(04-06-2021 01:54 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 10:01 AM)schmolik Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 08:27 AM)XLance Wrote:  That list of 5 was no joke.
Few, Wright, Stevens and Miller all reached out to Bubba Cunningham, not the other way around. Cunningham did not have to make A SINGLE call to try to find a replacement.

Do you have evidence on that? I find it hard to believe Few contacted UNC the last 5 days considering he was a bit busy although if he did that might explain their lousy performance in the championship game...

Few and his wife are good friends with Roy Williams and his wife. Few likely called his friend to wish him well in retirement. Jay Wright is also a close friend. There is no way that UNC is hiring Hubert Davis if Few, Wright and Stevens were actually interested in the job. Carolina Dreaming...

Yes. No way UNC is hiring Davis over any of Few, Wright, or Stevens -- let alone all 3.

(04-06-2021 08:08 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 06:54 AM)esayem Wrote:  This is stupid. Hubert Davis was Roy Williams’ handpicked successor. End of story. Nothing to do with the color of the man’s skin.

esayem, I have a bridge in New York you might be interested in owning.

E-yes race had something to do with the hire, but not in the completely crass way that many think.

The fact that Carolina had never had a full-time black head coach is an issue with the faculty and some members of the boards. When the AFAM cheating scandal came to light it put a microscope on what UNC had been doing on behalf of black athletes to guarantee that they graduate.

On the UNC-Ch plantation you don't buck the system nor do you abuse the "hands". It's a form of classist paternalism where white people with money and power feel they have the obligation to look after all of the "help". The players are part of the help, just like secretaries, just like the cleaning service people, just like the janitors. Most of the faculty is just "help".

This paternalism both retards opportunities for some, but also protects some because the are under the protection umbrella of the Plantation.

I know of no public organization that covers up a turd better than UNC.

Long story short, yes a good part of Hubert's hire is complex racial and class politics that people who have not lived in this region probably can't understand. The good news is that Hubert does not have a temper problem and has better sense than to curse out or fire all of the old ladies who work for Roy.

Now some of you want to think race and class should not matter in America, but it does. In many ways class is a bigger issue than race because a lower class exists everywhere and visible minorities don't exist everywhere. The hire of Davis silences hundreds of Tar Heel voices that want to relitigate the Slave Past and Jim Crow past of UNC even though UNC has spent 60 years trying like Hell to bury all that.

It's a hire they can make in good conscience.

I suspect it will work out well for them.

(04-06-2021 01:05 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 09:56 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 08:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 03:50 PM)Statefan Wrote:  UNC has never had a permanent black head coach. Had they passed on Davis, they would have stoked internal problems that went beyond basketball. Since K is so old and NC State's program has not rebounded over the last 30 years it's a perfect time for them to give Davis a chance.

It's a shame that the University thought it more important to be woke than to hire the best person for the job.

Hubert Davis has been the coach-in-waiting for years and has tons of institutional knowledge and experience, but go off if you want to make it some sort of woke/cancel thing

For the first time, probably ever, I am going to come to XLance's defense. Re-read X-lance's post, dagummit!!!

X is lamenting the fact that UNC believes that it is more important to be politically correct than to coach basketball. And I have to agree with XLance on this. It is sad that what political views you believe are more important than the job that you were hired to do!!!

What X is lamenting isn't a fact. He is lamenting that he (XLance) believes that is UNC's motivation. None of us is privy to what UNC or its decision makers believe.

(04-06-2021 04:32 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 01:05 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 09:56 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 08:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 03:50 PM)Statefan Wrote:  UNC has never had a permanent black head coach. Had they passed on Davis, they would have stoked internal problems that went beyond basketball. Since K is so old and NC State's program has not rebounded over the last 30 years it's a perfect time for them to give Davis a chance.

It's a shame that the University thought it more important to be woke than to hire the best person for the job.

Hubert Davis has been the coach-in-waiting for years and has tons of institutional knowledge and experience, but go off if you want to make it some sort of woke/cancel thing

For the first time, probably ever, I am going to come to XLance's defense. Re-read X-lance's post, dagummit!!!

X is lamenting the fact that UNC believes that it is more important to be politically correct than to coach basketball. And I have to agree with XLance on this. It is sad that what political views you believe are more important than the job that you were hired to do!!!

What X is lamenting isn't a fact. He is lamenting that he (XLance) believes that is UNC's motivation. None of us is privy to what UNC or its decision makers believe.

(04-06-2021 08:30 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 08:25 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 08:08 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 06:54 AM)esayem Wrote:  This is stupid. Hubert Davis was Roy Williams’ handpicked successor. End of story. Nothing to do with the color of the man’s skin.

esayem, I have a bridge in New York you might be interested in owning.

So you really think if Williams’ handpicked successor were white it wouldn’t have happened?

