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RE: University of Hartford considering dropping down from Division 1
(04-09-2021 09:34 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:28 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Maybe AEast and Northeastern can work out a deal #fingerscrossed

Does Northeastern want to return to a more regional conference?

I would if I were them.

Why go to SC,NC, and VA every year for a 14 to 16 seed. You can do that in the AEast for a lot less

Northeastern joined the CAA for football.

That's not an issue anymore either and the prestige level is equal
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(04-09-2021 09:28 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Maybe AEast and Northeastern can work out a deal #fingerscrossed

I think that's too big of a prestige drop. Especially since they used to be a member. Not that the CAA is super prestigious, but it's definitely more so than AmEast.
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RE: University of Hartford considering dropping down from Division 1
(04-09-2021 09:37 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:34 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:28 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Maybe AEast and Northeastern can work out a deal #fingerscrossed

Does Northeastern want to return to a more regional conference?

I would if I were them.

Why go to SC,NC, and VA every year for a 14 to 16 seed. You can do that in the AEast for a lot less

Northeastern joined the CAA for football.

That's not an issue anymore either and the prestige level is equal

To the bolded point, that doesn't make sense. Northeastern joined the CAA in 2005, two years before A-10 football moved to the CAA. It's true that their joining the CAA gave that conference 6 FB-playing schools, which led to the transfer of the FB wing from the A-10 to the CAA. However, the fate of their FB program doesn't seem to have motivated Northeastern, especially since they dropped FB after just 3 seasons in the CAA.
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RE: University of Hartford considering dropping down from Division 1
(04-09-2021 09:34 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:28 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Maybe AEast and Northeastern can work out a deal #fingerscrossed

Does Northeastern want to return to a more regional conference?

Not that this would be a factor, but Northeastern’s golden age was in America East (then a different name) back in the Reggie Lewis/Jim Calhoun era.
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RE: University of Hartford considering dropping down from Division 1
(04-09-2021 09:51 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:37 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
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(04-09-2021 09:28 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Maybe AEast and Northeastern can work out a deal #fingerscrossed

Does Northeastern want to return to a more regional conference?

I would if I were them.

Why go to SC,NC, and VA every year for a 14 to 16 seed. You can do that in the AEast for a lot less

Northeastern joined the CAA for football.

That's not an issue anymore either and the prestige level is equal

To the bolded point, that doesn't make sense. Northeastern joined the CAA in 2005, two years before A-10 football moved to the CAA. It's true that their joining the CAA gave that conference 6 FB-playing schools, which led to the transfer of the FB wing from the A-10 to the CAA. However, the fate of their FB program doesn't seem to have motivated Northeastern, especially since they dropped FB after just 3 seasons in the CAA.

Northeastern joined the CAA to be football school #6.

Getting that #6 and football under the CAA banner was a goal the confernce had.

At the time joining the CAA made sense allowing virtually all sports but hockey to be played under the same banner.

Now, if I'm Northeastern, why am in the CAA if I have other regional options?
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RE: University of Hartford considering dropping down from Division 1
(04-09-2021 09:58 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:51 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:37 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:34 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:28 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Maybe AEast and Northeastern can work out a deal #fingerscrossed

Does Northeastern want to return to a more regional conference?

I would if I were them.

Why go to SC,NC, and VA every year for a 14 to 16 seed. You can do that in the AEast for a lot less

Northeastern joined the CAA for football.

That's not an issue anymore either and the prestige level is equal

To the bolded point, that doesn't make sense. Northeastern joined the CAA in 2005, two years before A-10 football moved to the CAA. It's true that their joining the CAA gave that conference 6 FB-playing schools, which led to the transfer of the FB wing from the A-10 to the CAA. However, the fate of their FB program doesn't seem to have motivated Northeastern, especially since they dropped FB after just 3 seasons in the CAA.

Northeastern joined the CAA to be football school #6.

Getting that #6 and football under the CAA banner was a goal the confernce had.

At the time joining the CAA made sense allowing virtually all sports but hockey to be played under the same banner.

Now, if I'm Northeastern, why am in the CAA if I have other regional options?

The CAA had a goal to get 6 FB schools, and Northeastern was the 6th, but it doesn't appear as though Northeastern's primary reason for moving to the CAA had anything to do with their FB program. I figure that primary reason was simply moving to a more prestigious conference.
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RE: University of Hartford considering dropping down from Division 1
(04-09-2021 10:10 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:58 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:51 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:37 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:34 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Does Northeastern want to return to a more regional conference?

I would if I were them.

Why go to SC,NC, and VA every year for a 14 to 16 seed. You can do that in the AEast for a lot less

Northeastern joined the CAA for football.

