Said in the WNIT thread, but this kinda stings more than I would have thought. I would have understood Oklahoma or Auburn, but Washington feels a bit different. Can't really say why - Washington is by no means a lateral move (it's Pac 12 after all) but it feels like a step down from what I was expecting her to get.

Also, the timing of this is awful. We'll probably miss out on basically every good transfer, and it's possible that defections will leave the roster with even more holes.

No clue who gets the job next, but this is another important hire for Karlgaard. Have to keep the core of the team together, and I think getting somebody with Texas ties is big for the future of the program. If we find the right candidate it won't matter, but I'd prefer a woman hire (I'm sure others will feel otherwise).

Dang, I was hoping for one more year. Could be the reason Mulkey declared for the draft the other day.

Karlgaard needs to move really fast-- not only to slow the rush to the transfer pool, but to secure our committed recruits.

Tough loss but she's done an awful lot for Rice in a short time, and Washington has a lot more long-term potential than Auburn.

Hopefully, JK has some people in mind already. It's not like he couldn't have foreseen this change. I'll have to look around and see if I can see any obvious names. The only Rice alum I know who still is coaching is Johnetta Hayes-Perry (she's now at UTMB after formerly being at Texas Southern). Marsha Frese used to be a head coach, but she's out of coaching now.

ETA - Frese is now an assistant at San Diego State

(04-05-2021 04:06 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Dang, I was hoping for one more year. Could be the reason Mulkey declared for the draft the other day.

Karlgaard needs to move really fast-- not only to slow the rush to the transfer pool, but to secure our committed recruits.

Yeah but we saw with Pera how that worked out. I'm not sure there's much stopping those who want to transfer - they committed to Langley (now at Washington), Tasha Brown (now at UCLA), Lee Adudell (not coaching), and Winston Gandy (now at Duke). They've only played under Alejandro and Asher for one year, and for King a couple. Unless they've developed some great affinity for Rice, I'm not sure what strong connections are left.

Honestly, I feel for Karlgaard. You want to hire quickly to keep what is a really good core, but there's a good chance that there's no saving the core. You also have to make a good hire, because if the core does stay around, you want to keep building what you're hoping becomes the premier mid-major program in the country. But if you do wait and try to find the right person, then you probably further the risk of departures and you eliminate the chance of replacing them with players from the portal. Just not an envious spot for him.

Yeah but Langley had been rumored to be going to Auburn almost a week ago. So this news can't be a shock.

I'm not sure if we'd be interested in hiring a male coach (we haven't had the best luck with male head coaches in our women's sports outside of track and field and I guess now soccer), but Mark Kellogg at SFA would be a good person to interview.

No person I’d rather have making an important coaching hire than Joe Karlgaard!

Another person we could look into (maybe) is Charity Elliott. She played at Rice for two years and then transferred to Missouri State. She was the head coach at Loyola-Marymount for nine seasons, but ironically just stepped down from that school today for personal reasons. Her husband Chris has been her assistant coach for much of her coaching career.

https://lmulions.com/sports/womens-baske...liott/4535

(04-05-2021 04:31 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Another person we could look into (maybe) is Charity Elliott. She played at Rice for two years and then transferred to Missouri State. She was the head coach at Loyola-Marymount for nine seasons, but ironically just stepped down from that school today for personal reasons. Her husband Chris has been her assistant coach for much of her coaching career.

https://lmulions.com/sports/womens-baske...liott/4535

13-44 in her last two years. If Karlgaard hires her, I'd hope he'd be fired the next day.

(04-05-2021 04:27 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  No person I’d rather have making an important coaching hire than Joe Karlgaard!

To be fair to JK, he has done a rather good job in non-rev sport hires, including hiring Langley.

Both of Karlgaard's basketball coach hires-- Langley and Rhoades- were Assistant Head Coaches at their prior schools...and both came from elite programs (Maryland and VCU), or at least programs that had multiple years of success in the NCAA tournament.

Would a Baylor or Stanford WBB assistant head coach consider coming to Rice?

