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RE: The Deranged 60 Minutes Hit Piece on Ron DeSantis Gives the Game Away
(04-05-2021 01:07 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Ron can't debate. He will go down in Rick Perryesque flames during the GOP debate.

Debate??? So now debates matter???

Roll the tape of Kammie the commie looking like a deer in headlights against Pence.

Que up her crapping down her leg as Tulsi Gabbard absolutely humiliated her and her best comeback was "Uhhhh, that is not my record" ...even though it WAS.

Bring on Kammie v. Ron.

Or better yet... Kammie v. DON.
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(04-05-2021 04:09 PM)green Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 03:32 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 03:08 PM)green Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 11:43 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  here's what they know.....DeSantis is the '24 front runner....

msm = poosies playing smear the queeer...

if trump opts out ...

OTHERWISE

thought about that, too....

AIN'T HAPPENING



https://twitter.com/DailyMail/status/137...5746166787

HAPPENSTANCE

I simply don't see it happening...he'll be 78 with baggage...

he ain't no BABAYAGA.... 03-wink

DeSantis is in his prime and rolling 7s by the month...

as much as I backed DJT policies, #henceDJT, and #DJTexperiment, I just don't see it being healthy at this point moving forward....

BEEN WRONG BEFORE
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(04-05-2021 04:23 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  HOw about they run together?

Pence is a good guy but he isn't winning in 2028... and Trump only has 1 more term possible.... and the 'time out' would allow him to avoid the stigma of 'firing' his veep. DeSantis COULD give 12 years of control to Reps??... with his VP choice delivering 'the counterpunch' to whatever NEW focus the DIms want to hitch to their wagon.

I could easily roll with that combo....

however, I'd rather forge forward with DeSantis while his iron is hot....

I don't see him wavering on DJT's positional views....he's simply more likeable....
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(04-05-2021 04:23 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  HOw about they run together?

Pence is a good guy but he isn't winning in 2028... and Trump only has 1 more term possible.... and the 'time out' would allow him to avoid the stigma of 'firing' his veep. DeSantis COULD give 12 years of control to Reps??... with his VP choice delivering 'the counterpunch' to whatever NEW focus the DIms want to hitch to their wagon.

As a dictator, he could give himself unlimited terms.

Wait, Trump is still a dictator. Right?
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RE: The Deranged 60 Minutes Hit Piece on Ron DeSantis Gives the Game Away
Trump, Pence, DeSantis, Cruz--whomever the republicans run, the MSM are going to try to crucify them. Republicans can't make it about personalities, they have to make it about issues.

Democrats are handing them a bunch of unpopular issue positions to take advantage of--Buttigieg's mileage tax, Yellen's worldwide minimum tax, boys playing girls' sports, killing jobs. And it's going to get worse for democrats once some of that stuff kicks in and the economy starts to stagger. Democrats are kinda sorta committed to Kamala the **** in 2024, who is an extremely unlikeable candidate with a trail of skeletons in her closet. It will be fun to see how far the media go to try to make her likable, but she's not exactly the charming motherly/grandmotherly type. But you can be sure that the media will do everything possible to make her come across as a sweetheart.

Republicans need to make it about issues, starting in 2022. They need to be doing the kind of work that Newt did leading up to 1994. Find some winning issue positions. Prove them up with polls and focus groups. And then run on that and nothing else. Are they doing that? I don't see any indications.

The bottom line is that no matter what your intentions, you can't do anything in politics without winning elections. The left understands this implicitly, because they crave power above all else and elections are where power comes from. So they are passionate about elections. Conservatives tend to be too busy being successful in the world to be as passionate about elections. We are in a war, the left realizes it, and the right better wake up and realize it too, before we are too far gone.
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(04-06-2021 06:58 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 04:09 PM)green Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 03:32 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 03:08 PM)green Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 11:43 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  here's what they know.....DeSantis is the '24 front runner....

msm = poosies playing smear the queeer...

if trump opts out ...

OTHERWISE

thought about that, too....

