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(04-09-2021 02:49 PM)Cowboy Frog Wrote:  I have seen UConn play .... They DONT Have Football ..!!!

But technically they attempt football. And our reach must exceed our grasp, or else what's a heaven for?

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(04-09-2021 03:13 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Does the original poster get the "most uninformed post of the month" award ??

There is a post suggesting that the Zags raise the level of the WCC by having BYU join, so it's a tough competition this month. I think that one would edge this one out, as at least this one is posed as a question.
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(04-09-2021 09:00 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 03:13 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Does the original poster get the "most uninformed post of the month" award ??

There is a post suggesting that the Zags raise the level of the WCC by having BYU join, so it's a tough competition this month. I think that one would edge this one out, as at least this one is posed as a question.

That was another DavidSt gem, as I recall. We'd need to modify the award to "Most Uninformed Non-DavidSt Post of the Month", or else he'd win every time.
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(04-10-2021 08:57 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:00 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 03:13 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Does the original poster get the "most uninformed post of the month" award ??

There is a post suggesting that the Zags raise the level of the WCC by having BYU join, so it's a tough competition this month. I think that one would edge this one out, as at least this one is posed as a question.

That was another DavidSt gem, as I recall. We'd need to modify the award to "Most Uninformed Non-DavidSt Post of the Month", or else he'd win every time.


I haven't seen a DavidSt post in a while. I hope he hasn't left the board. I actually feel (and have noted this previously) he brings a lot of positives to the table.
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If David has left, I wouldn't blame him.
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(04-10-2021 10:48 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(04-10-2021 08:57 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:00 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 03:13 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Does the original poster get the "most uninformed post of the month" award ??

There is a post suggesting that the Zags raise the level of the WCC by having BYU join, so it's a tough competition this month. I think that one would edge this one out, as at least this one is posed as a question.

That was another DavidSt gem, as I recall. We'd need to modify the award to "Most Uninformed Non-DavidSt Post of the Month", or else he'd win every time.


I haven't seen a DavidSt post in a while. I hope he hasn't left the board. I actually feel (and have noted this previously) he brings a lot of positives to the table.

Oh don’t worry guys, He’s firing fast and furiously on the incarnate word to the WAC thread. He wants West Texas A&M in the WAC over IW.
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(04-10-2021 01:12 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  If David has left, I wouldn't blame him.

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Hahahahaha....
You are a tough one to figure out....like David St you have strange obsessions in your posts that you repeat often.
You think Army, Navy & AF should go down to FCS.
You don’t think Notre Dame or BYU should be Independent but your very own school is.——-???
You definitely don’t like the size of the NCAA basketball tournament; You want it much smaller.
You definitely dislike ECU for some reason.

I like you and suspect you are very young and new to this, but sometimes your trolling doesn’t make any sense. I love a good troll. I like to consider myself as a pretty solid troll.—just very misunderstood.
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Billy: I WISH I was young! I'm 43. I have ZERO beef with ECU! Dunno why you think that. I don't want the academies to drop but most other posters here have ZERO regard for schools that lack pedigree. I believer EVERYONE should be treated as equally as possible.
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(04-10-2021 03:14 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Billy: I WISH I was young! I'm 43. I have ZERO beef with ECU! Dunno why you think that. I don't want the academies to drop but most other posters here have ZERO regard for schools that lack pedigree. I believer EVERYONE should be treated as equally as possible.

I think the opposite is the case here. Most of us on here are fans of schools that "lack pedigree" and as a result do have regard for such fellow schools. Unfortunately all schools are not equal though and there clearly are differing levels of "pedigree".
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Cat: I think another way to say it: I want to treat ALL student athletes equally and give them the tools to best take advantage of their athletic gifts. Most here only care about the athletes in sports that have a significant college and professional following.
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(04-10-2021 03:59 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Cat: I think another way to say it: I want to treat ALL student athletes equally and give them the tools to best take advantage of their athletic gifts. Most here only care about the athletes in sports that have a significant college and professional following.

Ohh I see. Well thats fair. In what ways do you think athletes are not treated equally and given the tools to best take advantage of their athletic gifts?
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Most big-time male basketball players and football players barely pay lip service to actually going to class.
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(04-10-2021 01:12 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  If David has left, I wouldn't blame him.

I wouldn't either. He gets roughed up some on this board.
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(04-10-2021 02:20 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-10-2021 10:48 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(04-10-2021 08:57 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:00 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 03:13 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Does the original poster get the "most uninformed post of the month" award ??

There is a post suggesting that the Zags raise the level of the WCC by having BYU join, so it's a tough competition this month. I think that one would edge this one out, as at least this one is posed as a question.

That was another DavidSt gem, as I recall. We'd need to modify the award to "Most Uninformed Non-DavidSt Post of the Month", or else he'd win every time.


I haven't seen a DavidSt post in a while. I hope he hasn't left the board. I actually feel (and have noted this previously) he brings a lot of positives to the table.

Oh don’t worry guys, He’s firing fast and furiously on the incarnate word to the WAC thread. He wants West Texas A&M in the WAC over IW.


