Constitutional or not...this EO won't make one bit of difference. Not one.
If someone is he11 bent on killing they will do it with or without a gun.
Box trucks have been weaponized to kill.
Planes have been weaponized to kill.
Pressure cookers have been weaponized to kill.

(04-08-2021 04:15 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 04:07 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 03:45 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 03:27 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  The whole Ghost Gun issue is truly a "cat's already out of the bag" issue. Home-made weapons are legal by BATF interpretation as of this moment and every moment in the past. If you want to make a gun at home, you can just say you made it at this moment or any moment in the past, and no one can prove otherwise. Furthermore, the BATF is charged with regulating guns. Specifically, receivers (and, inconsistently, "silencers", but we will put that aside for now). An 80% lower is not a gun. It is a paperweight. It is not functional, so it can not be a gun. Therefore, the BATF can not regulate it.

I would imagine they could change the determination of when the lower becomes a firearm. They have killed off some “solvent trap” and 80% lower companies because they did too much of the work, they didn’t meet the burden having the end user complete 20% of the build. What happens if they move the goal post from 80% to 50% or 40%. Like much of the policy of the ATF the 80% standard was set through a series of inquiry letters and the ATF response, none of it is really spelled out in law. They have gone back and changed their position in the past from previous determination letters.

The sticking point to moving the goalpost on the 80% lowers (which they have in the past when they decided you can’t have ANY of the fire control area pre milled) is 3d printing. You can make a glock frame on a 3d printer from scratch with the only purchase being the rails.

All of that is very true (regardless of your views of whether or not it is constitutional), but none of that changes the fact that 80% lowers are legal NOW, and you could make one at any point in the future and claim you made it on the 8th of March 2021. And no one could prove otherwise.

Bumpstocks were legal and then made illegal and instructed to destroy, they banned them with no grandfather clause. Depends on what they do from a grandfather clause perspective.

I don't think it is constitutional, but what happens if they say any gun that wasn't made by a registered manufacturer for sale and sold on a 4473 needs to be turned in and destroyed?

Molon Labe.

(04-08-2021 04:55 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 03:17 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Uh, no. It's not Joe. No it's not. If you want to further regulate firearms, be a man and repeal the 2nd Amendment. Otherwise, STFU.

Let us know when you are part of a well regulated militia. Otherwise STFU

That interpretation has been duly rejected numerous times, why are you spreading lies? You can't be that stupid.

(04-08-2021 05:04 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 04:55 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  ...... STFU

This. This right here is the left's MO. To silence their opposition by any means necessary.

Well, they can't present a merit based argument so this is all they have left.

(04-08-2021 03:35 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I’ve been saying since trump reclassified bump stocks as machines guns through executive action that pistol braces would be next.

Is there any detailed context to the pistol brace piece? Does the brace have to be destroyed like a bump stock. Does it become a grandfathered SBR?

It will be interesting to see how the courts pushback on trumps bumpstock ban impacts this.

Do you realize how many products there are that transform a handgun? They are endless

Guns are not the problem, stop the effin insanity

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(04-08-2021 04:55 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 03:17 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Uh, no. It's not Joe. No it's not. If you want to further regulate firearms, be a man and repeal the 2nd Amendment. Otherwise, STFU.

Let us know when you are part of a well regulated militia. Otherwise STFU

Look at this leftist clown troll, been hidding under a rock for a few years huh

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"....shall not be infringed".

(04-08-2021 05:57 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  Constitutional or not...this EO won't make one bit of difference. Not one.
If someone is he11 bent on killing they will do it with or without a gun.
Box trucks have been weaponized to kill.
Planes have been weaponized to kill.
Pressure cookers have been weaponized to kill.

The UK is a prime example, especially in the London area. They have a lot of knife stabbings, so much so that if you order a kitchen knife set on Amazon, it has to be sent to the local police station and registered, then you can pick it up.

(04-08-2021 06:08 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 04:55 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 03:17 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Uh, no. It's not Joe. No it's not. If you want to further regulate firearms, be a man and repeal the 2nd Amendment. Otherwise, STFU.

Let us know when you are part of a well regulated militia. Otherwise STFU

That interpretation has been duly rejected numerous times, why are you spreading lies? You can't be that stupid.

It has only been duly rejected by people with an interest in rejecting it.

(04-08-2021 05:01 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 04:55 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 03:17 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Uh, no. It's not Joe. No it's not. If you want to further regulate firearms, be a man and repeal the 2nd Amendment. Otherwise, STFU.

Let us know when you are part of a well regulated militia. Otherwise STFU

Ha, joke's on you. I AM. So YOU STFU.

Running around in the woods playing paintbsll does not count.

(04-08-2021 06:26 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 04:55 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 03:17 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Uh, no. It's not Joe. No it's not. If you want to further regulate firearms, be a man and repeal the 2nd Amendment. Otherwise, STFU.

