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AAC members would like to join a P5 conference. The money in a P5 is very appealing. An invite is not likely for most if not all AAC schools. Hoping for the AAC to become P6 is dreaming of a coronation.

The P5 can and will prevent the AAC from becoming a P6. They don't want competition in money, recruiting, exposure, and status.

But, they can't prevent the AAC from obtaining these values.

How can the AAC accomplish these goals?

1. Alabama and Clemson might be added as members.
2. A huge tech company might decide to pay the AAC large amounts of money.
3. The ACC might take steps toward these goals.

Only the last idea has any potential.

Ideas for Obtaining More Money and Exposure.
1. Creation of an AAC bowl.
2. Pay based On viewership.

An AAC Bowl could be created by obtaining "seed" money from members.

AAC members might be rewarded or "punished" for levels of viewers.
The AAC could provide more of its contract money to schools with great
viewership and less to schools with poor viewership. If a school's
viewership is good it would get more money to grow it. If a school's
viewership is poor it would get less money. A member must spend
money to obtain good viewership or its going to lose money. Generally,
this would raise viewership of AAC members. Raised viewership would
get raised revenues from media companies. Capitalism works.

There are undoubtedly other ideas. All the AAC needs is leaders with
backbones. If they don't take these or other ideas to grow the conference they are deciding the AAC will not succeed.
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(04-04-2021 10:54 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  AAC members would like to join a P5 conference. The money in a P5 is very appealing. An invite is not likely for most if not all AAC schools. Hoping for the AAC to become P6 is dreaming of a coronation.

The P5 can and will prevent the AAC from becoming a P6. They don't want competition in money, recruiting, exposure, and status.

But, they can't prevent the AAC from obtaining these values.

How can the AAC accomplish these goals?

1. Alabama and Clemson might be added as members.
2. A huge tech company might decide to pay the AAC large amounts of money.
3. The ACC might take steps toward these goals.

Only the last idea has any potential.

Ideas for Obtaining More Money and Exposure.
1. Creation of an AAC bowl.
2. Pay based On viewership.

An AAC Bowl could be created by obtaining "seed" money from members.

AAC members might be rewarded or "punished" for levels of viewers.
The AAC could provide more of its contract money to schools with great
viewership and less to schools with poor viewership. If a school's
viewership is good it would get more money to grow it. If a school's
viewership is poor it would get less money. A member must spend
money to obtain good viewership or its going to lose money. Generally,
this would raise viewership of AAC members. Raised viewership would
get raised revenues from media companies. Capitalism works.

There are undoubtedly other ideas. All the AAC needs is leaders with
backbones. If they don't take these or other ideas to grow the conference they are deciding the AAC will not succeed.

The 2016 BigXII expansion traveshamockery proved one thing - no single AAC school (or the other mwc etc) was worth being pulled into the existing "P5" conference structure at $30 million per school - didn't bring that additive value to the table.
Followon - no AAC school (or the other mwc etc) will bring the additive value to the table when the discussions are at $50 million per school.

So "realignment" is dead -- as we've all understood it looking back at the last couple decades of conferences picking individual schools which could add enough value to their conference.

With those assumptions, we should look ahead to the next round of College Football Playoff negotiations in 2025-26 as "restructure" vice "realignment."

And that is when, why, and how the AAC Strategic Plan, and the "P6" information campaign came about after the 2016 BigXII expansion traveshamockery.

Rather than single schools getting that Willie Wonka Golden Ticket -- which we were all unworthy of at a much cheaper price than in the next round -- the conference and its institutions looked at elevating the conference as a whole. Let's make the conference be perceived as being worth inclusion in that next restructure.

Legally speaking, there are two differences between the SEC, Big10, BigXII, ACC, and PAC12; and the AAC, mwc, MAC, SunBelt, and CUSA. First off five of those conferences have autonomous status in terms of governance, recognized by the NCAA. And secondly, the CFP structure differentiates between five conferences (plus ND) having contract relationships with the bowls in the CFP arrangement and five conferences NOT being bowl-contract-conferences.

When the SEC, Big10, BigXII, ACC, and PAC12 gained their autonomy status within NCAA governance, the AAC had an immediate response: we will do everything the autonomous conferences do -- they may make their own rules and set their own standards, but we will play by those rules and meet those standards. Full cost of attendance is the easy example for that. The other four non-autonomous conferences may or may not step up to those standards, but the AAC and I don't care.
So on that first difference, we could either just keep pace, or ask to be added, whcih might get a "no" I suggest we are in good standing just keeping pace.

The real answer to the AAC reaching the strategic goal is in being on the inside looking out, instead of the outside looking in, in the next restructure of the College Football Playoff.
The good news is that that doesn't necessarily require the five autonomous or contract-bowl conferences giving up $ they already have. The AAC isn't asking for any of their current slice of the pie - just asking for a slice of a bigger future pie.

If the next CFP restructure were a four team playoff and six bowls, that's a steep climb: we need to convince the Cotton/Peach/Fiesta Bowls that they're better off having the AAC champ (that is, the AAC gaining a contract bowl with a CFP bowl) than risking a Western Michigan and low ratings, low attendance, lower money. That's a steep climb but possibly doable.
If the next CFP restrucuture is an eight team playoff and ten or twelve bowls, there are actually a few paths for AAC inclusion on the right side of that restructure. 5-3 with highest ranked five champs. 5-1-2 with or without some state preference for the AAC champ. Straight 8 for the playoff but an AAC champ contract to a Cotton/Peach/Fiesta/Citrus/Liberty/New Bowl in an 8-team 10/12-bowl CFP.

Could the AAC still be shutout as a contract-bowl participant in any new 8-team CFP restructure? Sure. But you miss every shot you don't take.
Could some sort of Oklahoma or Texas move lead to old-school "realignment" instead of "restructure" as I have as a planning assumption? Sure, but honestly that's the kind of tectonic shifts that you can't plan ahead for and just deal with when they come.

