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RE: Is it possible that the WAC will ever return to FBS?
(04-10-2021 12:48 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  Idaho is probably not a good choice. They are almost as far out of the WAC footprint as Seattle, and I don't think Seattle will leave the WAC because there is probably no where for them to go. It would be better for the WAC to lure someone like UTEP, UTSA or UNT, but I doubt if that would ever happen. They may be stuck with Incarnate Word or West Texas A&M, or someone else from Texas. They need someone who desires to go FBS and has the resources to do so.

I mean they dont NEED either of those. They dont have to go FBS. Besides, the schools that have the desire and resources already are FBS.
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(04-10-2021 01:12 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(04-10-2021 12:48 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  Idaho is probably not a good choice. They are almost as far out of the WAC footprint as Seattle, and I don't think Seattle will leave the WAC because there is probably no where for them to go. It would be better for the WAC to lure someone like UTEP, UTSA or UNT, but I doubt if that would ever happen. They may be stuck with Incarnate Word or West Texas A&M, or someone else from Texas. They need someone who desires to go FBS and has the resources to do so.

I mean they dont NEED either of those. They dont have to go FBS. Besides, the schools that have the desire and resources already are FBS.

You’re right and I expect what will happen is the WAC and ASUN will extend their scheduling alliance at least one more year. The WAC will have more time to pick the right team. But if Tarleton and/or Dixie State achieve Div 1 status the alliance will not be necessary.
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RE: Is it possible that the WAC will ever return to FBS?
Fbs football maybe possible with teams from the new Asun. There are enough teams for a good conference however they are or plan to be in two separate conferences. Perhaps there is a path to do that together.
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(04-10-2021 12:13 PM)46566 Wrote:  
(04-10-2021 11:58 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(04-10-2021 10:35 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(04-10-2021 09:58 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  The WAC is set to play FCS football this fall (2021). If the WAC was able to lure someone like Weber State or Northern Arizona or Idaho as number 14, and they upgraded their stadiums to at least 15,000 over the next several years, and offered the minimum number of scholarships and sponsored sports, they could potentially go FBS by the year 2030.

1. Why would Idaho want to be such a massive outlier?

2. Why would they go through the ordeal of dropping down, only to go back up? If you thought they were bad when they were FBS well they'll be even worse after the drop down debacle.


They're already worse. Not even looking at the team's strength, (they're 11-16 since the move), the team's attendance average even less at FCS playing schools like Montana, Montana State, PSU, Idaho St. etc. The opposite of what they thought would happen.

Honestly I think idaho is good where it is. I think Weber state, North Arizona or even Northern Colorado are better and easier options for both the Big Sky and the WAC to get or lose. It's like how I think the WAC may want to get rid of non football schools eventually. I think the WAC would be happy if the Big Sky takes Seattle to fill a Cal Poly or UC Davis Olympic spot in the Big Sky.

BSC ===> WAC
Northern AZ ---> WAC
Northern CO ---> WAC

WAC ===> BSC
Seattle ---> BSC
UT Valley -> BSC

Seattle and UT Valley are the most geographically northern universities in the WAC...the BSC would be a more Pacific Northwest oriented conference...the WAC would be a more Southwest oriented conference...both would be more geographically compact footprint...
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(Yesterday 01:05 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  
(04-10-2021 12:13 PM)46566 Wrote:  
(04-10-2021 11:58 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(04-10-2021 10:35 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(04-10-2021 09:58 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  The WAC is set to play FCS football this fall (2021). If the WAC was able to lure someone like Weber State or Northern Arizona or Idaho as number 14, and they upgraded their stadiums to at least 15,000 over the next several years, and offered the minimum number of scholarships and sponsored sports, they could potentially go FBS by the year 2030.

1. Why would Idaho want to be such a massive outlier?

2. Why would they go through the ordeal of dropping down, only to go back up? If you thought they were bad when they were FBS well they'll be even worse after the drop down debacle.


They're already worse. Not even looking at the team's strength, (they're 11-16 since the move), the team's attendance average even less at FCS playing schools like Montana, Montana State, PSU, Idaho St. etc. The opposite of what they thought would happen.

Honestly I think idaho is good where it is. I think Weber state, North Arizona or even Northern Colorado are better and easier options for both the Big Sky and the WAC to get or lose. It's like how I think the WAC may want to get rid of non football schools eventually. I think the WAC would be happy if the Big Sky takes Seattle to fill a Cal Poly or UC Davis Olympic spot in the Big Sky.