Karlgaard's initial reaction to reporters...

https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/stat...9739616263

(04-05-2021 04:40 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Both of Karlgaard's basketball coach hires-- Langley and Rhoades- were Assistant Head Coaches at their prior schools...and both came from elite programs (Maryland and VCU), or at least programs that had multiple years of success in the NCAA tournament.

Would a Baylor or Stanford WBB assistant head coach consider coming to Rice?

I'm not sure if any of their current coaches would be great candidates. But I'd like to see Rice go after either of Arizona's two female assistants (Tamisha Augustin probably will be named a head coach somewhere shortly and has both a Southern background and used to be an assistant coach in CUSA).

They'd be crazy not to try to hire Iademarco as HC

Isn't this exactly what we say we want - coaches who do well enough to be hired away?

The trick, rarely done at Rice, is to hire somebody who can maintain and then improve the program.

This is a test for JK.

I’m disappointed as a Rice fan. But congratulations to Tina Langley and thanks for some great memories.

(04-05-2021 05:30 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Isn't this exactly what we say we want - coaches who do well enough to be hired away?

The trick, rarely done at Rice, is to hire somebody who can maintain and then improve the program.

This is a test for JK.

I think it's natural to be slightly sad at first that she isn't going to be Mark Few. Like she could have left multiple times, and so you kind of get the thought in the back of your head that maybe she really likes it at Rice and wants to turn the program into one that's perennially ranked.

But yeah, nobody is going to be upset with her or anything like that. Her six years were ridiculously successful, and she gave us the ability to watch a ton of crazy talented players when Rice athletics really needed some light in what's been a generally bad stretch (at least with respect to the big sports).

To be honest, while I think this is a difficult hire for JK, there's a lot that's out of his control. He could theoretically hire the literal best possible candidate, and 5-6 players could transfer out and we'd be back to where we were before Langley got here. And it wouldn't be his fault at all. The future of the program first and foremost lies with the current players on the roster. If Wiggins and Smith and Schwartz and co. say they want out, nothing JK can do will mean much.

They should have just backed up the armored car and kept pulling stacks of bills off until she said yes. Basketball and the call to bigger conferences is just different than football. Look at Mark Few.

I wonder if JK looks at Sydney Colson. Coached at Rice for 3 years. Local from Houston, went to school at Texas A&M. She played pretty sparingly in the WNBA last year. She's still very young (only 31), so that might disqualify her in the mind of those searching. Also not sure how somebody like Latara King would respond to that.

(04-05-2021 07:11 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  I wonder if JK looks at Sydney Colson. Coached at Rice for 3 years. Local from Houston, went to school at Texas A&M. She played pretty sparingly in the WNBA last year. She's still very young (only 31), so that might disqualify her in the mind of those searching. Also not sure how somebody like Latara King would respond to that.

Hate to remind people that neither Tina or Rhoades or Pera were local, and none had prior Texas ties, but they all have proven their ability to recruit talent.

After Tina, there is no way Karlgaard is going to hire someone who is not experienced from a winning program nationally.

(04-05-2021 07:32 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 07:11 PM)elw4796 Wrote:  I wonder if JK looks at Sydney Colson. Coached at Rice for 3 years. Local from Houston, went to school at Texas A&M. She played pretty sparingly in the WNBA last year. She's still very young (only 31), so that might disqualify her in the mind of those searching. Also not sure how somebody like Latara King would respond to that.

Hate to remind people that neither Tina or Rhoades or Pera were local, and none had prior Texas ties, but they all have proven their ability to recruit talent.

After Tina, there is no way Karlgaard is going to hire someone who is not experienced from a winning program nationally.

I've always said that the next step in our WBB program is convincing the top 100 Texas recruits to stay home. I don't dispute that all of Langley, Rhoades, and Pera have recruited well, but I think somebody from Texas best fits what we need for the women's program. Just one person's opinion.

But I don't disagree that the most likely hire will be a power conference assistant. Just throwing some different names out there.