That's not an issue anymore either and the prestige level is equal

To the bolded point, that doesn't make sense. Northeastern joined the CAA in 2005, two years before A-10 football moved to the CAA. It's true that their joining the CAA gave that conference 6 FB-playing schools, which led to the transfer of the FB wing from the A-10 to the CAA. However, the fate of their FB program doesn't seem to have motivated Northeastern, especially since they dropped FB after just 3 seasons in the CAA.

Northeastern joined the CAA to be football school #6.

Getting that #6 and football under the CAA banner was a goal the confernce had.

At the time joining the CAA made sense allowing virtually all sports but hockey to be played under the same banner.

Now, if I'm Northeastern, why am in the CAA if I have other regional options?

The CAA had a goal to get 6 FB schools, and Northeastern was the 6th, but it doesn't appear as though Northeastern's primary reason for moving to the CAA had anything to do with their FB program. I figure that primary reason was simply moving to a more prestigious conference.

They leveraged their football to get into the CAA which at the time was more prestigious than the AEast.

A lot has changed since then
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RE: University of Hartford considering dropping down from Division 1
But does New Hampshire want out of CAAF? They maybe happy to stay. Would the AE be willing to gamble on losing NH by pushing football?
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(04-09-2021 09:34 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:28 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Maybe AEast and Northeastern can work out a deal #fingerscrossed

Does Northeastern want to return to a more regional conference?

The CAA's (only?) upside is it gets schools in media markets where they recruit students and have alumni bases. You have schools in Boston, NYC, Philly, Baltimore, and some mid sized southern towns like Wilmington, Charleston, Greensboro, and the Hampton Roads. I don't know how much NU values that, I do know W&M likes hitting the cities.
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RE: University of Hartford considering dropping down from Division 1
(04-09-2021 10:12 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 10:10 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:58 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:51 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:37 AM)solohawks Wrote:  I would if I were them.

Why go to SC,NC, and VA every year for a 14 to 16 seed. You can do that in the AEast for a lot less

Northeastern joined the CAA for football.

That's not an issue anymore either and the prestige level is equal

To the bolded point, that doesn't make sense. Northeastern joined the CAA in 2005, two years before A-10 football moved to the CAA. It's true that their joining the CAA gave that conference 6 FB-playing schools, which led to the transfer of the FB wing from the A-10 to the CAA. However, the fate of their FB program doesn't seem to have motivated Northeastern, especially since they dropped FB after just 3 seasons in the CAA.

Northeastern joined the CAA to be football school #6.

Getting that #6 and football under the CAA banner was a goal the confernce had.

At the time joining the CAA made sense allowing virtually all sports but hockey to be played under the same banner.

Now, if I'm Northeastern, why am in the CAA if I have other regional options?

The CAA had a goal to get 6 FB schools, and Northeastern was the 6th, but it doesn't appear as though Northeastern's primary reason for moving to the CAA had anything to do with their FB program. I figure that primary reason was simply moving to a more prestigious conference.

They leveraged their football to get into the CAA which at the time was more prestigious than the AEast.

A lot has changed since then

Right, so Northeastern used FB as a tool to get into a more prestigious conference, then ditched FB a few years later. So FB was not the reason that Northeastern wanted to move to the CAA.
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(04-09-2021 10:28 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 10:12 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 10:10 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:58 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 09:51 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  To the bolded point, that doesn't make sense. Northeastern joined the CAA in 2005, two years before A-10 football moved to the CAA. It's true that their joining the CAA gave that conference 6 FB-playing schools, which led to the transfer of the FB wing from the A-10 to the CAA. However, the fate of their FB program doesn't seem to have motivated Northeastern, especially since they dropped FB after just 3 seasons in the CAA.

Northeastern joined the CAA to be football school #6.

Getting that #6 and football under the CAA banner was a goal the confernce had.

At the time joining the CAA made sense allowing virtually all sports but hockey to be played under the same banner.

Now, if I'm Northeastern, why am in the CAA if I have other regional options?

The CAA had a goal to get 6 FB schools, and Northeastern was the 6th, but it doesn't appear as though Northeastern's primary reason for moving to the CAA had anything to do with their FB program. I figure that primary reason was simply moving to a more prestigious conference.

They leveraged their football to get into the CAA which at the time was more prestigious than the AEast.

A lot has changed since then

Right, so Northeastern used FB as a tool to get into a more prestigious conference, then ditched FB a few years later. So FB was not the reason that Northeastern wanted to move to the CAA.

But it was the ultimate reason they joined the CAA
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RE: University of Hartford considering dropping down from Division 1
1. Hartford has taken issue with the station's reporting. This seems more like it was intended as aa wake up call to UH's donors that they need more support, and not as an actual impending action plan.