BSC ===> WAC
Northern AZ ---> WAC
Northern CO ---> WAC

WAC ===> BSC
Seattle ---> BSC
UT Valley -> BSC

Seattle and UT Valley are the most geographically northern universities in the WAC...the BSC would be a more Pacific Northwest oriented conference...the WAC would be a more Southwest oriented conference...both would be more geographically compact footprint...

What happens to Seattle and UTRGV's baseball and men's soccer programs??
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(04-05-2021 10:23 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 08:54 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  I'm sure glad that you CUSA and SBC guys don't get to decide who is FBS and who isn't. Let's let the individual schools and conferences and the NCAA make that decision.


Hate gatekeepers. App got dissed a lot by many fans of G5 schools. If a school wants to fund FBS football then let them.

I agree
I see arguments on here all the time school A could never do it.
Their stadium is too small school is too small no fan base .
I watched too small CCU with a too small stadium and fan base move up. Their stadium is still smallish but kinda perfect their arena is small.
Take SUU their bigger than CCU stadium is comparable to Coastal's maybe ten years ago. Same could be said of Dixie St both have better basketball arenas . Somehow they can't do what Coastal already did.
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(Yesterday 08:35 AM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 10:23 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 08:54 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  I'm sure glad that you CUSA and SBC guys don't get to decide who is FBS and who isn't. Let's let the individual schools and conferences and the NCAA make that decision.


Hate gatekeepers. App got dissed a lot by many fans of G5 schools. If a school wants to fund FBS football then let them.

I agree
I see arguments on here all the time school A could never do it.
Their stadium is too small school is too small no fan base .
I watched too small CCU with a too small stadium and fan base move up. Their stadium is still smallish but kinda perfect their arena is small.
Take SUU their bigger than CCU stadium is comparable to Coastal's maybe ten years ago. Same could be said of Dixie St both have better basketball arenas . Somehow they can't do what Coastal already did.

But coastal was extremely successful in a lot of sports AND they kind of came out of left field and hit the ground running with facilities improvements. Most of the arguments on here are "if school x just does this that and this then they could meet the bare minimum for FBS". Often time those schools dont even have plans to do anything, its just wishful thinking by certain posters. Coastal just went and did what they needed to and is outperforming everyones expectations. Most importantly an FBS conference saw the potential in them and invited them. That hasnt happened with any of the fantasy FBS schools for a reason.
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Will the WAC invite Incarnate Word? Will Incarnate Word make moves to improve men’s basketball? Will Incarnate Word upgrade their athletic facilities? Will the WAC take more time and continue to consider West Texas A&M? If the WAC doesn't invite WT will they consider a Southland invite to move back to Div 1? Will the WAC and ASUN extend their scheduling agreement? Will UTRGV actually start a football program?
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(Yesterday 09:47 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 08:35 AM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 10:23 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 08:54 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  I'm sure glad that you CUSA and SBC guys don't get to decide who is FBS and who isn't. Let's let the individual schools and conferences and the NCAA make that decision.


Hate gatekeepers. App got dissed a lot by many fans of G5 schools. If a school wants to fund FBS football then let them.

I agree
I see arguments on here all the time school A could never do it.
Their stadium is too small school is too small no fan base .
I watched too small CCU with a too small stadium and fan base move up. Their stadium is still smallish but kinda perfect their arena is small.
Take SUU their bigger than CCU stadium is comparable to Coastal's maybe ten years ago. Same could be said of Dixie St both have better basketball arenas . Somehow they can't do what Coastal already did.

But coastal was extremely successful in a lot of sports AND they kind of came out of left field and hit the ground running with facilities improvements. Most of the arguments on here are "if school x just does this that and this then they could meet the bare minimum for FBS". Often time those schools dont even have plans to do anything, its just wishful thinking by certain posters. Coastal just went and did what they needed to and is outperforming everyones expectations. Most importantly an FBS conference saw the potential in them and invited them. That hasnt happened with any of the fantasy FBS schools for a reason.

Coastal is also the only G5 team in their state. There's a good amount of talent in multiple sports that USC & Clemson don't sign up that CCU can keep in-state. That's not true for SUU or Dixie State at this point. Utah doesn't have that much football and basketball talent.

The only thing that would have set Coastal up for better success would have been being in Charleston. The place is so provincial that they'd have a bunch of fans who refuse to support those backwoods teams from Columbia and Clemson (itself some boondock wagon stop between the two hick, frontier outposts of Anderson and Greenville to a true Charlestonian). I'd love to see how the College of Charleston would have done if they had beaten CCU to the punch on football.
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