AIN'T HAPPENING



https://twitter.com/DailyMail/status/137...5746166787

HAPPENSTANCE

I simply don't see it happening...he'll be 78 with baggage...

he ain't no BABAYAGA.... 03-wink

DeSantis is in his prime and rolling 7s by the month...

as much as I backed DJT policies, #henceDJT, and #DJTexperiment, I just don't see it being healthy at this point moving forward....

BEEN WRONG BEFORE

Agreed, Stink. It doesn't mean he can't still have considerable influence over the Republican party, but his role needs to shift to the way Odumbo's has and help steer the ship while someone else is the Captain.
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One problem with Trump/DeSantis. With Trump now a resident of Florida, that would mean that Florida electors could not vote for both of them. And if you think republicans can win without Florida, I don't.

I don't think Trump is the best candidate for 2024. Assuming the democrats will run Kamala the ****, republicans will have a huge potential advantage in that it's going to be hard for the MSM to polish up that turd enough to make her look more likable than whomever republicans run. They need to run somebody without Trump's negatives.

But what they really need to do is focus on issues. Republicans haven't run an issues-based campaign since 1994. How did that turn out?
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(04-06-2021 05:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 03:14 PM)fsquid Wrote:  that woman reporter should be fired, full stop. Producer too.

Yes..and If 60 minutes has a hint of integrity they will do another report on this showing what really happened. The problem with stuff like this is that it is out there now and many people will think that the original report was valid.

They know they have no integrity, but if they fling enough sh*t they hope that some of it sticks and they also know that many people willingly accept blatantly false narratives. How many believe Nick Sandmann harassed some innocent Native American? How many thoroughly believe that George Floyd was some rehabilitated guy who died from asphyxiation and nothing more? How many believe Michael Brown said "hands up, don't shoot" and was running for his life as opposed to trying to steal a cop's gun? How many believe Breonna Taylor was some innocent EMT sleeping when cops quietly burst into her apartment and gunned her down? How many believe that there was a Russian dossier? Every one of those narratives have been debunked with proof, but the media twisted the narrative and some will never believe otherwise despite any evidence or proof to the contrary.
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(04-06-2021 06:34 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 01:07 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Ron can't debate. He will go down in Rick Perryesque flames during the GOP debate.

Debate??? So now debates matter???

Roll the tape of Kammie the commie looking like a deer in headlights against Pence.

Que up her crapping down her leg as Tulsi Gabbard absolutely humiliated her and her best comeback was "Uhhhh, that is not my record" ...even though it WAS.

Bring on Kammie v. Ron.

Or better yet... Kammie v. DON.

You apparently don't know much about the GOP. Debates matter.
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(04-05-2021 06:19 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 04:54 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  We need someone like Trump, but not Trump.

This...

Let's keep this going.

We need a boat but without the payments....

We need a big steak dinner but without calories....

We need wives but without the nagging....
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"yip yap yap yip yip yip"
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(04-06-2021 09:19 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  "yip yap yap yip yip yip"

lol....#chihuahuaNetwork
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(04-06-2021 07:05 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 04:23 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  HOw about they run together?

Pence is a good guy but he isn't winning in 2028... and Trump only has 1 more term possible.... and the 'time out' would allow him to avoid the stigma of 'firing' his veep. DeSantis COULD give 12 years of control to Reps??... with his VP choice delivering 'the counterpunch' to whatever NEW focus the DIms want to hitch to their wagon.

I could easily roll with that combo....

however, I'd rather forge forward with DeSantis while his iron is hot....

I don't see him wavering on DJT's positional views....he's simply more likeable....

The issue here isn't who (De Santis or Trump) the issue here is that while Joe's cronies try to destroy the nation during these next four years the MSM is trying to give cover by attacking the perceived front runner from the right so as with four years of impeachment the story was not about Trump's successfulness, this time the distraction of attacking De Santis is about covering up the air time with another false story to keep the focus off of the abysmal failures of Joe B and his flock of squawking crapping Seagulls that are irritating the piss out of middle America already.