Let us know when you are part of a well regulated militia. Otherwise STFU

Look at this leftist clown troll, been hidding under a rock for a few years huh

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Not hiding, just got bored with the QAnon echo chamber. But not going to lie, it is fun to come back and watch the mental gymnastics that take place here every once in a while.

(04-08-2021 06:09 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 05:04 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 04:55 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  ...... STFU

This. This right here is the left's MO. To silence their opposition by any means necessary.

Well, they can't present a merit based argument so this is all they have left.

Merit based. WTF are you talking about? It is in the amendment. Period.

Quote:Multiple governors signaled that they will be taking action against Democrat President Joe Biden after Biden officially unveiled his initial plan to attack Second Amendment rights.

Biden announced a series of actions, which he articulated during a press conference where he made multiple false claims, targeting two types of gun parts: pistol braces and chunks of plastic and metal that are unfinished firearms. The Biden administration also will be publishing “model red flag legislation” for states to consider. This comes just a couple of weeks after the Biden administration urged the Supreme Court to uphold a warrantless gun confiscation case.

White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said following Biden’s press conference that the president’s actions were his “initial actions,” that there “will be more,” and that he intends to “use the power of his presidency” to crack down on Americans’ constitutionally protected Second Amendment rights.

Numerous governors immediately pushed back on Biden’s attack on Second Amendment rights and indicated that they will be taking action to protect their residents from Biden’s agenda.

“Biden is threatening our 2nd Amendment rights. He just announced a new liberal power grab to take away our guns,” Texas Governor Greg Abbott ® wrote on Twitter. “We will NOT allow this in TX. It’s time to get legislation making TX a 2nd Amendment Sanctuary State passed and to my desk for signing.”

Alaska Governor Mike Dunleavy ® said that Biden’s actions “won’t save lives or stop criminals,” and would only “disarm law abiding citizens.”

“Alaska is a Second Amendment sanctuary state, and we will be evaluating our options,” Dunleavy said.

“I think it’s out of control and it’s obvious that they can’t get it through Congress and so he’s acting on his own,” Iowa Governor Kim Reynolds ® said. “He’s doing it at a rapid speed. There has not been another president, I don’t think, in history that has implemented the number of Executive Orders that this president has implemented. And the hypocrisy of running as a uniter and a president that was going to bring both parties together and heal this country, he has done anything but that. He is continuing to divide the country and he’s doing it through these outlandish Executive Orders.”

South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem ® highlighted the portion of the Second Amendment that states “shall not be infringed,” writing: “Biden claims that his actions won’t infringe on the 2nd Amendment. That’s false.”

“Taking away guns with Red Flag laws is an infringement,” Noem continued. “Placing new limits on firearms sales is an infringement. Curbing ammo purchases is an infringement.”

Idaho Governor Brad Little ® said that the state will be standing up for its residents’ Second Amendment rights.

“Idaho will not stand for President Biden’s unilateral actions to erode your Second Amendment rights,” Little said. “Idaho’s Congressional delegation and I are in lockstep in our opposition to the President’s actions and his direction to Congress to strip law-abiding Americans of their constitutional right to keep and bear arms.”

Link

The first 10 amendments are our “Bill of Rights” and they shall not be infringed and you commie bastiges can play word footsie all day and nothing will change that and you might just learn that the hard way.

(04-08-2021 06:25 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 03:35 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I’ve been saying since trump reclassified bump stocks as machines guns through executive action that pistol braces would be next.

Is there any detailed context to the pistol brace piece? Does the brace have to be destroyed like a bump stock. Does it become a grandfathered SBR?

It will be interesting to see how the courts pushback on trumps bumpstock ban impacts this.

Do you realize how many products there are that transform a handgun? They are endless

If it transforms a pistol by attaching a real stock then that act is creation of an SBR, if you don't already have the tax stamp in your hand then attaching that real stock to a pistol with a less than 16in barrel is a felony. Full stop, do not pass go on the way to prison. Send you dog to family before the ATF shoots it.

If it transforms a pistol by attaching a stabilizing arm brace then based on currently issued ATF opinion letters it is still a pistol as long as the arm brace is in its original approved configuration and hasn't been modified. It doesn't matter how many there are, they are all based on the same ATF opinion and the ATF has been known to change their opinion. Hell, they decided a shoe string was a machine gun and let that opinion stand for three years before they changed it so that you had to attach the shoestring to the gun.

Although a few years ago there was some concern that mounting a brace equipped pistol to the shoulder and firing could be interpreted as construction of an SBR based on a 2015 opinion letter the ATF released a clarifying opinion that incidental use of the pistol brace mounted to the shoulder didn't qualify as construction of an SBR because it was use of an otherwise legal item. You should never modify a brace from its original configuration (such as adding padding, etc) as this would easily cross the line to construction of an SBR.

(04-08-2021 06:54 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 06:08 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 04:55 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 03:17 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Uh, no. It's not Joe. No it's not. If you want to further regulate firearms, be a man and repeal the 2nd Amendment. Otherwise, STFU.