2. The AE schools that play CAA Football do not want to drop out of that league to play in an AE football league. They are competitive in the CAA, have a deep history with the CAA schools, and recruit heavily in the mid-Atlantic. Downgrading to a local league would hurt recruiting and largely limit it to the conference's footprint, it would decrease the number of at large bids available, and it would hurt fan interest.

3. Without an AE football league for CCSU or Merrimack or Bryant or Bentley to join, they will have nowhere to play football. The NEC has been clear that if you leave the all sports league you are not welcome in the football conference as an affiliate. The Big South is undergoing its own shakeup, so there isn't even the "Monmouth path" available right now.

4. Northeastern isn't coming back. I'm sure AE would take them in a heartbeat, but NU has always been a nouveau riche striver. They aren't going to downgrade ANYTHING.
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(04-08-2021 11:30 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 10:26 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  “Everyone thinks you make tournament, you hit the jackpot. We didn’t get a cent from the tournament...” said Woodward.

False.

"Units are awarded for each game played, minus the championship. A school can earn a maximum of five units for its conference in a single March Madness run. This year’s units carry a $337,141 annual value, according to the NCAA...Since units are paid out in annual distributions over a rolling six-year period, each one earned during the 2021 tournament will be worth a total of at least $1.68 million for the recipient conferences by the time it is fully paid out in 2027."

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/college...234625231/

The conference gets the money, not the school. How the conference distributes it is up to the conference, but is usually equal. So his statement is correct.
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(04-09-2021 12:07 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  The fact the feasibility study concludes moving to D3 rather than offering up ways to improve the bottom line (ie. dropping sports) and the university president is already making the rounds publicly means this could very well be close to a done deal.

Usually consultants are hired to justify decisions the CEOs have already made, or to confirm decisions almost made.
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The CAA football schools felt betrayed by Northeastern and Hofstra for dropping their football programs. If they knew what they were going to do? They would not have invited them but instead invite schools like Stony Brook and Albany who would love to move. Now, you have a lot of disgruntled CAA members with football thanks to them.
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(04-09-2021 12:30 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  1. Hartford has taken issue with the station's reporting. This seems more like it was intended as aa wake up call to UH's donors that they need more support, and not as an actual impending action plan.

Idk, the Hartford President in that video seemed pretty adamant D1 isn’t the answer, especially with his thing about how they made nothing off the NCAA Tournament.
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(04-09-2021 01:54 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 12:30 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  1. Hartford has taken issue with the station's reporting. This seems more like it was intended as aa wake up call to UH's donors that they need more support, and not as an actual impending action plan.

Idk, the Hartford President in that video seemed pretty adamant D1 isn’t the answer, especially with his thing about how they made nothing off the NCAA Tournament.

Yeah and he seemed mad it came out not on his terms. If this was for donors he wouldn't have been upset it came out

Like any bureaucracy, ending it requires careful planning as people will fight like hell to defend it
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(04-09-2021 11:07 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-09-2021 10:28 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
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(04-09-2021 09:58 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Northeastern joined the CAA to be football school #6.

Getting that #6 and football under the CAA banner was a goal the confernce had.

At the time joining the CAA made sense allowing virtually all sports but hockey to be played under the same banner.

Now, if I'm Northeastern, why am in the CAA if I have other regional options?

The CAA had a goal to get 6 FB schools, and Northeastern was the 6th, but it doesn't appear as though Northeastern's primary reason for moving to the CAA had anything to do with their FB program. I figure that primary reason was simply moving to a more prestigious conference.

They leveraged their football to get into the CAA which at the time was more prestigious than the AEast.

A lot has changed since then

Right, so Northeastern used FB as a tool to get into a more prestigious conference, then ditched FB a few years later. So FB was not the reason that Northeastern wanted to move to the CAA.

But it was the ultimate reason they joined the CAA

You said "Northeastern joined the CAA for football", implying that Northeastern's primary motivation for joining the CAA was for a home for its FB program. Our discussion just showed that was incorrect, that they joined the CAA because it was a step up from AmEast, and FB was merely a tool to gain an invite that Northeastern quickly threw away when they didn't need it anymore. OK?
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Ill add a clarifying statement:

Northeastern joined the CAA for football.

At the time the CAA needed a 6th football school and NE wanted to be that school
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(04-09-2021 02:10 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Ill add a clarifying statement:

Northeastern joined the CAA for football.

At the time the CAA needed a 6th football school and NE wanted to be that school

So the CAA wanted a 6th football school. However, Northeastern simply wanted to move from AmEast to the CAA, and it just so happened to have football, which is one reason why the CAA invited them. Football was a means to an end for Northeastern and not the end itself, as you're suggesting. That's why they dropped FB a few years after joining. You see the difference now?
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