It's a bait and switch of more fake news rather than being forced to deal with real news. The MSM dropped the Presidential Press Conferences when Trump refused to be derailed by their blather and now they are giving Joe B a pass on press conferences to cover up his dementia. De Santis is merely the new bogey man cover story since the public is tired of seeing DJT kicked.

So the story is about what "bad and evil thing" might happen in 2024 instead of bad and evil thing for real happened in the 2020 election theft and what a dismantling of American greatness is happening under the most crooked administration in the history of our nation!
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RE: The Deranged 60 Minutes Hit Piece on Ron DeSantis Gives the Game Away
(04-06-2021 07:05 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 04:23 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  HOw about they run together?

Pence is a good guy but he isn't winning in 2028... and Trump only has 1 more term possible.... and the 'time out' would allow him to avoid the stigma of 'firing' his veep. DeSantis COULD give 12 years of control to Reps??... with his VP choice delivering 'the counterpunch' to whatever NEW focus the DIms want to hitch to their wagon.

I could easily roll with that combo....

however, I'd rather forge forward with DeSantis while his iron is hot....

I don't see him wavering on DJT's positional views....he's simply more likeable....

Fair... I was only trying to address those who are 'ONLY TRUMPERS'. That's not me, but we need those voters on the team. If DeSantis can carry that torch, I agree that the party may be better off without Trump. He is clearly the left's version of Hillary... an absolute magnet for their voters.
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(04-06-2021 10:33 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 07:05 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 04:23 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  HOw about they run together?

Pence is a good guy but he isn't winning in 2028... and Trump only has 1 more term possible.... and the 'time out' would allow him to avoid the stigma of 'firing' his veep. DeSantis COULD give 12 years of control to Reps??... with his VP choice delivering 'the counterpunch' to whatever NEW focus the DIms want to hitch to their wagon.

I could easily roll with that combo....

however, I'd rather forge forward with DeSantis while his iron is hot....

I don't see him wavering on DJT's positional views....he's simply more likeable....

Fair... I was only trying to address those who are 'ONLY TRUMPERS'. That's not me, but we need those voters on the team. If DeSantis can carry that torch, I agree that the party may be better off without Trump. He is clearly the left's version of Hillary... an absolute magnet for their voters.

Well said, good analogy there
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(04-06-2021 10:33 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 07:05 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 04:23 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  HOw about they run together?

Pence is a good guy but he isn't winning in 2028... and Trump only has 1 more term possible.... and the 'time out' would allow him to avoid the stigma of 'firing' his veep. DeSantis COULD give 12 years of control to Reps??... with his VP choice delivering 'the counterpunch' to whatever NEW focus the DIms want to hitch to their wagon.

I could easily roll with that combo....

however, I'd rather forge forward with DeSantis while his iron is hot....

I don't see him wavering on DJT's positional views....he's simply more likeable....

Fair... I was only trying to address those who are 'ONLY TRUMPERS'. That's not me, but we need those voters on the team. If DeSantis can carry that torch, I agree that the party may be better off without Trump. He is clearly the left's version of Hillary... an absolute magnet for their voters.

A ludicrous assumption when the last election was lost to 400,000 illegal and fraudulent votes. Those in the Republican party who were against Trump were only for a continuation of Corporate Globalist policies, meaning open trade even at the detriment of the American Tax Payer and were unwittingly or knowingly feeding a China that remains our #1 threat. Failing to appease those who identify with those bastards didn't cost us the last election. The failure to enforce election laws in the midst of a suspicious pandemic did. You never, ever, bend election laws. The minute you do you lose control of your freedom and your voice. And election laws in 2020 weren't just lax in enforcement, they were wholly altered by people lacking the constitutional authority to do so. And that doesn't even get into to the corporate subsidies for the Dominion machines to be placed into use, machines that Cal Tech demonstrated could be hacked and results flipped in under 15 minutes.
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I like DeSantis, right now I'd say he's my frontrunner, but I can't help but feel like he's being pushed onto us.......

I definitely like his handling of COVID. Some of his other FL policies are good. He's not scared to speak out against the Left. I think he could win back some of the typically R groups Trump lost.