Let us know when you are part of a well regulated militia. Otherwise STFU

That interpretation has been duly rejected numerous times, why are you spreading lies? You can't be that stupid.

It has only been duly rejected by people with an interest in rejecting it.

Tell it to the SCOTUS dumb***...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER (No. 07-290)
478 F. 3d 370, affirmed.

(04-08-2021 07:01 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 06:09 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 05:04 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 04:55 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  ...... STFU

This. This right here is the left's MO. To silence their opposition by any means necessary.

Well, they can't present a merit based argument so this is all they have left.

Merit based. WTF are you talking about? It is in the amendment. Period.

And again, the courts decided that the right of an individual to bear arms shall not be infringed, it's in the decision.

"...D. C. Circuit reversed, holding that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to possess firearms..."

Held:

1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53.

Dude, STFU and sit down.

(04-08-2021 07:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 06:25 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(04-08-2021 03:35 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  I’ve been saying since trump reclassified bump stocks as machines guns through executive action that pistol braces would be next.

Is there any detailed context to the pistol brace piece? Does the brace have to be destroyed like a bump stock. Does it become a grandfathered SBR?

It will be interesting to see how the courts pushback on trumps bumpstock ban impacts this.

Do you realize how many products there are that transform a handgun? They are endless

If it transforms a pistol by attaching a real stock then that act is creation of an SBR, if you don't already have the tax stamp in your hand then attaching that real stock to a pistol with a less than 16in barrel is a felony. Full stop, do not pass go on the way to prison. Send you dog to family before the ATF shoots it.

If it transforms a pistol by attaching a stabilizing arm brace then based on currently issued ATF opinion letters it is still a pistol as long as the arm brace is in its original approved configuration and hasn't been modified. It doesn't matter how many there are, they are all based on the same ATF opinion and the ATF has been known to change their opinion. Hell, they decided a shoe string was a machine gun and let that opinion stand for three years before they changed it so that you had to attach the shoestring to the gun.

Although a few years ago there was some concern that mounting a brace equipped pistol to the shoulder and firing could be interpreted as construction of an SBR based on a 2015 opinion letter the ATF released a clarifying opinion that incidental use of the pistol brace mounted to the shoulder didn't qualify as construction of an SBR because it was use of an otherwise legal item. You should never modify a brace from its original configuration (such as adding padding, etc) as this would easily cross the line to construction of an SBR.

There was already pressure on the ATF to reverse their policy on braces so I can see them caving into pressure from this administration. If they successfully install their lapdog as director this and a whole lot more may happen.

It will be interesting watching all the red states sue the hell out of the feds over whatever egregious measures the dems attempt.

Quote:Has there been a better political decision in the last five years than blowing up Merrick Garland’s nomination to the Supreme Court by Barack Obama? Some might argue otherwise, but now that we’ve gotten a good look at Garland as Attorney General, it’s apparent the country dodged a bullet.

As I wrote previously (see Does Merrick Garland Even Know What Day It Is?), Garland’s inability to understand basic issues was on full display during his confirmation hearing. He also showed himself to be a typical, left-wing partisan, playing dumb about transgender issues and claiming that Antifa attacking federal property wasn’t domestic terrorism because it happened at night. Despite his awful display, 19 Republicans still voted to confirm him because the GOP remains a mostly useless vestige.

Today, Garland doubled down on the stupidity at Joe Biden’s gun control presser. At one point, he claimed that AR-15 pistols with stabilizing braces are concealable.

Yeah, no. That’s not how any of this works. An AR pistol is not in any way concealable. Here’s a picture for reference for those who don’t know exactly what I’m talking about.

In reality, a regular AR-15 is a far more stable weapon than the pistol version. The pistol version has a shorter barrel which means less velocity. Some stabilizing braces can be brought to the shoulder if the shooter wants, but it’s not comfortable and it’s tougher to aim accurately. In short, going after pistol stabilizing braces is completely pointless from a technical and practical standpoint. Further, they were originally designed for wounded vets and are used by disabled people.

But even if the Biden administration succeeded in successfully banning braces and AR pistols, it would do absolutely nothing to stop gun crime. There will always be something else to shoot or another way to kill if someone has ill intent. There’s a reason the original “assault weapons” ban didn’t change the trajectory of gun violence at all.

Lastly, as I’ve written before, AR-15 variants, including pistols, are some of the least used weapons in crimes despite being incredibly plentiful. We are talking around 0.1% or less of murders with guns being done with an AR.

Politicians are trying to punch a ghost while ignoring the source of most of the violence, which isn’t guns randomly shooting people, but gangs in large, metro areas. Biden’s obsession with “assault weapons” is pure theater. It’s an easy political cudgel that doesn’t actually do anything which makes it right up Biden’s alley.

Link

White House Fact Sheet Describes AR-Pistols with Stabilizer Braces as ‘Concealable’.