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RE: So when is Gonzaga going to a real conference?
(04-07-2021 07:49 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 03:20 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  1. Big East is the perfect fit ... except the geography doesn't work.

If you're Butler or Creighton, maybe. If you're UConn or Georgetown, not even close.

After all, Indianapolis to Spokane is only a 25hr drive, a far cry from the 34hr drive from NYC to Spokane.

All of those are flights for all teams involved ... X, Butler, Marquette and Depaul is just a slightly shorter time in the air than UConn or Georgetown.

And for the four in the Great Lakes, the Zags are a much longer trip than any other trip they currently make in the Big East. Creighton is really the only one where adding the Zags is similar to the travel they already do to Providence or UConn.
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(04-07-2021 07:49 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 03:20 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  1. Big East is the perfect fit ... except the geography doesn't work.

If you're Butler or Creighton, maybe. If you're UConn or Georgetown, not even close.

Creighton president or AD publicly advocated for it. Of course, all the other Big East schools were silent.
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(04-07-2021 08:47 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 07:49 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 03:20 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  1. Big East is the perfect fit ... except the geography doesn't work.

If you're Butler or Creighton, maybe. If you're UConn or Georgetown, not even close.

Creighton president or AD publicly advocated for it. Of course, all the other Big East schools were silent.

Now you know why I'm against Creighton in the Big East.
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(04-07-2021 01:06 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 11:01 AM)VCE Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 04:47 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 09:40 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Add USC to the WCC and its a "real" conference.

07-coffee3

As a former SC season ticket holder I can tell you that would never happen. Not in a million lifetimes....

SC is a PAC program through and through.

Folks in the east tend to write west coast football off but it’s every bit as exciting as SEC, Big Ten or ACC football. Cal vs. Stanford is as big as anything played in the East.

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I can name 5 plus matchups in the SEC that are far bigger.


I think C-Jim means "bigger" in a different way than the "big" SEC games are defined.

The Cal vs. Stanford game involves various interesting elements that go beyond football. If anything, it pits two of the nation's top 10 academic universities and league rivals in DI football. There is no other example of that.

Army vs. Navy is as big as SEC "bigness" too — just in very different ways.

I understand C-Jim's point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Game_(..._football)

Well, it’s not as relevant from a football perspective as AL/Auburn, AL/LSU, Auburn/GA, GA/FL or even AL/TN. Not to mention OSU/UM, UT/OU. ND/USC and ND/Navy are bigger games. I went to an ND/UCLA game in Pasadena about 15 years ago and I doubt any Stanford/Cal game had that level of pregame buzz. Stanford/Cal is like the doug flutie Hail Mary. I’m sure it’s relevant locally, but no one else cares.

And the Ivy League has plenty of top 25 academic matchups.
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(04-07-2021 11:08 PM)VCE Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 01:06 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 11:01 AM)VCE Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 04:47 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 09:40 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Add USC to the WCC and its a "real" conference.

07-coffee3

As a former SC season ticket holder I can tell you that would never happen. Not in a million lifetimes....

SC is a PAC program through and through.

Folks in the east tend to write west coast football off but it’s every bit as exciting as SEC, Big Ten or ACC football. Cal vs. Stanford is as big as anything played in the East.

03-lmfao

I can name 5 plus matchups in the SEC that are far bigger.


I think C-Jim means "bigger" in a different way than the "big" SEC games are defined.

The Cal vs. Stanford game involves various interesting elements that go beyond football. If anything, it pits two of the nation's top 10 academic universities and league rivals in DI football. There is no other example of that.

Army vs. Navy is as big as SEC "bigness" too — just in very different ways.

I understand C-Jim's point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Game_(..._football)

Well, it’s not as relevant from a football perspective as AL/Auburn, AL/LSU, Auburn/GA, GA/FL or even AL/TN. Not to mention OSU/UM, UT/OU. ND/USC and ND/Navy are bigger games. I went to an ND/UCLA game in Pasadena about 15 years ago and I doubt any Stanford/Cal game had that level of pregame buzz. Stanford/Cal is like the doug flutie Hail Mary. I’m sure it’s relevant locally, but no one else cares.

And the Ivy League has plenty of top 25 academic matchups.