But could he win the presidency? Would he continue to be a conservative? Could he push for some of the populist measures the GOP needs to adapt (not changing many of it's policies, just one or 2 could probably be more-fine tuned)?

VP, need to pick someone from a swing state. Seems like lately GOP's had very poor VP choices (that'd help in elections, not that they're not good themselves)
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(04-06-2021 10:41 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 10:33 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 07:05 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 04:23 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  HOw about they run together?

Pence is a good guy but he isn't winning in 2028... and Trump only has 1 more term possible.... and the 'time out' would allow him to avoid the stigma of 'firing' his veep. DeSantis COULD give 12 years of control to Reps??... with his VP choice delivering 'the counterpunch' to whatever NEW focus the DIms want to hitch to their wagon.

I could easily roll with that combo....

however, I'd rather forge forward with DeSantis while his iron is hot....

I don't see him wavering on DJT's positional views....he's simply more likeable....

Fair... I was only trying to address those who are 'ONLY TRUMPERS'. That's not me, but we need those voters on the team. If DeSantis can carry that torch, I agree that the party may be better off without Trump. He is clearly the left's version of Hillary... an absolute magnet for their voters.

A ludicrous assumption when the last election was lost to 400,000 illegal and fraudulent votes. Those in the Republican party who were against Trump were only for a continuation of Corporate Globalist policies, meaning open trade even at the detriment of the American Tax Payer and were unwittingly or knowingly feeding a China that remains our #1 threat. Failing to appease those who identify with those bastards didn't cost us the last election. The failure to enforce election laws in the midst of a suspicious pandemic did. You never, ever, bend election laws. The minute you do you lose control of your freedom and your voice. And election laws in 2020 weren't just lax in enforcement, they were wholly altered by people lacking the constitutional authority to do so. And that doesn't even get into to the corporate subsidies for the Dominion machines to be placed into use, machines that Cal Tech demonstrated could be hacked and results flipped in under 15 minutes.

Well, I'm not illegal and because I felt comfortable that my vote didn't matter in my state, I didn't vote for Trump. I didn't vote for him because I think he is often unnecessarily confrontational and even SEEKS confrontation, whether it is necessary of not. This actually deflects from his message and intentions. I think he made himself a target, which convinced a WHOLE LOT of democrats that it was worth their time and the risk to cheat. What is most infuriating about this is that he WON last time for the very same reason. Not because Republicans cheated, but because Hillary so often put her foot in her mouth that Republicans were motivated to vote against her. Democrats just chose a different tactic to keep him out of office. If you don't have the numbers, cheat.

Trump would be a great Dick Cheney... but that isn't an option and he wouldn't go for that. The guy BEHIND the popular face who gets things done... but not the guy with cameras focused on and parsing every single word he says. As a businessman, even in the reality show... he could do a lot of work behind the scenes. You can't do that as President.

Someone who thinks like Trump, but avoids making himself such a target would have been re-elected. I suggested Trump/DeSantis simply because someone who thinks like him but doesn't seek confrontation like him (which may or may net be DeSantis) could smooth Trump's rough edges and continue the good policies. Pence is a solid guy (I think) but he is not strong enough, dynamic enough and doesn't support a lot of the things that people like about Trump.

What you're doing is precisely what I think is 'our' problem. Proper legal elections are something that unites MOST of us. The only people against them are those who want to cheat. What happened, happened... and while it needs to be fixed, we need to stop looking backwards, other than to fix it.

Whether Trump lost or it was 'stolen' makes no difference since you aren't going to change it. All you can do is fix it. It doesn't matter NOW if people voted illegally in the last election... you accomplish the same goal of eliminating that by spending the next 4 years putting safeguards into place... because you aren't motivating the 'never Trumpers' to shout down the

You're doing this because you support honest elections... NOT because you support Trump. If Trump wins as a result, then that is a side-effect, not the purpose. Does that make sense? If you are seen as doing this because of Trump, you motivate people to come out against you. NOBODY would PUBLICLY be against honest/fair elections.