Excellent. Glad he's still posting. I might check that thread.
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(04-10-2021 04:14 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Most big-time male basketball players and football players barely pay lip service to actually going to class.

To be fair to those players, they are doing what they are being paid to do. If Microsoft hires someone because he is great at writing code, they don't want him spending a lot of his time painting landscapes. It's no different with athletes, nor should it be.
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(04-09-2021 07:37 AM)whittx Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 06:40 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Yes

There was a time when the non scholarship FCS programs (think of those that populate the Pioneer League) played D3 football and had rest of sports in D1

Based on Dayton football history, this ended in 1992

That would be right. NCAA required all sports to D1, including football. This is why we have the Pioneer League and NEC football in D1.

There are only three schools in FBS conferences that don't play football. There are 100 schools that play D-I basketball but not football, and 39 schools that play D-I football in a different conference than the one they play hoops in.
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(04-10-2021 03:32 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(04-10-2021 03:14 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Billy: I WISH I was young! I'm 43. I have ZERO beef with ECU! Dunno why you think that. I don't want the academies to drop but most other posters here have ZERO regard for schools that lack pedigree. I believer EVERYONE should be treated as equally as possible.

I think the opposite is the case here. Most of us on here are fans of schools that "lack pedigree" and as a result do have regard for such fellow schools. Unfortunately all schools are not equal though and there clearly are differing levels of "pedigree".

From one 43 year old to another 43 year old, let me say this:. I have the utmost respect for the academies. However, getting into the USNA (Navy/Marines), the USMA (Army), the USAFA (Air Force/Space Force), the USCGA (Coast Guard) and the USMMA (Merchant Marine) is extremely difficult. You must be sponsored by an congressman/congresswoman or a senator. Not easy at all!!!!
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Dawg: EXACTLY! Most D-1 football/basketball players wouldn't last a week there! They ALSO expect you to actually go to class (REAL classes)
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(04-11-2021 02:21 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Dhawg: EXACTLY! Most D-1 football/basketball players wouldn't last a week there! They ALSO expect you to actually go to class (REAL classes)

And also have physical fitness requirements that do not always line up with the ideal for every line position ... especially Army, which is why they normally have the lightest D line and O line or close to it in FBS football. Not many Wisconsin offensive linemen would take to going out on an Army field exercise.

However, I have to object to David St. being reputed as the author of jgkojak's post suggesting that if the Zags could convince BYU to join the WCC it would improve their chance of winning the national championship. I occasionally give David St. some grief for some of the things he writes, but that is no reason for giving him grief for something written under a different byline.
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(04-11-2021 02:53 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(04-11-2021 02:21 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Dhawg: EXACTLY! Most D-1 football/basketball players wouldn't last a week there! They ALSO expect you to actually go to class (REAL classes)

And also have physical fitness requirements that do not always line up with the ideal for every line position ... especially Army, which is why they normally have the lightest D line and O line or close to it in FBS football. Not many Wisconsin offensive linemen would take to going out on an Army field exercise.

However, I have to object to David St. being reputed as the author of jgkojak's post suggesting that if the Zags could convince BYU to join the WCC it would improve their chance of winning the national championship. I occasionally give David St. some grief for some of the things he writes, but that is no reason for giving him grief for something written under a different byline.

Army "recruits" cadets, not football players. Yet, a large percentage of the Corps were star football players in high school. That's because the army has learned over decades that men who excel in team sports, especially combat sports like football, make good army officers.

After all is said and done, performance matters. Over the last five full regular football seasons, Navy ranked #53 in the FBS (out of 130) in average strength as measured by their Sagarin ratings. Air Force ranked #65 and Army was #83. That suggests that FBS - specifically, G5 FBS - is the proper level for them to be playing in.
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(04-11-2021 07:55 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(04-11-2021 02:53 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(04-11-2021 02:21 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Dhawg: EXACTLY! Most D-1 football/basketball players wouldn't last a week there! They ALSO expect you to actually go to class (REAL classes)

And also have physical fitness requirements that do not always line up with the ideal for every line position ... especially Army, which is why they normally have the lightest D line and O line or close to it in FBS football. Not many Wisconsin offensive linemen would take to going out on an Army field exercise.

However, I have to object to David St. being reputed as the author of jgkojak's post suggesting that if the Zags could convince BYU to join the WCC it would improve their chance of winning the national championship. I occasionally give David St. some grief for some of the things he writes, but that is no reason for giving him grief for something written under a different byline.

Army "recruits" cadets, not football players. Yet, a large percentage of the Corps were star football players in high school. That's because the army has learned over decades that men who excel in team sports, especially combat sports like football, make good army officers.

After all is said and done, performance matters. Over the last five full regular football seasons, Navy ranked #53 in the FBS (out of 130) in average strength as measured by their Sagarin ratings. Air Force ranked #65 and Army was #83. That suggests that FBS - specifically, G5 FBS - is the proper level for them to be playing in.

I didn't say and wasn't suggesting that the lighter O and D lines implies that Army shouldn't be playing FBS football. Obviously they play schemes that rely on line and team discipline to offset their size limitations, and for the same collection of reasons, they tend to have greater than average team discipline.
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