I agree with you, VCE. That's why I noted this:

The Cal vs. Stanford game involves various interesting elements that go beyond football.

A comparison would be (and I've made this point previously) why the University of Memphis winning a national championship in basketball would be a bigger deal — "beyond the sport of basketball itself" — than would be the case with most other schools winning the title. In short, there would be historical, racial and social elements that would come into play for a Tiger national title than would be evident if, say, Oregon State ran the table in the Big Dance.

The Cal vs. Stanford football game is simply "different" with its "big dealness." And yes, I agree with you that few outside the fan bases of those two schools care or are aware. But that does not render the game a "non big deal" in the grand scheme of the college football landscape.
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(04-07-2021 11:21 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 11:08 PM)VCE Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 01:06 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 11:01 AM)VCE Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 04:47 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  As a former SC season ticket holder I can tell you that would never happen. Not in a million lifetimes....

SC is a PAC program through and through.

Folks in the east tend to write west coast football off but it’s every bit as exciting as SEC, Big Ten or ACC football. Cal vs. Stanford is as big as anything played in the East.

03-lmfao

I can name 5 plus matchups in the SEC that are far bigger.


I think C-Jim means "bigger" in a different way than the "big" SEC games are defined.

The Cal vs. Stanford game involves various interesting elements that go beyond football. If anything, it pits two of the nation's top 10 academic universities and league rivals in DI football. There is no other example of that.

Army vs. Navy is as big as SEC "bigness" too — just in very different ways.

I understand C-Jim's point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Game_(..._football)

Well, it’s not as relevant from a football perspective as AL/Auburn, AL/LSU, Auburn/GA, GA/FL or even AL/TN. Not to mention OSU/UM, UT/OU. ND/USC and ND/Navy are bigger games. I went to an ND/UCLA game in Pasadena about 15 years ago and I doubt any Stanford/Cal game had that level of pregame buzz. Stanford/Cal is like the doug flutie Hail Mary. I’m sure it’s relevant locally, but no one else cares.

And the Ivy League has plenty of top 25 academic matchups.


I agree with you, VCE. That's why I noted this:

The Cal vs. Stanford game involves various interesting elements that go beyond football.

A comparison would be (and I've made this point previously) why the University of Memphis winning a national championship in basketball would be a bigger deal — "beyond the sport of basketball itself" — than would be the case with most other schools winning the title. In short, there would be historical, racial and social elements that would come into play for a Tiger national title than would be evident if, say, Oregon State ran the table in the Big Dance.

The Cal vs. Stanford football game is simply "different" with its "big dealness." And yes, I agree with you that few outside the fan bases of those two schools care or are aware. But that does not render the game a "non big deal" in the grand scheme of the college football landscape.

I can agree with this. AL/TN is still a big game. 04-cheers
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Know I'm a little late but wanted to weigh in. The idea that conference affiliation is why the Zags lost in the title game is absolutely silly. All year we heard about the Big10 being the best conference in the country. I believe every school in the league ranked in the top 20 in SOS on Kenpom. They put 9 teams in the tournament. 5 as protected seeds and had half the #1s and #2s in the tournament. Yet they got only one team to the 2nd weekend and zero to the final four. Same story for the Big 12. Yah they had Baylor but outside of that, none of the other teams made it to the 2nd weekend. That despite 4 of those 6 teams being protected seeds. So when the two best leagues only put 2 of 16 teams in the 2nd weekend, despite having over half the protected seeds, I think we need to put to rest the idea that you need to play in "tough" league to be prepared to play in the tourney.
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What's a "protected seed"?
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(04-07-2021 11:53 PM)Erictelevision Wrote:  What's a "protected seed"?

Top 4 seed
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(04-07-2021 07:34 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
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(04-06-2021 09:38 AM)jgkojak Wrote:  ... Reverse the Process: WCC brings in better schools
Would BYU consider joining the WCC? Unlikely, but a couple more decent teams would assist Gonzaga as well.

BYU is in the WCC. Any other teams for suggestions???

Wait ... I thought the suggestion was that BYU join again, so they field two basketball teams in the WCC.

Big problem making that fit with NCAA regulations, where they would likely count each team's games against the maximum number of games a single school can play, making it (as the OP admitted) unlikely, but I can see how it might help the strength of the Zag's conference schedule.