(04-06-2021 10:49 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I like DeSantis, right now I'd say he's my frontrunner, but I can't help but feel like he's being pushed onto us.......

I know nothing about him... I'm not saying he's the guy... I'm simply using him as an example. I suspect some others are as well.... AND, this is often a tool of the opposition... if you talk a lot about them now, you don't have to do it as much once things get serious.
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(04-06-2021 11:43 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 10:41 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 10:33 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 07:05 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 04:23 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  HOw about they run together?

Pence is a good guy but he isn't winning in 2028... and Trump only has 1 more term possible.... and the 'time out' would allow him to avoid the stigma of 'firing' his veep. DeSantis COULD give 12 years of control to Reps??... with his VP choice delivering 'the counterpunch' to whatever NEW focus the DIms want to hitch to their wagon.

I could easily roll with that combo....

however, I'd rather forge forward with DeSantis while his iron is hot....

I don't see him wavering on DJT's positional views....he's simply more likeable....

Fair... I was only trying to address those who are 'ONLY TRUMPERS'. That's not me, but we need those voters on the team. If DeSantis can carry that torch, I agree that the party may be better off without Trump. He is clearly the left's version of Hillary... an absolute magnet for their voters.

A ludicrous assumption when the last election was lost to 400,000 illegal and fraudulent votes. Those in the Republican party who were against Trump were only for a continuation of Corporate Globalist policies, meaning open trade even at the detriment of the American Tax Payer and were unwittingly or knowingly feeding a China that remains our #1 threat. Failing to appease those who identify with those bastards didn't cost us the last election. The failure to enforce election laws in the midst of a suspicious pandemic did. You never, ever, bend election laws. The minute you do you lose control of your freedom and your voice. And election laws in 2020 weren't just lax in enforcement, they were wholly altered by people lacking the constitutional authority to do so. And that doesn't even get into to the corporate subsidies for the Dominion machines to be placed into use, machines that Cal Tech demonstrated could be hacked and results flipped in under 15 minutes.

Well, I'm not illegal and because I felt comfortable that my vote didn't matter in my state, I didn't vote for Trump. I didn't vote for him because I think he is often unnecessarily confrontational and even SEEKS confrontation, whether it is necessary of not. This actually deflects from his message and intentions. I think he made himself a target, which convinced a WHOLE LOT of democrats that it was worth their time and the risk to cheat. What is most infuriating about this is that he WON last time for the very same reason. Not because Republicans cheated, but because Hillary so often put her foot in her mouth that Republicans were motivated to vote against her. Democrats just chose a different tactic to keep him out of office. If you don't have the numbers, cheat.

Trump would be a great Dick Cheney... but that isn't an option and he wouldn't go for that. The guy BEHIND the popular face who gets things done... but not the guy with cameras focused on and parsing every single word he says. As a businessman, even in the reality show... he could do a lot of work behind the scenes. You can't do that as President.

Someone who thinks like Trump, but avoids making himself such a target would have been re-elected. I suggested Trump/DeSantis simply because someone who thinks like him but doesn't seek confrontation like him (which may or may net be DeSantis) could smooth Trump's rough edges and continue the good policies. Pence is a solid guy (I think) but he is not strong enough, dynamic enough and doesn't support a lot of the things that people like about Trump.

What you're doing is precisely what I think is 'our' problem. Proper legal elections are something that unites MOST of us. The only people against them are those who want to cheat. What happened, happened... and while it needs to be fixed, we need to stop looking backwards, other than to fix it.

Whether Trump lost or it was 'stolen' makes no difference since you aren't going to change it. All you can do is fix it. It doesn't matter NOW if people voted illegally in the last election... you accomplish the same goal of eliminating that by spending the next 4 years putting safeguards into place... because you aren't motivating the 'never Trumpers' to shout down the

You're doing this because you support honest elections... NOT because you support Trump. If Trump wins as a result, then that is a side-effect, not the purpose. Does that make sense? If you are seen as doing this because of Trump, you motivate people to come out against you. NOBODY would PUBLICLY be against honest/fair elections.

