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(04-07-2021 09:15 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  
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(04-06-2021 11:23 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  And you believe that describes a position in the Memphis offense?

When you have a bunch of guys who cannot get their own shot on the floor...You need someone to facilitate the offense.

Boogie was not that guy...Heck Boogie struggled to get his own shot most nights.

Boogie is a good player but he must play with a facilitator if you want your offense to be successful. Without Lomax the only other consistent facilitator we had was Williams. That is why when Williams got in foul trouble we struggled.

In the Memphis offense the system is the facilitator & it allows the playmakers to use the system to make plays & it varies from opponent to opponent & match up to match up. - it's not BB as it used to be played. The "classic PG" has the ball in his hands too much to make the Memphis offense consistently productive. In the Memphis offense if a single player has the ball in his hands for an extended time but can't create his own shot, he's a liability.

Everyone created shots for teammates better than Boogie and Baugh. Our offense was run like that because it was useless with Boogie and Baugh running it.

You have it backwards.

Stick to Hockey DUMB PUCK 03-shhhh

I'll stick to hockey, and you can stick to grade 3 spelling and grammar, like we have for the last 50 years.
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(04-07-2021 12:02 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
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(04-06-2021 05:18 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  I know I'm going to regret this, but...What in the world are you talking about?

No one is diminishing the competition down the stretch. And I love the shots that Boogie hit. What we are saying, along with Fraschilla and everyone else, is that Boogie is not a classic PG. If he was, we wouldn't have seen DJ and Deandre running more point than he was.

You are describing Boogie as a Shooting Guard.

I'm still waiting on some one to define the "classic PG". And then describe how'd that fits in the Memphis offense/defense scheme.

wiki is your friend...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_guard

And you believe that describes a position in the Memphis offense?

When you have a bunch of guys who cannot get their own shot on the floor...You need someone to facilitate the offense.

Boogie was not that guy...Heck Boogie struggled to get his own shot most nights.

Boogie is a good player but he must play with a facilitator if you want your offense to be successful. Without Lomax the only other consistent facilitator we had was Williams. That is why when Williams got in foul trouble we struggled.

You nailed it.
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(04-07-2021 12:02 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
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(04-06-2021 07:18 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 05:18 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  I know I'm going to regret this, but...What in the world are you talking about?

No one is diminishing the competition down the stretch. And I love the shots that Boogie hit. What we are saying, along with Fraschilla and everyone else, is that Boogie is not a classic PG. If he was, we wouldn't have seen DJ and Deandre running more point than he was.

You are describing Boogie as a Shooting Guard.

I'm still waiting on some one to define the "classic PG". And then describe how'd that fits in the Memphis offense/defense scheme.

wiki is your friend...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_guard

And you believe that describes a position in the Memphis offense?

When you have a bunch of guys who cannot get their own shot on the floor...You need someone to facilitate the offense.

Boogie was not that guy...Heck Boogie struggled to get his own shot most nights.

Boogie is a good player but he must play with a facilitator if you want your offense to be successful. Without Lomax the only other consistent facilitator we had was Williams. That is why when Williams got in foul trouble we struggled.

......... taking note that your example of the Memphis facilitator is a 6'9" forward. Yes the Memphis offense provides for anyone on the floor to serve in that role. And regarding Boogie, he could get to the rim off the dribble about as good as anyone on our team - he could get his shot often enough down the stretch games to score big at times.
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(04-08-2021 09:03 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 12:02 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 11:23 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 09:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 07:18 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I'm still waiting on some one to define the "classic PG". And then describe how'd that fits in the Memphis offense/defense scheme.

wiki is your friend...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_guard

And you believe that describes a position in the Memphis offense?

When you have a bunch of guys who cannot get their own shot on the floor...You need someone to facilitate the offense.

Boogie was not that guy...Heck Boogie struggled to get his own shot most nights.

Boogie is a good player but he must play with a facilitator if you want your offense to be successful. Without Lomax the only other consistent facilitator we had was Williams. That is why when Williams got in foul trouble we struggled.

......... taking note that your example of the Memphis facilitator is a 6'9" forward. Yes the Memphis offense provides for anyone on the floor to serve in that role. And regarding Boogie, he could get to the rim off the dribble about as good as anyone on our team - he could get his shot often enough down the stretch games to score big at times.

You are right...Memphis offense doesn't care who facilitates...Breaks down the defense and gets others involved...

But Boogie didn't do that. That is why even in the last few games the players starting the offense were DJ and Deandre.

You continue to say Boogie could get to rim easily yet he has the worst 2 point shooting percentage on the team...And the only regular player who shot less FT Per game than him was Nolley.

