(01-06-2022 07:03 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 05:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 02:41 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  He is a role player. His role should be the backup PG receiving 10-12 minutes per game. That is not chump minutes either, that is 25% of the game... He just should not be the primary PG getting the majority of minutes. He should not be in the game the final few minutes and he certainly should be the guy taking shots to win games.

Point is, Penny hasn't recruited an adequate PG since he was hired. Boogie might have grown into a good PG had he been given the opportunity Lomax has received, but Penny wanted Lomax to be the PG. Timberlake really isn't a PG either. He is quick off the bounce & can get to the rim or dish but he isn't an outside threat either. Virtually every major program has a competent PG but we don't. That's not hate on Lomax, it's disappointment in Penny for putting Lomax in a position he can't handle.

I've said it before, loyalty is to be admired, blind loyalty isn't. If Penny doesn't attract an elite PG next season we should all be concerned. Given that Penny was a freakin PG much of his career I don't understand why he doesn't value that position. He needs to abandon the pipe-dream of playing positionless basketball unless and until he has the horses to run it.

Is it because he is looking for himself? A 6'8" point guard? A unicorn? Can't find one??? Make one. Recruit a bunch of tall talented players, and try to get one of them to transition to the position.

(01-05-2022 05:42 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 10:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 10:23 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 10:19 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 09:48 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I like Earl and he is multi-dimensional, but let's not act like he is an upgrade at the PG position.

Essentially he isn't the point guard. He's the guy who dribbles the ball up court then hands it off to the SG and the offense begins the motion/cut set.

And that isn't a bad thing. It is sort like how GSW does it with Draymond. Clearly Dray isn't a PG, but he can bring the ball up court and then hand the ball off for the set to begin.

In the last two games, he has a total of five assists and five turnovers...1:1 a/to ratio.

But he does a few key elements that Alo does not that make him a massive upgrade...

1. He does not dribble the ball for 10+ seconds and stall the offense
2. He can consistently get to the rim and finish
3. He draws fouls going to the rim and often finishes through contact (although he needs to improve free throw shooting)


Because of that the offense has much better rhythm with him on the court. Our offense does not require a Chris Paul style PG. It requires someone to set the offense in motion, not stall the offense and someone who forces his defender to actually recognize him as a scoring threat.

Over dribbling and stalling the offense is also why Bates was not working as our point guard. He is much better on the wing and getting the ball in the flow of the offense.

And they dont get to sag off of ALo on defense so it is 4 on 5. The floor opens up.

They ABSOLUTELY sag on ET. He is literally no threat to make a three. Hell, he's only taken 1 shot outside 20 feet all season.

Agreed...

The difference is teams are realizing that Earl is very difficult to stop if you allow him a head of steam towards the basket. Earl also cuts and is able to score when passed the ball in traffic. Teams can't ignore him.

ALo teams were essentially yelling "self check" when he was at the 3 point line

Yeah to me the biggest issue with Alo as mentioned is people do not feel they have to guard him, so in essence they have 5 guarding 4 which allows them to sag back in our bigs laps and also eliminates any driving lanes, other teams have to stay up on Earl or Tyler which spaces the floor much better

2 of the 3 officials that did the memphis-tulsa game

did the tennessee-ole miss game

Terry Wymer, Tony Greene

(01-06-2022 10:39 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  2 of the 3 officials that did the memphis-tulsa game

did the tennessee-ole miss game

Terry Wymer, Tony Greene

There should be some way to make refs accountable for their bad calls.

Why do they get such a pass? And do they have a mandatory retirement age? Some of them look ancient.

(01-06-2022 01:31 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 10:39 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  2 of the 3 officials that did the memphis-tulsa game

did the tennessee-ole miss game

Terry Wymer, Tony Greene

There should be some way to make refs accountable for their bad calls.

Why do they get such a pass? And do they have a mandatory retirement age? Some of them look ancient.

I have heard that their games are reviewed, and the bad ones don't get to ref the NCAA tournament... theoretically leaving the best to ref the finals. Don't know if that's true.

(01-06-2022 01:35 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 01:31 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 10:39 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  2 of the 3 officials that did the memphis-tulsa game

did the tennessee-ole miss game

Terry Wymer, Tony Greene

There should be some way to make refs accountable for their bad calls.

Why do they get such a pass? And do they have a mandatory retirement age? Some of them look ancient.

I have heard that their games are reviewed, and the bad ones don't get to ref the NCAA tournament... theoretically leaving the best to ref the finals. Don't know if that's true.

that Pat Driscoll with the charge call on minott at the end of the game
has done 4 final fours

what was so bad was he changed the call after looking at the memphis bench, it was under 2 minutes, should have been reviewed

(01-06-2022 10:39 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  2 of the 3 officials that did the memphis-tulsa game

did the tennessee-ole miss game

Terry Wymer, Tony Greene

the other one did Louisville/Pitt and made such a horrible call Capel from Pitt got a T in the first minute of the game, it was a terrible call and Capel lost it, don't see many T's in the first minute so that let's you know how bad it was

that crew was one of the worst I have ever seen

(01-06-2022 01:40 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 01:35 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 01:31 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 10:39 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  2 of the 3 officials that did the memphis-tulsa game

did the tennessee-ole miss game

Terry Wymer, Tony Greene

There should be some way to make refs accountable for their bad calls.

Why do they get such a pass? And do they have a mandatory retirement age? Some of them look ancient.