That's what "P6" and the AAC Strategic Plan are about -- position the conference as a whole (since everybody put on their fanciest dresses but still didn't get asked to dance by the BigXII in 2016) to be on the right side of the next restructure in a few more years.
(And that's also why there are only a couple of candidates for expansion that make us look more like a P6 than the other four in the interim, and we don't want to take any candidates who make us look worse for that strategic goal)
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The AAC isn't getting an official seat at the table in the next playoff go around. The best that could happen and might happen is AAC and G4 continue an auto bid to NY 6 bowl, along with a 5--1--2 Playoff system. If that came to pass we would be in playoff's most years and almost always get the NY6 game on the years we don't get the playoff spot. The P5 are not going to give us a guaranteed seat at either table.
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(04-05-2021 07:44 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The AAC isn't getting an official seat at the table in the next playoff go around. The best that could happen and might happen is AAC and G4 continue an auto bid to NY 6 bowl, along with a 5--1--2 Playoff system. If that came to pass we would be in playoff's most years and almost always get the NY6 game on the years we don't get the playoff spot. The P5 are not going to give us a guaranteed seat at either table.

What happens when the Bearcats win the national championship this year?
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(04-05-2021 08:06 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 07:44 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The AAC isn't getting an official seat at the table in the next playoff go around. The best that could happen and might happen is AAC and G4 continue an auto bid to NY 6 bowl, along with a 5--1--2 Playoff system. If that came to pass we would be in playoff's most years and almost always get the NY6 game on the years we don't get the playoff spot. The P5 are not going to give us a guaranteed seat at either table.

What happens when the Bearcats win the national championship this year?

Or, at the very least, make the playoffs....04-cheers
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(04-04-2021 11:44 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 10:54 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  AAC members would like to join a P5 conference. The money in a P5 is very appealing. An invite is not likely for most if not all AAC schools. Hoping for the AAC to become P6 is dreaming of a coronation.

The P5 can and will prevent the AAC from becoming a P6. They don't want competition in money, recruiting, exposure, and status.

But, they can't prevent the AAC from obtaining these values.

How can the AAC accomplish these goals?

1. Alabama and Clemson might be added as members.
2. A huge tech company might decide to pay the AAC large amounts of money.
3. The ACC might take steps toward these goals.

Only the last idea has any potential.

Ideas for Obtaining More Money and Exposure.
1. Creation of an AAC bowl.
2. Pay based On viewership.

An AAC Bowl could be created by obtaining "seed" money from members.

AAC members might be rewarded or "punished" for levels of viewers.
The AAC could provide more of its contract money to schools with great
viewership and less to schools with poor viewership. If a school's
viewership is good it would get more money to grow it. If a school's
viewership is poor it would get less money. A member must spend
money to obtain good viewership or its going to lose money. Generally,
this would raise viewership of AAC members. Raised viewership would
get raised revenues from media companies. Capitalism works.

There are undoubtedly other ideas. All the AAC needs is leaders with
backbones. If they don't take these or other ideas to grow the conference they are deciding the AAC will not succeed.

The 2016 BigXII expansion traveshamockery proved one thing - no single AAC school (or the other mwc etc) was worth being pulled into the existing "P5" conference structure at $30 million per school - didn't bring that additive value to the table.
Followon - no AAC school (or the other mwc etc) will bring the additive value to the table when the discussions are at $50 million per school.

So "realignment" is dead -- as we've all understood it looking back at the last couple decades of conferences picking individual schools which could add enough value to their conference.

With those assumptions, we should look ahead to the next round of College Football Playoff negotiations in 2025-26 as "restructure" vice "realignment."

And that is when, why, and how the AAC Strategic Plan, and the "P6" information campaign came about after the 2016 BigXII expansion traveshamockery.

Rather than single schools getting that Willie Wonka Golden Ticket -- which we were all unworthy of at a much cheaper price than in the next round -- the conference and its institutions looked at elevating the conference as a whole. Let's make the conference be perceived as being worth inclusion in that next restructure.

Legally speaking, there are two differences between the SEC, Big10, BigXII, ACC, and PAC12; and the AAC, mwc, MAC, SunBelt, and CUSA. First off five of those conferences have autonomous status in terms of governance, recognized by the NCAA. And secondly, the CFP structure differentiates between five conferences (plus ND) having contract relationships with the bowls in the CFP arrangement and five conferences NOT being bowl-contract-conferences.

When the SEC, Big10, BigXII, ACC, and PAC12 gained their autonomy status within NCAA governance, the AAC had an immediate response: we will do everything the autonomous conferences do -- they may make their own rules and set their own standards, but we will play by those rules and meet those standards. Full cost of attendance is the easy example for that. The other four non-autonomous conferences may or may not step up to those standards, but the AAC and I don't care.
So on that first difference, we could either just keep pace, or ask to be added, whcih might get a "no" I suggest we are in good standing just keeping pace.

The real answer to the AAC reaching the strategic goal is in being on the inside looking out, instead of the outside looking in, in the next restructure of the College Football Playoff.
The good news is that that doesn't necessarily require the five autonomous or contract-bowl conferences giving up $ they already have. The AAC isn't asking for any of their current slice of the pie - just asking for a slice of a bigger future pie.

If the next CFP restructure were a four team playoff and six bowls, that's a steep climb: we need to convince the Cotton/Peach/Fiesta Bowls that they're better off having the AAC champ (that is, the AAC gaining a contract bowl with a CFP bowl) than risking a Western Michigan and low ratings, low attendance, lower money. That's a steep climb but possibly doable.
If the next CFP restrucuture is an eight team playoff and ten or twelve bowls, there are actually a few paths for AAC inclusion on the right side of that restructure. 5-3 with highest ranked five champs. 5-1-2 with or without some state preference for the AAC champ. Straight 8 for the playoff but an AAC champ contract to a Cotton/Peach/Fiesta/Citrus/Liberty/New Bowl in an 8-team 10/12-bowl CFP.

