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RE: University of Hartford considering dropping down from Division 1
(06-23-2022 04:25 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(06-22-2022 01:15 PM)solohawks Wrote:  What are the positives they have seen dropping to D3?

What are the negatives they have seen dropping to D3?

The positives are they cut the athletic budget by several $million, and now students will be paying tuition to be on teams rather than getting scholarships. They obviously don't think it will impact enrollment at all -- they didn't have a significant fan base among the students. The negative is the press and some donations lost -- but they think that will be limited to the athletic department, and will be considerably smaller than the cost savings.

I suspect they also see D-II as associated with more academically focused schools in New England, so may in fact be a positive in the long run for enrollment.

That's my WAG on the reasoning. But it took guts to follow through because the professional sports lobby (people who make their living off D-I, whether press or athletic department people or invested athletic donors) always brings down hell on school Presidents who try to drop down. For a school President to do that is like a Republican congressional member voting for gun control, as they know they'll get primaried with a ton of NRA money behind it.

Very true. And I would add one other reason it took guts - it also could well hurt his efforts to land another job, as universities generally see themselves as being in "growth" mode, not "retrenchment" mode. Not always, but usually. So if you're a university admin interviewing for other jobs, showing that a program, any program, grew on your watch is a feather in the cap. But if programs were cut or viewed as being "demoted" on your watch, that is an uncomfortable thing that requires explanation and likely will count against you. Not in all situations, but most.

IMO, this is one reason, not the only reason, but one reason why when schools decide to change something about their football, it almost always is something perceived as a 'growth' move, like moving from D2 to FCS or FCS to FBS, not a 'demotion' move. Even if doing so will likely mean much higher athletic expenses, more fees on students, etc. without the guarantee of benefits that outweigh those costs. Growing athletics looks good on the resume, and admins don't have to pay the fees that are then assessed to students, etc.
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06-23-2022 08:37 AM
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RE: University of Hartford considering dropping down from Division 1
As Bill Parcells once said, "you are who your schedule says you are." Hartford is banking that Division III will position it as a comparable academic choice among the liberal arts colleges of new England; yet, no one will confuse them with Amherst or Bowdoin. Instead, they are aligned with generic and somewhat underfunded schools (Curry, Endicott, Western New England) which are not prepared for the coming decline of high school students from New England.
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RE: University of Hartford considering dropping down from Division 1
(06-23-2022 08:42 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  As Bill Parcells once said, "you are who your schedule says you are." Hartford is banking that Division III will position it as a comparable academic choice among the liberal arts colleges of new England; yet, no one will confuse them with Amherst or Bowdoin. Instead, they are aligned with generic and somewhat underfunded schools (Curry, Endicott, Western New England) which are not prepared for the coming decline of high school students from New England.
I don't know that Hartford ever sought to be compared to Amherst or Bowdoin or other liberal arts colleges. It was founded in 1957, and could be seen more as a failure of the state of Connecticut to fund public education ("we have Yale, why do we need another school in Hartford.").

I think it actually fits the profile of many of the other schools in the CCC which appear to be oriented more towards practical educations in the sense that graduates will be able to use their majors in their careers.
06-23-2022 07:31 PM
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