(04-06-2021 10:49 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I like DeSantis, right now I'd say he's my frontrunner, but I can't help but feel like he's being pushed onto us.......

I know nothing about him... I'm not saying he's the guy... I'm simply using him as an example. I suspect some others are as well.... AND, this is often a tool of the opposition... if you talk a lot about them now, you don't have to do it as much once things get serious.

Nice deflection, but it misses the point. Trump won in 2016 because he reached voters that were left out of the Bush party, a party of pro corporate agendas. It is why the Bush family and Ryan and Romney (who is liberal as hell) all sought to thwart Trump. Trumps polarizing nature revealed the real rifts and stances of way too many corporate wonks who had been lining their pockets, and in the case of the Bush family they were corporate America and still are, they aren't wonks.

Trump received more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016. The only difference was the illegal votes, and you are damned right it needs to be dealt with. But not looking backwards dooms us in the future.

We need to recognize why Trump got so many votes, and it wasn't because of corporate ass kissing! It's because he represented the lower middle class, the middle middle class and some of the upper middle class (unless they were aging hippie draft dodging Boomers who will always vote left). He had some corporate support but mostly from smaller corporations interested in what is happening in the American work place and not overseas. He didn't have the NAFTA crowd or Big Tech most of which own the media.

Here's why you need to look backwards. The Republican party has to hold the middle class, make improvements for the poor as Trump did, and help corporations to the point that they are not damaging the United State's security (as Big Tech has), undermined Americas infrastructure (as the globalists have seeking slave labor abroad), and conspired to gain a hegemony over an industry (as Big Pharma has).

Otherwise Hambone we are headed for a corporately bought Congress, and a PAC funded President, and oodles of Federally appointed judges who will be in the hip pocket of Corporate Conglomerates and what we will have is a democratic facade for a Fascist State.

There is no difference at all, other than label, between a corporately backed Democrat and a corporately backed Republican. If the money comes out of the same pocket they do the same bidding. This is the essence of "The Swamp" and those who want to forget Trump and move on are only serving the corporatist fascist agenda.

And that is the damned reality and why we don't need to forget why Trump won, who he represented, and why the Republican Party needs to clean the house of any remnant of the Bush administration. Every damned picture with H.W. or W and the Obamas and the Clintons should be seen by the public constantly as they the chumminess goes much deeper than the photos.

I voted for Trump, I wish his aids had smashed his cell phone so he couldn't tweet. I didn't like the Yankee Bronx bravado, but every New York politician has had it. It only becomes an issue when the left doesn't like the policies. From Koch to Cuomo they all are brash. Hillary was abrasive.

The corporate crowd doesn't give a damn about brashness. They control the spin and only use brashness as an issue when the policies are not favorable to them. Trump should have been smarter during the election but it is who he is. But, he has taught us some very good lessons and we had better heed them moving forward, so this shovel kitty litter and move on crap doesn't cut it with me. It's a recipe for leaving turds in place that should be scooped and tossed, and it's still a friggin swamp!
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RE: The Deranged 60 Minutes Hit Piece on Ron DeSantis Gives the Game Away
Quote:Democrat Palm Beach County Mayor Dave Kerner gave new details about the deceptive editing that occurred in a “60 Minutes” smear piece on Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, saying that he explained everything to the show before they aired the segment in an interview that lasted “probably over 45 minutes.”

Kerner was asked to respond to the following statement from “60 Minutes” in their attempt to explain the deceptive editing:

As we always do for clarity, 60 MINUTES used the portion of the Governor’s over 2-minute response that directly addressed the question from the correspondent.

“I participated in speaking with the producer of ’60 Minutes’ for probably over 45 minutes and gave very direct facts about the governor’s meeting that I had with him here in my office a few months ago,” Kerner said. “And when I watched the piece, I was just taken taken aback really that none of my comments, none of my perspective was included, and certainly the facts bear out the truth that this was a decision that I made, that county administration made, and really has been a wonderful addition to our overall plan here in Palm Beach County.”