Could the AAC still be shutout as a contract-bowl participant in any new 8-team CFP restructure? Sure. But you miss every shot you don't take.
Could some sort of Oklahoma or Texas move lead to old-school "realignment" instead of "restructure" as I have as a planning assumption? Sure, but honestly that's the kind of tectonic shifts that you can't plan ahead for and just deal with when they come.

That's what "P6" and the AAC Strategic Plan are about -- position the conference as a whole (since everybody put on their fanciest dresses but still didn't get asked to dance by the BigXII in 2016) to be on the right side of the next restructure in a few more years.
(And that's also why there are only a couple of candidates for expansion that make us look more like a P6 than the other four in the interim, and we don't want to take any candidates who make us look worse for that strategic goal)

Always the voice of reasoned logical thinking, well said.
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Don't get me wrong, I love the AAC and if there is no realignment, stay put as P6. But if I were Football Czar, I would force the following adds:
Big 12 - SMU, Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, and USF. (16)
PAC 12 - BYU, Boise, SDSU, and UNLV (16)
ACC - Navy football/Notre Dame basketball, and ECU (16)
Big 10 and SEC (14)
AAC, CUSA, Sun Belt realign into regional conferences. MWC add NMSU, UTEP, and MAC stet and go to the 8 team playoff, 5-2-1.
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(04-05-2021 09:31 AM)vick mike Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 11:44 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 10:54 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  AAC members would like to join a P5 conference. The money in a P5 is very appealing. An invite is not likely for most if not all AAC schools. Hoping for the AAC to become P6 is dreaming of a coronation.

The P5 can and will prevent the AAC from becoming a P6. They don't want competition in money, recruiting, exposure, and status.

But, they can't prevent the AAC from obtaining these values.

How can the AAC accomplish these goals?

1. Alabama and Clemson might be added as members.
2. A huge tech company might decide to pay the AAC large amounts of money.
3. The ACC might take steps toward these goals.

Only the last idea has any potential.

Ideas for Obtaining More Money and Exposure.
1. Creation of an AAC bowl.
2. Pay based On viewership.

An AAC Bowl could be created by obtaining "seed" money from members.

AAC members might be rewarded or "punished" for levels of viewers.
The AAC could provide more of its contract money to schools with great
viewership and less to schools with poor viewership. If a school's
viewership is good it would get more money to grow it. If a school's
viewership is poor it would get less money. A member must spend
money to obtain good viewership or its going to lose money. Generally,
this would raise viewership of AAC members. Raised viewership would
get raised revenues from media companies. Capitalism works.

There are undoubtedly other ideas. All the AAC needs is leaders with
backbones. If they don't take these or other ideas to grow the conference they are deciding the AAC will not succeed.

The 2016 BigXII expansion traveshamockery proved one thing - no single AAC school (or the other mwc etc) was worth being pulled into the existing "P5" conference structure at $30 million per school - didn't bring that additive value to the table.
Followon - no AAC school (or the other mwc etc) will bring the additive value to the table when the discussions are at $50 million per school.

So "realignment" is dead -- as we've all understood it looking back at the last couple decades of conferences picking individual schools which could add enough value to their conference.

With those assumptions, we should look ahead to the next round of College Football Playoff negotiations in 2025-26 as "restructure" vice "realignment."

And that is when, why, and how the AAC Strategic Plan, and the "P6" information campaign came about after the 2016 BigXII expansion traveshamockery.

Rather than single schools getting that Willie Wonka Golden Ticket -- which we were all unworthy of at a much cheaper price than in the next round -- the conference and its institutions looked at elevating the conference as a whole. Let's make the conference be perceived as being worth inclusion in that next restructure.

Legally speaking, there are two differences between the SEC, Big10, BigXII, ACC, and PAC12; and the AAC, mwc, MAC, SunBelt, and CUSA. First off five of those conferences have autonomous status in terms of governance, recognized by the NCAA. And secondly, the CFP structure differentiates between five conferences (plus ND) having contract relationships with the bowls in the CFP arrangement and five conferences NOT being bowl-contract-conferences.

When the SEC, Big10, BigXII, ACC, and PAC12 gained their autonomy status within NCAA governance, the AAC had an immediate response: we will do everything the autonomous conferences do -- they may make their own rules and set their own standards, but we will play by those rules and meet those standards. Full cost of attendance is the easy example for that. The other four non-autonomous conferences may or may not step up to those standards, but the AAC and I don't care.
So on that first difference, we could either just keep pace, or ask to be added, whcih might get a "no" I suggest we are in good standing just keeping pace.

The real answer to the AAC reaching the strategic goal is in being on the inside looking out, instead of the outside looking in, in the next restructure of the College Football Playoff.
The good news is that that doesn't necessarily require the five autonomous or contract-bowl conferences giving up $ they already have. The AAC isn't asking for any of their current slice of the pie - just asking for a slice of a bigger future pie.

If the next CFP restructure were a four team playoff and six bowls, that's a steep climb: we need to convince the Cotton/Peach/Fiesta Bowls that they're better off having the AAC champ (that is, the AAC gaining a contract bowl with a CFP bowl) than risking a Western Michigan and low ratings, low attendance, lower money. That's a steep climb but possibly doable.
If the next CFP restrucuture is an eight team playoff and ten or twelve bowls, there are actually a few paths for AAC inclusion on the right side of that restructure. 5-3 with highest ranked five champs. 5-1-2 with or without some state preference for the AAC champ. Straight 8 for the playoff but an AAC champ contract to a Cotton/Peach/Fiesta/Citrus/Liberty/New Bowl in an 8-team 10/12-bowl CFP.