I know, I know...Stats don't matter.
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(04-08-2021 05:02 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 09:03 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 12:02 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 11:23 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 09:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  wiki is your friend...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_guard

And you believe that describes a position in the Memphis offense?

When you have a bunch of guys who cannot get their own shot on the floor...You need someone to facilitate the offense.

Boogie was not that guy...Heck Boogie struggled to get his own shot most nights.

Boogie is a good player but he must play with a facilitator if you want your offense to be successful. Without Lomax the only other consistent facilitator we had was Williams. That is why when Williams got in foul trouble we struggled.

......... taking note that your example of the Memphis facilitator is a 6'9" forward. Yes the Memphis offense provides for anyone on the floor to serve in that role. And regarding Boogie, he could get to the rim off the dribble about as good as anyone on our team - he could get his shot often enough down the stretch games to score big at times.

You are right...Memphis offense doesn't care who facilitates...Breaks down the defense and gets others involved...

But Boogie didn't do that. That is why even in the last few games the players starting the offense were DJ and Deandre.

You continue to say Boogie could get to rim easily yet he has the worst 2 point shooting percentage on the team...And the only regular player who shot less FT Per game than him was Nolley.

I know, I know...Stats don't matter.

Good points.
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(04-08-2021 05:02 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 09:03 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 12:02 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 11:23 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 09:44 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  wiki is your friend...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_guard

And you believe that describes a position in the Memphis offense?

When you have a bunch of guys who cannot get their own shot on the floor...You need someone to facilitate the offense.

Boogie was not that guy...Heck Boogie struggled to get his own shot most nights.

Boogie is a good player but he must play with a facilitator if you want your offense to be successful. Without Lomax the only other consistent facilitator we had was Williams. That is why when Williams got in foul trouble we struggled.

......... taking note that your example of the Memphis facilitator is a 6'9" forward. Yes the Memphis offense provides for anyone on the floor to serve in that role. And regarding Boogie, he could get to the rim off the dribble about as good as anyone on our team - he could get his shot often enough down the stretch games to score big at times.

You are right...Memphis offense doesn't care who facilitates...Breaks down the defense and gets others involved...

But Boogie didn't do that. That is why even in the last few games the players starting the offense were DJ and Deandre.

You continue to say Boogie could get to rim easily yet he has the worst 2 point shooting percentage on the team...And the only regular player who shot less FT Per game than him was Nolley.

I know, I know...Stats don't matter.

Of our guards, who got to the rim off the dribble better than Boogie?
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(04-08-2021 11:02 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 05:02 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 09:03 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 12:02 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 11:23 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  And you believe that describes a position in the Memphis offense?

When you have a bunch of guys who cannot get their own shot on the floor...You need someone to facilitate the offense.

Boogie was not that guy...Heck Boogie struggled to get his own shot most nights.

Boogie is a good player but he must play with a facilitator if you want your offense to be successful. Without Lomax the only other consistent facilitator we had was Williams. That is why when Williams got in foul trouble we struggled.

......... taking note that your example of the Memphis facilitator is a 6'9" forward. Yes the Memphis offense provides for anyone on the floor to serve in that role. And regarding Boogie, he could get to the rim off the dribble about as good as anyone on our team - he could get his shot often enough down the stretch games to score big at times.

You are right...Memphis offense doesn't care who facilitates...Breaks down the defense and gets others involved...

But Boogie didn't do that. That is why even in the last few games the players starting the offense were DJ and Deandre.

You continue to say Boogie could get to rim easily yet he has the worst 2 point shooting percentage on the team...And the only regular player who shot less FT Per game than him was Nolley.

I know, I know...Stats don't matter.

Of our guards, who got to the rim off the dribble better than Boogie?

Baugh
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(04-08-2021 11:05 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 11:02 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 05:02 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 09:03 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 12:02 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  When you have a bunch of guys who cannot get their own shot on the floor...You need someone to facilitate the offense.

Boogie was not that guy...Heck Boogie struggled to get his own shot most nights.

Boogie is a good player but he must play with a facilitator if you want your offense to be successful. Without Lomax the only other consistent facilitator we had was Williams. That is why when Williams got in foul trouble we struggled.

......... taking note that your example of the Memphis facilitator is a 6'9" forward. Yes the Memphis offense provides for anyone on the floor to serve in that role. And regarding Boogie, he could get to the rim off the dribble about as good as anyone on our team - he could get his shot often enough down the stretch games to score big at times.

You are right...Memphis offense doesn't care who facilitates...Breaks down the defense and gets others involved...

But Boogie didn't do that. That is why even in the last few games the players starting the offense were DJ and Deandre.

You continue to say Boogie could get to rim easily yet he has the worst 2 point shooting percentage on the team...And the only regular player who shot less FT Per game than him was Nolley.