Kerner said that he had met with DeSantis multiple times throughout the pandemic and they had worked well together. He also said the decision to work with Publix was a “no brainer.”

“And really, as a county mayor of of one of the largest counties in the nation, if we have a senior population that per capita outranks every other county in the state, so to have 67, ready-to-go vertically integrated points of distribution with 20,000 vaccines per week is a no brainer,” Kerner said. “And certainly Commissioner McKinley, my colleague on the board, eventually pointed out that there were some loopholes and gaps in the coverage of Publix. And we immediately rectified that, and quite frankly, we lead the state, all three major counties, by a longshot in terms of vaccinations provided to seniors 65 and over.”

Kerner said that he had to reach out to “60 Minutes” after they aired the deceptive segment because it was a “surreal experience” seeing how the show left out critical information that he gave them during his interview with them.

“I did issue a pretty scathing statement to CBS and ’60 Minutes’ on my own letterhead as the county mayor, not on behalf of the County, but I felt that it was important to have the truth out in the public sphere,” he added. “So for me, I left this experience really disheartened with ’60 Minutes’ and still don’t have an explanation as to why … my comments were never included.”

In his statement slamming “60 Minutes,” Kerner said that the show should “be ashamed” because they left out the key information he gave them “because it kneecaps their narrative.” Kerner said the segment “was not just based on bad information – it was intentionally false.”

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Quote:CBS’s “60 Minutes” ran a deceptive hit piece on Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, suggesting that somehow he’d been involved in a pay for play scheme by having Publix involved in the vaccine rollout. But as we reported here, here and here, that was resoundingly debunked.

But that wasn’t the only part of CBS’s report about DeSantis that was questionable.

What was truly incredible was that they attacked him for prioritizing seniors, the people most at risk from the virus. You would think that focus should have been praised, not attacked. We saw how that lack of care for seniors resulted in more deaths in New York after Gov. Andrew Cuomo ordered nursing homes to take positive virus patients. But not only did DeSantis issue an order saying that you shouldn’t send positive virus patients into nursing homes, he also focused on getting seniors vaccinated early on since they were the population most at risk as well as being such a big part of the Florida population. Florida is among the leaders in the country for getting seniors vaccinated.

But CBS insinuated that focus was somehow bad, that it was somehow not correct they were prioritized over young frontline workers. They spoke as though seniors being more at risk was just something that DeSantis pulled out of his hat for the fun of it, rather than being the clear factual and scientific consensus.

From Townhall:

“Florida’s rollout started pretty typically. The first doses were given to healthcare workers and nursing home residents in early December,” Alfonsi said. “But then, a few weeks later, Gov. Ron DeSantis, breaking from CDC guidelines, announced he would not vaccinate teachers and essential workers next but instead put seniors first, making anyone 65 and over eligible for the vaccine, the first in the country to do that.”

“DeSantis said seniors were at highest risk,” she added, as if that was DeSantis’s opinion rather than fact.

Eighty percent of the deaths attributed to the Wuhan coronavirus have been among those 65 and older, according to the CDC. So DeSantis’ decisions were completely based upon the science and the statistics as to who was most at risk.

That’s why having vaccination in a Publix was so convenient since the stores are all over the state.

CBS tried to spin DeSantis making the vaccines so available to seniors as Florida’s 4.5 million “compete against each other” for the shots. I’m thinking that seniors in other places who didn’t have access as soon as Florida seniors would have loved to have the opportunity to “compete” for the shots. Most of Florida’s seniors, some 3.5 million people have now been vaccinated because of DeSantis.

“As a result, cases and hospitalizations in those 65 older have drastically reduced. In the 65 and older population, the number of new cases were down by 84% the week of March 21 – March 27, as compared to the week of December 27 – January 2, and hospitalizations were down by 83%,” a statement from his office says.

In other words, this is how you get the lower death numbers in Florida despite having such a concentrated population of seniors. That’s something that should be praised not attacked. But the fact that CBS tried to suggest that there was somehow something wrong with that focus shows how desperate they are to go after DeSantis.

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