I mean, surely nobody would write a post like this and expect it to be taken seriously without first hopping over to Wikipedia to double check the WCC's current makeup.
Ohhhh, you mean get one of the BYU intramural teams to join. Ok, carry on.

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WhoseHouse: I've always heard those called "Sweet Sixteen seeds". Am I right that in the Women's tournament, until recently, they hosted the 1st weekend at their home arenas?
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(04-08-2021 01:37 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  WhoseHouse: I've always heard those called "Sweet Sixteen seeds". Am I right that in the Women's tournament, until recently, they hosted the 1st weekend at their home arenas?

They did from 2015-2019 and I believe the plan once the pandemic is over will be they will go back to hosting.
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(04-06-2021 02:07 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  This discussion could also go the other way.

What the hell is the excuse for schools like LMU, Pepperdine and Santa Clara? They are all in California, they all have beautiful campuses and a good academic profile, they all have access to California talent, they all are in the same spot that Gonzaga was in themselves back in the mid-90s.

Why the heck has LMU not made an NCAA tourney since the Hank Gathers era? Why are Pepperdine and Santa Clara always mediocre at best, why can't they at least get up to a St. Mary's level? Why hasn't Pacific maintained their level of success that they had in the Big West in the 2000s? What happened to San Diego, they had a couple good teams in the 2000s also?

At some point, the rest of the WCC needs to step up too. Right now it's only BYU and St. Mary's who have answered the bell. Some WCC schools (Portland) have much bigger barriers to success, but there are a number of WCC schools that aren't stepping up. They are taking the $$$ that Gonzaga earns them every March but they aren't growing their own programs with that $$$.

This was partly at the core of Gonzaga exploring/leveraging Mountain West membership. Gonzaga was/is tired of feeding the non-contributors. They were able to get out of it with an augmented conference schedule (the basketball enhancement plan) and the double-bye for the top seeds for their tournament. It doesn’t allow the bad teams from the previous season to get a sniff of the good ones coming into their homes, and it protects the top teams from more metrically bad teams by limiting exposure. Gonzaga got Portland once this year. In the old setting, this game could have happened at least twice (a third possible game if no bye’s in the tournament). Portland gets no rub.

The question becomes whether this motivation works for the cellar of the conference. Covid or no, Portland once again will probably get very little of Gonzaga next season. Will it happen again? And again?

I don’t fully disagree that there is some disappointment to be had with the conference. I agree about Pacific, and that looks like one of those acquisitions where the school gets back to where they want to be, only to “settle” once in, feeling like they hit their ideal ceiling. But, you’re seeing signs of life in USF, LMU, and Pepperdine. It’s getting a little better out there in the WCC.
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(04-07-2021 11:30 PM)VCE Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 11:21 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 11:08 PM)VCE Wrote:  
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(04-07-2021 11:01 AM)VCE Wrote:  03-lmfao

I can name 5 plus matchups in the SEC that are far bigger.


I think C-Jim means "bigger" in a different way than the "big" SEC games are defined.

The Cal vs. Stanford game involves various interesting elements that go beyond football. If anything, it pits two of the nation's top 10 academic universities and league rivals in DI football. There is no other example of that.

Army vs. Navy is as big as SEC "bigness" too — just in very different ways.

I understand C-Jim's point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Game_(..._football)

Well, it’s not as relevant from a football perspective as AL/Auburn, AL/LSU, Auburn/GA, GA/FL or even AL/TN. Not to mention OSU/UM, UT/OU. ND/USC and ND/Navy are bigger games. I went to an ND/UCLA game in Pasadena about 15 years ago and I doubt any Stanford/Cal game had that level of pregame buzz. Stanford/Cal is like the doug flutie Hail Mary. I’m sure it’s relevant locally, but no one else cares.

And the Ivy League has plenty of top 25 academic matchups.


I agree with you, VCE. That's why I noted this:

The Cal vs. Stanford game involves various interesting elements that go beyond football.

A comparison would be (and I've made this point previously) why the University of Memphis winning a national championship in basketball would be a bigger deal — "beyond the sport of basketball itself" — than would be the case with most other schools winning the title. In short, there would be historical, racial and social elements that would come into play for a Tiger national title than would be evident if, say, Oregon State ran the table in the Big Dance.