I know, I know...Stats don't matter.

Of our guards, who got to the rim off the dribble better than Boogie?

Baugh

So the guy who avg'd 3.4 pts/games gets to the rim off the dribble better than Boogie?
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(04-09-2021 06:31 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
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(04-08-2021 11:02 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 05:02 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 09:03 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  ......... taking note that your example of the Memphis facilitator is a 6'9" forward. Yes the Memphis offense provides for anyone on the floor to serve in that role. And regarding Boogie, he could get to the rim off the dribble about as good as anyone on our team - he could get his shot often enough down the stretch games to score big at times.

You are right...Memphis offense doesn't care who facilitates...Breaks down the defense and gets others involved...

But Boogie didn't do that. That is why even in the last few games the players starting the offense were DJ and Deandre.

You continue to say Boogie could get to rim easily yet he has the worst 2 point shooting percentage on the team...And the only regular player who shot less FT Per game than him was Nolley.

I know, I know...Stats don't matter.

Of our guards, who got to the rim off the dribble better than Boogie?

Baugh

So the guy who avg'd 3.4 pts/games gets to the rim off the dribble better than Boogie?

He absolutely does.
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(04-09-2021 06:31 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
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(04-08-2021 11:02 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
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(04-08-2021 09:03 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  ......... taking note that your example of the Memphis facilitator is a 6'9" forward. Yes the Memphis offense provides for anyone on the floor to serve in that role. And regarding Boogie, he could get to the rim off the dribble about as good as anyone on our team - he could get his shot often enough down the stretch games to score big at times.

You are right...Memphis offense doesn't care who facilitates...Breaks down the defense and gets others involved...

But Boogie didn't do that. That is why even in the last few games the players starting the offense were DJ and Deandre.

You continue to say Boogie could get to rim easily yet he has the worst 2 point shooting percentage on the team...And the only regular player who shot less FT Per game than him was Nolley.

I know, I know...Stats don't matter.

Of our guards, who got to the rim off the dribble better than Boogie?

Baugh

So the guy who avg'd 3.4 pts/games gets to the rim off the dribble better than Boogie?

Boogie could get to the rim, but he sure wasn't going to lift his head up to see if anyone was open to pass the ball to, and when he got there, he wasn't making a high percentage of his shots.

I comment on posts about Boogie, DJ and Baugh as they relate to this past season and how the changes impact us going forward. Otherwise, I don't spend any time at all caring about any of them.
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(04-03-2021 08:54 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
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(04-02-2021 09:00 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Ike has learned from the street TIGERNATION will have a transfer coming in who is close to LOCK status
Ike can't name names but Ike can say the Dude can play point if needed but most importantly he is a shooter with a
UNBELIEVABLE TREY BALL. Penny's got this relax and lay low, Ike will give additional information when the time is right, at the moment another high powered program is pressing the Dude.
Ike and his sources r confident the Dude will select TIGERNATION. Bye Boogie

So we're not looking for a PG? Or we can't get a high level PG willing to play less than 50% of the minutes?

Lomax played 21.6 minutes per game for a team with literally no other point guard. According to Atlanta, if we get a great point guard, he will play LESS than Lomax. That is how completely clueless some of our fans are.

You are correct sir. So many ARE clueless.
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(04-09-2021 07:58 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  
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(04-08-2021 05:02 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  You are right...Memphis offense doesn't care who facilitates...Breaks down the defense and gets others involved...

But Boogie didn't do that. That is why even in the last few games the players starting the offense were DJ and Deandre.

You continue to say Boogie could get to rim easily yet he has the worst 2 point shooting percentage on the team...And the only regular player who shot less FT Per game than him was Nolley.

I know, I know...Stats don't matter.

Of our guards, who got to the rim off the dribble better than Boogie?

Baugh

So the guy who avg'd 3.4 pts/games gets to the rim off the dribble better than Boogie?

He absolutely does.

03-lmfao. I too believe Baugh could get to the rim off the dribble effectively but when you play 12 mins per game & only avg 3.4 pts, it's virtually impossible to draw that conclusion while Boogie was
getting to the rim off the dribble several times per game in his 20+mins per game. And no other guards were doing that effectively. And BTW, my comment that BOOGIE could get to the rim off the dribble was in response to the idea some have expressed that he could not get/create his own shot.

And don't be like some of these morons that argue relentlessly around here, if Baugh plays more that 12 mins on avg, it only shows he is less effective.
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(04-09-2021 09:29 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
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(04-08-2021 11:02 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Of our guards, who got to the rim off the dribble better than Boogie?

Baugh

So the guy who avg'd 3.4 pts/games gets to the rim off the dribble better than Boogie?

He absolutely does.