Could the AAC still be shutout as a contract-bowl participant in any new 8-team CFP restructure? Sure. But you miss every shot you don't take.
Could some sort of Oklahoma or Texas move lead to old-school "realignment" instead of "restructure" as I have as a planning assumption? Sure, but honestly that's the kind of tectonic shifts that you can't plan ahead for and just deal with when they come.

That's what "P6" and the AAC Strategic Plan are about -- position the conference as a whole (since everybody put on their fanciest dresses but still didn't get asked to dance by the BigXII in 2016) to be on the right side of the next restructure in a few more years.
(And that's also why there are only a couple of candidates for expansion that make us look more like a P6 than the other four in the interim, and we don't want to take any candidates who make us look worse for that strategic goal)

Always the voice of reasoned logical thinking, well said.

Agree fully — both with slhNavy91's take and your point that he is a voice of reason and logic.
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(04-04-2021 11:44 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 10:54 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  AAC members would like to join a P5 conference. The money in a P5 is very appealing. An invite is not likely for most if not all AAC schools. Hoping for the AAC to become P6 is dreaming of a coronation.

The P5 can and will prevent the AAC from becoming a P6. They don't want competition in money, recruiting, exposure, and status.

But, they can't prevent the AAC from obtaining these values.

How can the AAC accomplish these goals?

1. Alabama and Clemson might be added as members.
2. A huge tech company might decide to pay the AAC large amounts of money.
3. The ACC might take steps toward these goals.

Only the last idea has any potential.

Ideas for Obtaining More Money and Exposure.
1. Creation of an AAC bowl.
2. Pay based On viewership.

An AAC Bowl could be created by obtaining "seed" money from members.

AAC members might be rewarded or "punished" for levels of viewers.
The AAC could provide more of its contract money to schools with great
viewership and less to schools with poor viewership. If a school's
viewership is good it would get more money to grow it. If a school's
viewership is poor it would get less money. A member must spend
money to obtain good viewership or its going to lose money. Generally,
this would raise viewership of AAC members. Raised viewership would
get raised revenues from media companies. Capitalism works.

There are undoubtedly other ideas. All the AAC needs is leaders with
backbones. If they don't take these or other ideas to grow the conference they are deciding the AAC will not succeed.

The 2016 BigXII expansion traveshamockery proved one thing - no single AAC school (or the other mwc etc) was worth being pulled into the existing "P5" conference structure at $30 million per school - didn't bring that additive value to the table.
Followon - no AAC school (or the other mwc etc) will bring the additive value to the table when the discussions are at $50 million per school.

So "realignment" is dead -- as we've all understood it looking back at the last couple decades of conferences picking individual schools which could add enough value to their conference.

With those assumptions, we should look ahead to the next round of College Football Playoff negotiations in 2025-26 as "restructure" vice "realignment."

And that is when, why, and how the AAC Strategic Plan, and the "P6" information campaign came about after the 2016 BigXII expansion traveshamockery.

Rather than single schools getting that Willie Wonka Golden Ticket -- which we were all unworthy of at a much cheaper price than in the next round -- the conference and its institutions looked at elevating the conference as a whole. Let's make the conference be perceived as being worth inclusion in that next restructure.

Legally speaking, there are two differences between the SEC, Big10, BigXII, ACC, and PAC12; and the AAC, mwc, MAC, SunBelt, and CUSA. First off five of those conferences have autonomous status in terms of governance, recognized by the NCAA. And secondly, the CFP structure differentiates between five conferences (plus ND) having contract relationships with the bowls in the CFP arrangement and five conferences NOT being bowl-contract-conferences.

When the SEC, Big10, BigXII, ACC, and PAC12 gained their autonomy status within NCAA governance, the AAC had an immediate response: we will do everything the autonomous conferences do -- they may make their own rules and set their own standards, but we will play by those rules and meet those standards. Full cost of attendance is the easy example for that. The other four non-autonomous conferences may or may not step up to those standards, but the AAC and I don't care.
So on that first difference, we could either just keep pace, or ask to be added, whcih might get a "no" I suggest we are in good standing just keeping pace.

The real answer to the AAC reaching the strategic goal is in being on the inside looking out, instead of the outside looking in, in the next restructure of the College Football Playoff.
The good news is that that doesn't necessarily require the five autonomous or contract-bowl conferences giving up $ they already have. The AAC isn't asking for any of their current slice of the pie - just asking for a slice of a bigger future pie.

If the next CFP restructure were a four team playoff and six bowls, that's a steep climb: we need to convince the Cotton/Peach/Fiesta Bowls that they're better off having the AAC champ (that is, the AAC gaining a contract bowl with a CFP bowl) than risking a Western Michigan and low ratings, low attendance, lower money. That's a steep climb but possibly doable.
If the next CFP restrucuture is an eight team playoff and ten or twelve bowls, there are actually a few paths for AAC inclusion on the right side of that restructure. 5-3 with highest ranked five champs. 5-1-2 with or without some state preference for the AAC champ. Straight 8 for the playoff but an AAC champ contract to a Cotton/Peach/Fiesta/Citrus/Liberty/New Bowl in an 8-team 10/12-bowl CFP.

Could the AAC still be shutout as a contract-bowl participant in any new 8-team CFP restructure? Sure. But you miss every shot you don't take.
Could some sort of Oklahoma or Texas move lead to old-school "realignment" instead of "restructure" as I have as a planning assumption? Sure, but honestly that's the kind of tectonic shifts that you can't plan ahead for and just deal with when they come.