I don’t disagree that his system wasn’t succeeding the last few seasons, but I blame him for that. He never seemed to be a distinguished X and O’s coach. He let his superior athletes run the floor and wear teams out. He needs an excellent PG to do that and hasn’t had one the past few seasons, coincidence? And no Cole Anthony and Caleb Love are not PG’s like Marshall or Lawson.

Williams and Smith had different philosophies so maybe Davis does too.

To answer your question, it would not have happened.

UNC hired Bill Guthridge when Dean Smith retired. The similarities of Guthridge-to-Davis and Smith-to-Williams are apparent. Hubert Davis checks every box for a UNC head coach...he’ll get his three years to prove his worth.

(04-07-2021 11:37 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 08:30 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 08:25 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 08:08 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 06:54 AM)esayem Wrote:  This is stupid. Hubert Davis was Roy Williams’ handpicked successor. End of story. Nothing to do with the color of the man’s skin.

esayem, I have a bridge in New York you might be interested in owning.

So you really think if Williams’ handpicked successor were white it wouldn’t have happened?

I don’t disagree that his system wasn’t succeeding the last few seasons, but I blame him for that. He never seemed to be a distinguished X and O’s coach. He let his superior athletes run the floor and wear teams out. He needs an excellent PG to do that and hasn’t had one the past few seasons, coincidence? And no Cole Anthony and Caleb Love are not PG’s like Marshall or Lawson.

Williams and Smith had different philosophies so maybe Davis does too.

To answer your question, it would not have happened.

UNC hired Bill Guthridge when Dean Smith retired. The similarities of Guthridge-to-Davis and Smith-to-Williams are apparent. Hubert Davis checks every box for a UNC head coach...he’ll get his three years to prove his worth.

In that case, Smith timed his retirement so that UNC had no choice but to go with Guthridge. Smith's intent was to give his loyal assistant three years worth of HC pay to boost his pension as a reward for his service. Unfortunately, Guthridge basically phoned it in after a year or so, leaving the cupboard bare for his successor, Doherty.

(04-07-2021 11:54 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-07-2021 11:37 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 08:30 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 08:25 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 08:08 AM)XLance Wrote:  
esayem, I have a bridge in New York you might be interested in owning.

So you really think if Williams’ handpicked successor were white it wouldn’t have happened?

I don’t disagree that his system wasn’t succeeding the last few seasons, but I blame him for that. He never seemed to be a distinguished X and O’s coach. He let his superior athletes run the floor and wear teams out. He needs an excellent PG to do that and hasn’t had one the past few seasons, coincidence? And no Cole Anthony and Caleb Love are not PG’s like Marshall or Lawson.

Williams and Smith had different philosophies so maybe Davis does too.

To answer your question, it would not have happened.

UNC hired Bill Guthridge when Dean Smith retired. The similarities of Guthridge-to-Davis and Smith-to-Williams are apparent. Hubert Davis checks every box for a UNC head coach...he’ll get his three years to prove his worth.

In that case, Smith timed his retirement so that UNC had no choice but to go with Guthridge. Smith's intent was to give his loyal assistant three years worth of HC pay to boost his pension as a reward for his service. Unfortunately, Guthridge basically phoned it in after a year or so, leaving the cupboard bare for his successor, Doherty.

Now I remember. Don’t disagree that in Guthridge’s final year (during the regular season), the team was uninspired. He took UNC to two Final Four finishes (in his 3 years)...he may have coasted in recruiting, but he coached during the tournament.

(04-07-2021 11:54 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-07-2021 11:37 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 08:30 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 08:25 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 08:08 AM)XLance Wrote:  
esayem, I have a bridge in New York you might be interested in owning.

So you really think if Williams’ handpicked successor were white it wouldn’t have happened?

I don’t disagree that his system wasn’t succeeding the last few seasons, but I blame him for that. He never seemed to be a distinguished X and O’s coach. He let his superior athletes run the floor and wear teams out. He needs an excellent PG to do that and hasn’t had one the past few seasons, coincidence? And no Cole Anthony and Caleb Love are not PG’s like Marshall or Lawson.

Williams and Smith had different philosophies so maybe Davis does too.

To answer your question, it would not have happened.

UNC hired Bill Guthridge when Dean Smith retired. The similarities of Guthridge-to-Davis and Smith-to-Williams are apparent. Hubert Davis checks every box for a UNC head coach...he’ll get his three years to prove his worth.

In that case, Smith timed his retirement so that UNC had no choice but to go with Guthridge. Smith's intent was to give his loyal assistant three years worth of HC pay to boost his pension as a reward for his service. Unfortunately, Guthridge basically phoned it in after a year or so, leaving the cupboard bare for his successor, Doherty.

That's a crock of ****.

Doh's problem was his quick temper and his treatment of Smith's staff in the office.

Never in a ******* million years would I have thought that I would have to defend Gut just in order to defend honest history. *** **** what a world.