03-lmfao. I too believe Baugh could get to the rim off the dribble effectively but when you play 12 mins per game & only avg 3.4 pts, it's virtually impossible to draw that conclusion while Boogie was
getting to the rim off the dribble several times per game in his 20+mins per game. And no other guards were doing that effectively.

BAUGH
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- 55 games 13+ minutes
- 2 games 12> minutes

Even though he has been corrected dozens of times, Atlanta insists that Baugh was playing 12 minutes per game. Shame on anyone for attempting to have a rational debate with someone who is so thick; so oblivious, and so lazy.
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Rasir Bolton, Iowa State transferring

Hmm
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(04-09-2021 01:35 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Rasir Bolton, Iowa State transferring

Hmm

That is the piece we need.
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Crazy explosive, reminds me of Derrick Rose.. Penny might be going after Mac McClung one more time.. Hope he gets him this time around.

Quote:Memphis Tigers

Memphis made his list of seven schools last year and Boogie Ellis and Damion Baugh are both leaving, meaning the Tigers are in need of backcourt help. Memphis brings in four freshmen but none can really step into a primary ball-handling role and none will likely shoulder the scoring load that McClung can.

Penny is notorious for being aggressive in the transfer portal and it’s likely he’ll make another run at Mac McClung. Penny has already added Miami forward Earl Timberlake into the mix for next season as he tries to build on the NIT Championship the Tigers won this spring.









https://bustingbrackets.com/2021/04/14/n...c-mcclung/
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(04-14-2021 11:48 PM)passat25 Wrote:  Crazy explosive, reminds me of Derrick Rose.. Penny might be going after Mac McClung one more time.. Hope he gets him this time around.

Quote:Memphis Tigers

Memphis made his list of seven schools last year and Boogie Ellis and Damion Baugh are both leaving, meaning the Tigers are in need of backcourt help. Memphis brings in four freshmen but none can really step into a primary ball-handling role and none will likely shoulder the scoring load that McClung can.

Penny is notorious for being aggressive in the transfer portal and it’s likely he’ll make another run at Mac McClung. Penny has already added Miami forward Earl Timberlake into the mix for next season as he tries to build on the NIT Championship the Tigers won this spring.









https://bustingbrackets.com/2021/04/14/n...c-mcclung/

MM is an absolute SUPERSTAR.....That being said....He’s good enough to get a contract or at least Overseas....Will be hard to land him here, IMHO.....If it can be done....Penny is the guy.....I’m REALLY excited about Rashir he’s the key piece that would make this team crescendo.....MM as well, either of those two would be the MOST dynamic in some time here and would definitely be a spark to Penny’s system
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IMHO, Deandre W returning helps us at the point guard position. Wasn't he known as ' a really good point guard from evansville" when he arrived in Memphis ? He has been more of a gritty point forward for the Tigers. But , he was/is MORE THAN CAPABLE of bringing ball up court and running offense.
Also, many of the miami highlights I have seen of Earl Timberlake have him running the point.
Deandre, Earl, Lomax rotating at the point would be a great lineup. Of course, Deandre and Earl could also spend time at the 3 spot.
I worry more about picking up a big man if we lose Cisse.
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(04-15-2021 05:46 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  IMHO, Deandre W returning helps us at the point guard position. Wasn't he known as ' a really good point guard from evansville" when he arrived in Memphis ? He has been more of a gritty point forward for the Tigers. But , he was/is MORE THAN CAPABLE of bringing ball up court and running offense.
Also, many of the miami highlights I have seen of Earl Timberlake have him running the point.
Deandre, Earl, Lomax rotating at the point would be a great lineup. Of course, Deandre and Earl could also spend time at the 3 spot.
I worry more about picking up a big man if we lose Cisse.

I’d be more worried if we didn’t have Dandridge. Maybe he makes a junior leap.
04-15-2021 07:21 AM
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RE: HELP WANTED...... NEED DYNAMIC GUARD.......
(04-15-2021 07:21 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 05:46 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  IMHO, Deandre W returning helps us at the point guard position. Wasn't he known as ' a really good point guard from evansville" when he arrived in Memphis ? He has been more of a gritty point forward for the Tigers. But , he was/is MORE THAN CAPABLE of bringing ball up court and running offense.
Also, many of the miami highlights I have seen of Earl Timberlake have him running the point.
Deandre, Earl, Lomax rotating at the point would be a great lineup. Of course, Deandre and Earl could also spend time at the 3 spot.
I worry more about picking up a big man if we lose Cisse.

I’d be more worried if we didn’t have Dandridge. Maybe he makes a junior leap.

I don’t trust a big who has had knee issues for over 2 years.
04-15-2021 08:02 AM
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