That's what "P6" and the AAC Strategic Plan are about -- position the conference as a whole (since everybody put on their fanciest dresses but still didn't get asked to dance by the BigXII in 2016) to be on the right side of the next restructure in a few more years.
(And that's also why there are only a couple of candidates for expansion that make us look more like a P6 than the other four in the interim, and we don't want to take any candidates who make us look worse for that strategic goal)

Very good assessment. And personally, I would actually prefer the P6 model. I like our members. The only place I would rather be is the SEC, and that will never happen, so I like the company Memphis is currently keeping. There isn't a single team/school I would like to see leave our conference.
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(04-04-2021 10:54 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  AAC members would like to join a P5 conference. The money in a P5 is very appealing. An invite is not likely for most if not all AAC schools. Hoping for the AAC to become P6 is dreaming of a coronation.


Commissioner Aresco hopes and says that he is convinced that the AAC will become a P6. He's not just blowing smoke. He has put his credibility on the line.

Thank about it for a second...

What could you possibly know that Aresco doesn't know?

The truth is that he knows things that you and the rest of us don't know.



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Quote:The P5 can and will prevent the AAC from becoming a P6.

The only people who say that are playing a guessing game. You don't hear this kind of conspiracy theory coming from the insiders in universities or among journalists.

First of all, it would be a major violation of U.S. anti-trust law for any institution, conference, or group of institutions to do the slightest thing to try to prevent another conference from achieving autonomous and power status. They would get taken to the cleaners.. The AAC ain't playing patty-cake!

Besides, no P5 conference has any reason to give a r@t's backside if one of the networks wants to give the AAC the same kinds of privileges. There's enough go around. It's not going to cost them anything. In fact, they might end up being better off than they are now because it's well known that "a rising economic tide lifts all boats."

For example, adding a 6th power conference might help college football to steal some more eyeballs from the NFL.

Besides, even if they did care, what are they going to do - - take their toys and go home? Boycott? Refuse to play scheduled games? Of course not.

We've gotta put on our thinking caps. Aresco isn't some hayseed who fell off the back of a pickup truck. He knows what he's talking about. His strategic plan is not "pie in the sky."

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Quote:They don't want competition in money, recruiting, exposure, and status.

But, they can't prevent the AAC from obtaining these values.

Exactly. They can't even lift a finger. In fact, they've already been skating on thin ice as it is, when it comes to violations of anti-competitive practice laws.


Quote:How can the AAC accomplish these goals?

1. ...
2. ...
3. The ACC might take steps toward these goals.

Only the last idea has any potential.

Ideas for Obtaining More Money and Exposure.
1. Creation of an AAC bowl.
2. Pay based On viewership.

An AAC Bowl could be created by obtaining "seed" money from members.

That's a good point. They could. Maybe it's time that they start to build up a "strategic growth fund" which they can use to make strategic investments, such as setting up a high level bowl game, or setting up a challenge series with another conference.

Quote:AAC members might be rewarded or "punished" for levels of viewers.

Interesting idea, but since it would have to pass by a majority vote, I doubt that that kind of proposal is going to fly!

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Quote:All the AAC needs is leaders with backbones. If they don't take these or other ideas to grow the conference they are deciding the AAC will not succeed.

Now you're talking.
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(04-04-2021 11:44 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  The 2016 BigXII expansion traveshamockery proved one thing - no single AAC school (or the other mwc etc) was worth being pulled into the existing "P5" conference structure at $30 million per school - didn't bring that additive value to the table.
Followon - no AAC school (or the other mwc etc) will bring the additive value to the table when the discussions are at $50 million per school.

So "realignment" is dead -- as we've all understood it looking back at the last couple decades of conferences picking individual schools which could add enough value to their conference.

With those assumptions, we should look ahead to the next round of College Football Playoff negotiations in 2025-26 as "restructure" vice "realignment."

And that is when, why, and how the AAC Strategic Plan, and the "P6" information campaign came about after the 2016 BigXII expansion traveshamockery.

Rather than single schools getting that Willie Wonka Golden Ticket -- which we were all unworthy of at a much cheaper price than in the next round -- the conference and its institutions looked at elevating the conference as a whole. Let's make the conference be perceived as being worth inclusion in that next restructure.

Legally speaking, there are two differences between the SEC, Big10, BigXII, ACC, and PAC12; and the AAC, mwc, MAC, SunBelt, and CUSA. First off five of those conferences have autonomous status in terms of governance, recognized by the NCAA. And secondly, the CFP structure differentiates between five conferences (plus ND) having contract relationships with the bowls in the CFP arrangement and five conferences NOT being bowl-contract-conferences.

When the SEC, Big10, BigXII, ACC, and PAC12 gained their autonomy status within NCAA governance, the AAC had an immediate response: we will do everything the autonomous conferences do -- they may make their own rules and set their own standards, but we will play by those rules and meet those standards. Full cost of attendance is the easy example for that. The other four non-autonomous conferences may or may not step up to those standards, but the AAC and I don't care.
So on that first difference, we could either just keep pace, or ask to be added, whcih might get a "no" I suggest we are in good standing just keeping pace.

The real answer to the AAC reaching the strategic goal is in being on the inside looking out, instead of the outside looking in, in the next restructure of the College Football Playoff.
The good news is that that doesn't necessarily require the five autonomous or contract-bowl conferences giving up $ they already have. The AAC isn't asking for any of their current slice of the pie - just asking for a slice of a bigger future pie.

If the next CFP restructure were a four team playoff and six bowls, that's a steep climb: we need to convince the Cotton/Peach/Fiesta Bowls that they're better off having the AAC champ (that is, the AAC gaining a contract bowl with a CFP bowl) than risking a Western Michigan and low ratings, low attendance, lower money. That's a steep climb but possibly doable.
If the next CFP restrucuture is an eight team playoff and ten or twelve bowls, there are actually a few paths for AAC inclusion on the right side of that restructure. 5-3 with highest ranked five champs. 5-1-2 with or without some state preference for the AAC champ. Straight 8 for the playoff but an AAC champ contract to a Cotton/Peach/Fiesta/Citrus/Liberty/New Bowl in an 8-team 10/12-bowl CFP.