The Cal vs. Stanford football game is simply "different" with its "big dealness." And yes, I agree with you that few outside the fan bases of those two schools care or are aware. But that does not render the game a "non big deal" in the grand scheme of the college football landscape.

I can agree with this. AL/TN is still a big game. 04-cheers


It would be bigger if Tennessee ever got to the level at which it needs to be!

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(04-06-2021 02:21 PM)schmolik Wrote:  2000-2019 (First Four Games Excluded)

WCC (Not Counting Gonzaga):
BYU: 3 wins, 1 Sweet 16 (2011)
St. Mary's: 3 wins, 1 Sweet 16 (2010)
No one else won a game. Pacific made the 2013 Tournament as a Big West member
Total: 6 wins, 2 Sweet 16's

MWC:
San Diego State, 6 wins, 2 Sweet 16's (2011, 2014)
Nevada, 2 wins, 1 Sweet 16 (2018)
New Mexico, 2 wins
Colorado State, 1 win
Total: 11 wins, 3 Sweet 16's

Taking out Gonzaga, MWC teams made 25 NCAA appearances between 2000-19 while WCC teams made 10. Only four WCC teams (counting Gonzaga) made an NCAA appearance since 2010. Nine of 11 MWC teams have (only Air Force and San Jose State haven't).

If you go from 2000-2019, you'll see similar results. Only San Jose State hasn't made the NCAA's from the MWC while four out of ten WCC teams (Loyola Marymount, Santa Clara, San Francisco, and Portland) haven't made the tournament. There is no doubt to me the MWC is a stronger and deeper conference.

You counted BYU’s sweet 16 run of 2011 (Jimmer years) as WCC. BYU was in the MWC that season.
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(04-07-2021 09:23 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
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(04-06-2021 03:20 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  1. Big East is the perfect fit ... except the geography doesn't work.

If you're Butler or Creighton, maybe. If you're UConn or Georgetown, not even close.

Creighton president or AD publicly advocated for it. Of course, all the other Big East schools were silent.

Now you know why I'm against Creighton in the Big East.

Eh, Creighton's fine. Institutional support is there, they bring a top-10 crowd in a modern arena, and they've got an in-state rivalry with a Big 10 team in hand. The McDermott thing is going to take some figuring out going forward, but Creighton winning what amounted to a coin flip with Saint Louis isn't some unexplainable mystery.
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A fun what if would have been how would things look if St. Louis had gotten that last Big East slot instead of Creighton
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If somehow the American could convince BYU, Boise and San Diego State to join in football, the West Coast Conference could strengthen basketball by taking in Boise State and San Diego State.

I'm not sure how much that helps Gonzaga in the end though. They really just need for other members of the WCC to step up recruiting, though that is far easier said than done.
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(04-08-2021 10:29 AM)Chappy Wrote:  If somehow the American could convince BYU, Boise and San Diego State to join in football, the West Coast Conference could strengthen basketball by taking in Boise State and San Diego State.

I'm not sure how much that helps Gonzaga in the end though. They really just need for other members of the WCC to step up recruiting, though that is far easier said than done.

The WCC is all religiously affiliated private schools. All but three of them are Catholic. They're not going to add Boise or SDSU and mess up their institutional cohesiveness. The Big West is who can upgrade their basketball by adding those two schools.

BYU is never coming to the American unless the conference were to become a legit P6 in the next round of CFP contracts. Independence is how they claim to maintain equality with Utah.
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The issue with Gonzaga moving their sports all the way across the continent is urban private schools are totally dependent on a rare coach that wants to be there long term, whereas large public schools are easier landing spots for coaches these days. I believe it’s a lot easier to recruit to a large college town university in basketball these days. Even the private schools with major football programs have been gaining ground.

The Jay Wright and Mark Few type coaches are few and far between. Look at Butler without a great coach, or DePaul. Did anyone ever imagine Northwestern having a better basketball program than DePaul? What happens to Gonzaga down the road?

Also, what’s in it for Gonzaga? They’ve lost two national championships the past five years. I don’t think they need the Big East whatsoever.
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