Gut's Last Year - 22-13 - Final Four Appearence
Doh's First Year - 26-7 - First Place Regular Season Tie w Duke
Dohs Second - 8-20 - The meltdown
Doh's Last Year - 19-16
Roy Boy (Sometimes Called Huckleberry Hound) 19-11
Roy's Second - 33-4

As a lifelong NC State fan with eyes on the conference in person since 1972 I am astounded a the promulgation of **** that is not accurate. Gut did not leave the cupboard bare, because the UNC cupboard is never bare.

Doh's temper was similar to Dean's, K's and Norm Sloans all rolled up and added together. He was a Yankee in one of the most southern cultures in North America.

(04-07-2021 12:59 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(04-07-2021 11:54 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-07-2021 11:37 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 08:30 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 08:25 AM)esayem Wrote:  So you really think if Williams’ handpicked successor were white it wouldn’t have happened?

I don’t disagree that his system wasn’t succeeding the last few seasons, but I blame him for that. He never seemed to be a distinguished X and O’s coach. He let his superior athletes run the floor and wear teams out. He needs an excellent PG to do that and hasn’t had one the past few seasons, coincidence? And no Cole Anthony and Caleb Love are not PG’s like Marshall or Lawson.

Williams and Smith had different philosophies so maybe Davis does too.

To answer your question, it would not have happened.

UNC hired Bill Guthridge when Dean Smith retired. The similarities of Guthridge-to-Davis and Smith-to-Williams are apparent. Hubert Davis checks every box for a UNC head coach...he’ll get his three years to prove his worth.

In that case, Smith timed his retirement so that UNC had no choice but to go with Guthridge. Smith's intent was to give his loyal assistant three years worth of HC pay to boost his pension as a reward for his service. Unfortunately, Guthridge basically phoned it in after a year or so, leaving the cupboard bare for his successor, Doherty.

That's a crock of ****.

Doh's problem was his quick temper and his treatment of Smith's staff in the office.

Never in a ******* million years would I have thought that I would have to defend Gut just in order to defend honest history. *** **** what a world.

Gut's Last Year - 22-13 - Final Four Appearence
Doh's First Year - 26-7 - First Place Regular Season Tie w Duke
Dohs Second - 8-20 - The meltdown
Doh's Last Year - 19-16
Roy Boy (Sometimes Called Huckleberry Hound) 19-11
Roy's Second - 33-4

As a lifelong NC State fan with eyes on the conference in person since 1972 I am astounded a the promulgation of **** that is not accurate. Gut did not leave the cupboard bare, because the UNC cupboard is never bare.

Doh's temper was similar to Dean's, K's and Norm Sloans all rolled up and added together. He was a Yankee in one of the most southern cultures in North America.

My post was simply in response to an earlier one that compared the hiring of Davis to the hiring of Guthridge. I'm just saying that isn't an apt comparison. Guthridge was essentially hired with the understanding that he would be an interim, keeping the seat warm for a short time until Roy Williams came home to be the long term solution.

But Williams didn't follow the script. Doherty clearly wasn't UNC's first choice, and he proved to be a bad fit for all the reasons you cite. Carolina's cupboard wasn't bare for long, but it was bare briefly. Unfortunately, Doherty wasn't able to quickly capitalize on the talent he brought in during those lean years - talent that Williams took to the promised land.

Now, Williams believes that Davis is the right man for the long run at Carolina. Time will tell if he's right.

(04-07-2021 11:54 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(04-07-2021 11:37 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 08:30 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 08:25 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-06-2021 08:08 AM)XLance Wrote:  
esayem, I have a bridge in New York you might be interested in owning.

So you really think if Williams’ handpicked successor were white it wouldn’t have happened?

I don’t disagree that his system wasn’t succeeding the last few seasons, but I blame him for that. He never seemed to be a distinguished X and O’s coach. He let his superior athletes run the floor and wear teams out. He needs an excellent PG to do that and hasn’t had one the past few seasons, coincidence? And no Cole Anthony and Caleb Love are not PG’s like Marshall or Lawson.

Williams and Smith had different philosophies so maybe Davis does too.

To answer your question, it would not have happened.

UNC hired Bill Guthridge when Dean Smith retired. The similarities of Guthridge-to-Davis and Smith-to-Williams are apparent. Hubert Davis checks every box for a UNC head coach...he’ll get his three years to prove his worth.

In that case, Smith timed his retirement so that UNC had no choice but to go with Guthridge. Smith's intent was to give his loyal assistant three years worth of HC pay to boost his pension as a reward for his service. Unfortunately, Guthridge basically phoned it in after a year or so, leaving the cupboard bare for his successor, Doherty.

Guthridge relied on Phil Ford to recruit during a period when Ford was having personal difficulties.
Recruiting, more than coaching ability will determine Hubert's success.

Guthridge brought in Neil Fingleton!