Could the AAC still be shutout as a contract-bowl participant in any new 8-team CFP restructure? Sure. But you miss every shot you don't take.
Could some sort of Oklahoma or Texas move lead to old-school "realignment" instead of "restructure" as I have as a planning assumption? Sure, but honestly that's the kind of tectonic shifts that you can't plan ahead for and just deal with when they come.

That's what "P6" and the AAC Strategic Plan are about -- position the conference as a whole (since everybody put on their fanciest dresses but still didn't get asked to dance by the BigXII in 2016) to be on the right side of the next restructure in a few more years.
(And that's also why there are only a couple of candidates for expansion that make us look more like a P6 than the other four in the interim, and we don't want to take any candidates who make us look worse for that strategic goal)


Correct - you've got to take a shot, and sometimes, you're going to get in. For example, with Cincy ranked in the top 8 at the end of the 2020 regular season, it would have been almost unthinkable to prevent them from getting a CFP slot. They might have tried to pull a fast one, but they're already skating on thin-enough ice with respect to prima facie violations of 15 U.S.C. §§ 1-7 and 15 U.S.C. §§ 12-27 as it is (such as packing the 2021 NCAA tournament with 29 A5/P5 at-large teams for the first time in history). There is a massive and growing body of evidence demonstrating actions consistent with cartel-type behavior. One of these days, they're going to get clobbered.

(04-04-2021 11:44 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  (Yesterday 10:44 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:
Could some sort of Oklahoma or Texas move lead to old-school "realignment" instead of "restructure" as I have as a planning assumption? Sure, but honestly that's the kind of tectonic shifts that you can't plan ahead for and just deal with when they come.

That's what "P6" and the AAC Strategic Plan are about -- position the conference as a whole (since everybody put on their fanciest dresses but still didn't get asked to dance by the BigXII in 2016) to be on the right side of the next restructure in a few more years (And that's also why there are only a couple of candidates for expansion that make us look more like a P6 than the other four in the interim, and we don't want to take any candidates who make us look worse for that strategic goal)

(04-05-2021 09:31 AM)vick mike Wrote:  Always the voice of reasoned logical thinking, well said.

(04-05-2021 12:19 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Agree fully — both with slhNavy91's take and your point that he is a voice of reason and logic.

The three of you are telling it like it is.
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(04-05-2021 11:59 AM)AusTxPony Wrote:  Don't get me wrong, I love the AAC and if there is no realignment, stay put as P6. But if I were Football Czar, I would force the following adds:
Big 12 - SMU, Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, and USF. (16)
PAC 12 - BYU, Boise, SDSU, and UNLV (16)
ACC - Navy football/Notre Dame basketball, and ECU (16)
Big 10 and SEC (14)
AAC, CUSA, Sun Belt realign into regional conferences. MWC add NMSU, UTEP, and MAC stet and go to the 8 team playoff, 5-2-1.

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(04-05-2021 02:02 PM)vick mike Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 11:59 AM)AusTxPony Wrote:  Don't get me wrong, I love the AAC and if there is no realignment, stay put as P6. But if I were Football Czar, I would force the following adds:
Big 12 - SMU, Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF, and USF. (16)
PAC 12 - BYU, Boise, SDSU, and UNLV (16)
ACC - Navy football/Notre Dame basketball, and ECU (16)
Big 10 and SEC (14)
AAC, CUSA, Sun Belt realign into regional conferences. MWC add NMSU, UTEP, and MAC stet and go to the 8 team playoff, 5-2-1.

Death penalty for you!

How is your academic reputation? Could y'all be an academic fit with the Big10 schools? I know that's a thing with them.
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The two offered ideas are manageable, i.e. managers can take corrective steps to ensure their success.

Critics of those ideas should offer alternative manageable ways of increasing viewership.

Without some activity to increase viewership the AAC will fall further and further, ..., and further behind.
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having an *** Official *** G5 bowl would be a huge step forward into cultivating more eyeballs or as some have said a AAC bowl, sooner the better
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i think it should be the Liberty bowl in memphis, it’s know to most fans
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(04-04-2021 10:54 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  AAC members would like to join a P5 conference. The money in a P5 is very appealing. An invite is not likely for most if not all AAC schools. Hoping for the AAC to become P6 is dreaming of a coronation.

The P5 can and will prevent the AAC from becoming a P6. They don't want competition in money, recruiting, exposure, and status.

But, they can't prevent the AAC from obtaining these values.

How can the AAC accomplish these goals?

1. Alabama and Clemson might be added as members.
2. A huge tech company might decide to pay the AAC large amounts of money.
3. The ACC might take steps toward these goals.

Only the last idea has any potential.

Ideas for Obtaining More Money and Exposure.
1. Creation of an AAC bowl.
2. Pay based On viewership.

An AAC Bowl could be created by obtaining "seed" money from members.

AAC members might be rewarded or "punished" for levels of viewers.
The AAC could provide more of its contract money to schools with great
viewership and less to schools with poor viewership. If a school's
viewership is good it would get more money to grow it. If a school's
viewership is poor it would get less money. A member must spend
money to obtain good viewership or its going to lose money. Generally,
this would raise viewership of AAC members. Raised viewership would
get raised revenues from media companies. Capitalism works.

There are undoubtedly other ideas. All the AAC needs is leaders with
backbones. If they don't take these or other ideas to grow the conference they are deciding the AAC will not succeed.

If you are going to go through all the steps, why not just renegotiate a new, shorter, contract with GOR?