I have heard that their games are reviewed, and the bad ones don't get to ref the NCAA tournament... theoretically leaving the best to ref the finals. Don't know if that's true.

that Pat Driscoll with the charge call on minott at the end of the game
has done 4 final fours

what was so bad was he changed the call after looking at the memphis bench, it was under 2 minutes, should have been reviewed

i just rewatched the play

he wasnt looking at the memphis bench, he was looking at the
other official to make the call, the other official pointed back at him
to make the call, then he indicated a charge

so he blew his whistle, then did not want to make the call

it looked like they did review, but did not change the call

the tulsa player was moving to the right

(01-06-2022 02:05 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 01:40 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 01:35 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 01:31 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 10:39 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  2 of the 3 officials that did the memphis-tulsa game

did the tennessee-ole miss game

Terry Wymer, Tony Greene

There should be some way to make refs accountable for their bad calls.

Why do they get such a pass? And do they have a mandatory retirement age? Some of them look ancient.

I have heard that their games are reviewed, and the bad ones don't get to ref the NCAA tournament... theoretically leaving the best to ref the finals. Don't know if that's true.

that Pat Driscoll with the charge call on minott at the end of the game
has done 4 final fours

what was so bad was he changed the call after looking at the memphis bench, it was under 2 minutes, should have been reviewed

i just rewatched the play

he wasnt looking at the memphis bench, he was looking at the
other official to make the call, the other official pointed back at him
to make the call, then he indicated a charge

so he blew his whistle, then did not want to make the call

it looked like they did review, but did not change the call

the tulsa player was moving to the right

Those plays are 75% a block. Several years ago they were going to crack down on that. However, they still call a lot of charges when it's a block.

(01-06-2022 02:05 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 01:40 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 01:35 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 01:31 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 10:39 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  2 of the 3 officials that did the memphis-tulsa game

did the tennessee-ole miss game

Terry Wymer, Tony Greene

There should be some way to make refs accountable for their bad calls.

Why do they get such a pass? And do they have a mandatory retirement age? Some of them look ancient.

I have heard that their games are reviewed, and the bad ones don't get to ref the NCAA tournament... theoretically leaving the best to ref the finals. Don't know if that's true.

that Pat Driscoll with the charge call on minott at the end of the game
has done 4 final fours

what was so bad was he changed the call after looking at the memphis bench, it was under 2 minutes, should have been reviewed

i just rewatched the play

he wasnt looking at the memphis bench, he was looking at the
other official to make the call, the other official pointed back at him
to make the call, then he indicated a charge

so he blew his whistle, then did not want to make the call

it looked like they did review, but did not change the call

the tulsa player was moving to the right

I do not understand officials love affair with calling charging. Unless it is absolutely clear it was a charge then it should be ruled a blocking call every time. Undercutting players and calling it defense is incredibly dangerous. I really hope getting that out of the game like flopping becomes a point of emphasis.

(01-06-2022 09:28 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 07:03 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 05:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 02:41 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  He is a role player. His role should be the backup PG receiving 10-12 minutes per game. That is not chump minutes either, that is 25% of the game... He just should not be the primary PG getting the majority of minutes. He should not be in the game the final few minutes and he certainly should be the guy taking shots to win games.

Point is, Penny hasn't recruited an adequate PG since he was hired. Boogie might have grown into a good PG had he been given the opportunity Lomax has received, but Penny wanted Lomax to be the PG. Timberlake really isn't a PG either. He is quick off the bounce & can get to the rim or dish but he isn't an outside threat either. Virtually every major program has a competent PG but we don't. That's not hate on Lomax, it's disappointment in Penny for putting Lomax in a position he can't handle.

I've said it before, loyalty is to be admired, blind loyalty isn't. If Penny doesn't attract an elite PG next season we should all be concerned. Given that Penny was a freakin PG much of his career I don't understand why he doesn't value that position. He needs to abandon the pipe-dream of playing positionless basketball unless and until he has the horses to run it.

Is it because he is looking for himself? A 6'8" point guard? A unicorn? Can't find one??? Make one. Recruit a bunch of tall talented players, and try to get one of them to transition to the position.

Or find a 6'2" to 6'6" legitimate pg...

(01-06-2022 04:17 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 09:28 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(01-06-2022 07:03 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 05:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-05-2022 02:41 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  He is a role player. His role should be the backup PG receiving 10-12 minutes per game. That is not chump minutes either, that is 25% of the game... He just should not be the primary PG getting the majority of minutes. He should not be in the game the final few minutes and he certainly should be the guy taking shots to win games.

Point is, Penny hasn't recruited an adequate PG since he was hired. Boogie might have grown into a good PG had he been given the opportunity Lomax has received, but Penny wanted Lomax to be the PG. Timberlake really isn't a PG either. He is quick off the bounce & can get to the rim or dish but he isn't an outside threat either. Virtually every major program has a competent PG but we don't. That's not hate on Lomax, it's disappointment in Penny for putting Lomax in a position he can't handle.

I've said it before, loyalty is to be admired, blind loyalty isn't. If Penny doesn't attract an elite PG next season we should all be concerned. Given that Penny was a freakin PG much of his career I don't understand why he doesn't value that position. He needs to abandon the pipe-dream of playing positionless basketball unless and until he has the horses to run it.

Is it because he is looking for himself? A 6'8" point guard? A unicorn? Can't find one??? Make one. Recruit a bunch of tall talented players, and try to get one of them to transition to the position.

Or find a 6'2" to 6'6" legitimate pg...

Bingo! But while Penny may be looking for himself, he's giving Alo every possible chance to be something he's not capable of being but that both Penny & Alo want badly.