That will probaly get the AAC just as far.
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(04-05-2021 09:21 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 08:06 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 07:44 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The AAC isn't getting an official seat at the table in the next playoff go around. The best that could happen and might happen is AAC and G4 continue an auto bid to NY 6 bowl, along with a 5--1--2 Playoff system. If that came to pass we would be in playoff's most years and almost always get the NY6 game on the years we don't get the playoff spot. The P5 are not going to give us a guaranteed seat at either table.

What happens when the Bearcats win the national championship this year?

Or, at the very least, make the playoffs....04-cheers

You both have found some really good stuff.
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(04-04-2021 11:44 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 10:54 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  AAC members would like to join a P5 conference. The money in a P5 is very appealing. An invite is not likely for most if not all AAC schools. Hoping for the AAC to become P6 is dreaming of a coronation.

The P5 can and will prevent the AAC from becoming a P6. They don't want competition in money, recruiting, exposure, and status.

But, they can't prevent the AAC from obtaining these values.

How can the AAC accomplish these goals?

1. Alabama and Clemson might be added as members.
2. A huge tech company might decide to pay the AAC large amounts of money.
3. The ACC might take steps toward these goals.

Only the last idea has any potential.

Ideas for Obtaining More Money and Exposure.
1. Creation of an AAC bowl.
2. Pay based On viewership.

An AAC Bowl could be created by obtaining "seed" money from members.

AAC members might be rewarded or "punished" for levels of viewers.
The AAC could provide more of its contract money to schools with great
viewership and less to schools with poor viewership. If a school's
viewership is good it would get more money to grow it. If a school's
viewership is poor it would get less money. A member must spend
money to obtain good viewership or its going to lose money. Generally,
this would raise viewership of AAC members. Raised viewership would
get raised revenues from media companies. Capitalism works.

There are undoubtedly other ideas. All the AAC needs is leaders with
backbones. If they don't take these or other ideas to grow the conference they are deciding the AAC will not succeed.

The 2016 BigXII expansion traveshamockery proved one thing - no single AAC school (or the other mwc etc) was worth being pulled into the existing "P5" conference structure at $30 million per school - didn't bring that additive value to the table.
Followon - no AAC school (or the other mwc etc) will bring the additive value to the table when the discussions are at $50 million per school.

So "realignment" is dead -- as we've all understood it looking back at the last couple decades of conferences picking individual schools which could add enough value to their conference.

With those assumptions, we should look ahead to the next round of College Football Playoff negotiations in 2025-26 as "restructure" vice "realignment."

And that is when, why, and how the AAC Strategic Plan, and the "P6" information campaign came about after the 2016 BigXII expansion traveshamockery.

Rather than single schools getting that Willie Wonka Golden Ticket -- which we were all unworthy of at a much cheaper price than in the next round -- the conference and its institutions looked at elevating the conference as a whole. Let's make the conference be perceived as being worth inclusion in that next restructure.

Legally speaking, there are two differences between the SEC, Big10, BigXII, ACC, and PAC12; and the AAC, mwc, MAC, SunBelt, and CUSA. First off five of those conferences have autonomous status in terms of governance, recognized by the NCAA. And secondly, the CFP structure differentiates between five conferences (plus ND) having contract relationships with the bowls in the CFP arrangement and five conferences NOT being bowl-contract-conferences.

When the SEC, Big10, BigXII, ACC, and PAC12 gained their autonomy status within NCAA governance, the AAC had an immediate response: we will do everything the autonomous conferences do -- they may make their own rules and set their own standards, but we will play by those rules and meet those standards. Full cost of attendance is the easy example for that. The other four non-autonomous conferences may or may not step up to those standards, but the AAC and I don't care.
So on that first difference, we could either just keep pace, or ask to be added, whcih might get a "no" I suggest we are in good standing just keeping pace.

The real answer to the AAC reaching the strategic goal is in being on the inside looking out, instead of the outside looking in, in the next restructure of the College Football Playoff.
The good news is that that doesn't necessarily require the five autonomous or contract-bowl conferences giving up $ they already have. The AAC isn't asking for any of their current slice of the pie - just asking for a slice of a bigger future pie.

If the next CFP restructure were a four team playoff and six bowls, that's a steep climb: we need to convince the Cotton/Peach/Fiesta Bowls that they're better off having the AAC champ (that is, the AAC gaining a contract bowl with a CFP bowl) than risking a Western Michigan and low ratings, low attendance, lower money. That's a steep climb but possibly doable.
If the next CFP restrucuture is an eight team playoff and ten or twelve bowls, there are actually a few paths for AAC inclusion on the right side of that restructure. 5-3 with highest ranked five champs. 5-1-2 with or without some state preference for the AAC champ. Straight 8 for the playoff but an AAC champ contract to a Cotton/Peach/Fiesta/Citrus/Liberty/New Bowl in an 8-team 10/12-bowl CFP.

Could the AAC still be shutout as a contract-bowl participant in any new 8-team CFP restructure? Sure. But you miss every shot you don't take.
Could some sort of Oklahoma or Texas move lead to old-school "realignment" instead of "restructure" as I have as a planning assumption? Sure, but honestly that's the kind of tectonic shifts that you can't plan ahead for and just deal with when they come.

That's what "P6" and the AAC Strategic Plan are about -- position the conference as a whole (since everybody put on their fanciest dresses but still didn't get asked to dance by the BigXII in 2016) to be on the right side of the next restructure in a few more years.
(And that's also why there are only a couple of candidates for expansion that make us look more like a P6 than the other four in the interim, and we don't want to take any candidates who make us look worse for that strategic goal)

Texas and Oklahoma will never leave the BIG XII for the PAC, more likely 2-4 PAC leave fr the BIG XII.

Everyone on this board is always bashing the PAC as being the weakest and barely able to being considered one of the A-5 until some BIG XII leave to make room for the AAC to backfill.
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(04-05-2021 04:44 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 11:44 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 10:54 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  AAC members would like to join a P5 conference. The money in a P5 is very appealing. An invite is not likely for most if not all AAC schools. Hoping for the AAC to become P6 is dreaming of a coronation.

The P5 can and will prevent the AAC from becoming a P6. They don't want competition in money, recruiting, exposure, and status.

But, they can't prevent the AAC from obtaining these values.

How can the AAC accomplish these goals?

1. Alabama and Clemson might be added as members.
2. A huge tech company might decide to pay the AAC large amounts of money.
3. The ACC might take steps toward these goals.

Only the last idea has any potential.

Ideas for Obtaining More Money and Exposure.
1. Creation of an AAC bowl.
2. Pay based On viewership.

An AAC Bowl could be created by obtaining "seed" money from members.

AAC members might be rewarded or "punished" for levels of viewers.
The AAC could provide more of its contract money to schools with great
viewership and less to schools with poor viewership. If a school's
viewership is good it would get more money to grow it. If a school's
viewership is poor it would get less money. A member must spend
money to obtain good viewership or its going to lose money. Generally,
this would raise viewership of AAC members. Raised viewership would
get raised revenues from media companies. Capitalism works.

There are undoubtedly other ideas. All the AAC needs is leaders with
backbones. If they don't take these or other ideas to grow the conference they are deciding the AAC will not succeed.

The 2016 BigXII expansion traveshamockery proved one thing - no single AAC school (or the other mwc etc) was worth being pulled into the existing "P5" conference structure at $30 million per school - didn't bring that additive value to the table.
Followon - no AAC school (or the other mwc etc) will bring the additive value to the table when the discussions are at $50 million per school.

So "realignment" is dead -- as we've all understood it looking back at the last couple decades of conferences picking individual schools which could add enough value to their conference.

With those assumptions, we should look ahead to the next round of College Football Playoff negotiations in 2025-26 as "restructure" vice "realignment."

And that is when, why, and how the AAC Strategic Plan, and the "P6" information campaign came about after the 2016 BigXII expansion traveshamockery.

Rather than single schools getting that Willie Wonka Golden Ticket -- which we were all unworthy of at a much cheaper price than in the next round -- the conference and its institutions looked at elevating the conference as a whole. Let's make the conference be perceived as being worth inclusion in that next restructure.

Legally speaking, there are two differences between the SEC, Big10, BigXII, ACC, and PAC12; and the AAC, mwc, MAC, SunBelt, and CUSA. First off five of those conferences have autonomous status in terms of governance, recognized by the NCAA. And secondly, the CFP structure differentiates between five conferences (plus ND) having contract relationships with the bowls in the CFP arrangement and five conferences NOT being bowl-contract-conferences.

When the SEC, Big10, BigXII, ACC, and PAC12 gained their autonomy status within NCAA governance, the AAC had an immediate response: we will do everything the autonomous conferences do -- they may make their own rules and set their own standards, but we will play by those rules and meet those standards. Full cost of attendance is the easy example for that. The other four non-autonomous conferences may or may not step up to those standards, but the AAC and I don't care.
So on that first difference, we could either just keep pace, or ask to be added, whcih might get a "no" I suggest we are in good standing just keeping pace.

The real answer to the AAC reaching the strategic goal is in being on the inside looking out, instead of the outside looking in, in the next restructure of the College Football Playoff.
The good news is that that doesn't necessarily require the five autonomous or contract-bowl conferences giving up $ they already have. The AAC isn't asking for any of their current slice of the pie - just asking for a slice of a bigger future pie.

If the next CFP restructure were a four team playoff and six bowls, that's a steep climb: we need to convince the Cotton/Peach/Fiesta Bowls that they're better off having the AAC champ (that is, the AAC gaining a contract bowl with a CFP bowl) than risking a Western Michigan and low ratings, low attendance, lower money. That's a steep climb but possibly doable.
If the next CFP restrucuture is an eight team playoff and ten or twelve bowls, there are actually a few paths for AAC inclusion on the right side of that restructure. 5-3 with highest ranked five champs. 5-1-2 with or without some state preference for the AAC champ. Straight 8 for the playoff but an AAC champ contract to a Cotton/Peach/Fiesta/Citrus/Liberty/New Bowl in an 8-team 10/12-bowl CFP.

Could the AAC still be shutout as a contract-bowl participant in any new 8-team CFP restructure? Sure. But you miss every shot you don't take.
Could some sort of Oklahoma or Texas move lead to old-school "realignment" instead of "restructure" as I have as a planning assumption? Sure, but honestly that's the kind of tectonic shifts that you can't plan ahead for and just deal with when they come.

That's what "P6" and the AAC Strategic Plan are about -- position the conference as a whole (since everybody put on their fanciest dresses but still didn't get asked to dance by the BigXII in 2016) to be on the right side of the next restructure in a few more years.
(And that's also why there are only a couple of candidates for expansion that make us look more like a P6 than the other four in the interim, and we don't want to take any candidates who make us look worse for that strategic goal)

Texas and Oklahoma will never leave the BIG XII for the PAC, more likely 2-4 PAC leave fr the BIG XII.

Everyone on this board is always bashing the PAC as being the weakest and barely able to being considered one of the A-5 until some BIG XII leave to make room for the AAC to backfill.

Sorry but you are wrong. No team from the PAC would leave for the Big12. The PAC is more than just an athletic conference, is also an academic conference and none of those schools would leave that to go and be second fiddle to an athletic conference that is run by Texas with the LHN. Is the reason Colorado left for PAC, reason Nebraska and Texas AM left for other conferences.
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