You guys love kicking schools down the way davidst loves adding them in and both have the same chances of happening, zilch.

(04-10-2021 07:42 PM)clpp01 Wrote:  You guys love kicking schools down the way davidst loves adding them in and both have the same chances of happening, zilch.

Yes. And as you alluded to, there is definitely irony in it.

(04-10-2021 07:42 PM)clpp01 Wrote:  You guys love kicking schools down the way davidst loves adding them in and both have the same chances of happening, zilch.

I used to say that, but with NIL (name, image, likeness) coming around, I am not so sure now. It has been proven, consistently I might add, that football does indeed drive the bus, and there are some institutions that are willing to spend more on it than others do. But, there are institutions out there that realize that they can't spend a whole bunch on football, but have found a niche in other sports, like basketball or baseball. Although the Big East was highly criticized for its hybrid make-up pre-split with the American, it actually showed how conferences could combine tradition with solid earning power.

(04-11-2021 08:35 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-10-2021 07:42 PM)clpp01 Wrote:  You guys love kicking schools down the way davidst loves adding them in and both have the same chances of happening, zilch.

I used to say that, but with NIL (name, image, likeness) coming around, I am not so sure now. It has been proven, consistently I might add, that football does indeed drive the bus, and there are some institutions that are willing to spend more on it than others do. But, there are institutions out there that realize that they can't spend a whole bunch on football, but have found a niche in other sports, like basketball or baseball. Although the Big East was highly criticized for its hybrid make-up pre-split with the American, it actually showed how conferences could combine tradition with solid earning power.

IMO NIL will impact basketball as much as it will football. Once we get to this point it won’t be a discussion revolving around keeping or cutting football it will be whether or not to shut down the entire athletic department. For those like Duke who can produce enough revenue through basketball alone they will carry on but for the vast majority of these schools who aren’t able to do so those doors are going to close for good

So what’s the prevailing thought right now?

ESPN wants to 100% own the SEC, ACC, and Big 12–with no realignment and own the rights to an 8 team playoff?

(04-15-2021 03:58 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So what’s the prevailing thought right now?

ESPN wants to 100% own the SEC, ACC, and Big 12–with no realignment and own the rights to an 8 team playoff?

Corporate priorities really.

1. Secure as much product as is possible before other entities (not competing networks) get involved and lock it up for a decade or longer so Disney has time to transition.

2. Wait for the court cases to clear so you know how best to monetize the product you have.

3. Arrange the product so that produces maximum yield. For business people this means product placement for the most views and impulse buys. The same applies to television. You can sell a ton of Alabama when Ohio State is next to it and vice versa. That's how the structure will arise. What structures yield the greatest probability of placing high value product against high value product to drive the national audience during the regular season? Will that structure yield a high enough % of high dollar product advancing to the the playoff rounds?

When Disney/FOX know this formula that is what realignment will be designed to give. Form follows function. If the function is to maximize ad revenue thereby maximizing the ROI then the Form of conferences, divisions in conferences, and playoffs will be designed to make that have the highest probability of happening with strong 2nd schools of choice there for the years the true darlings don't have it and surrounded with enough middling teams to make it look legit.

(04-15-2021 03:58 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So what’s the prevailing thought right now?

ESPN wants to 100% own the SEC, ACC, and Big 12–with no realignment and own the rights to an 8 team playoff?

If ESPN owned all of the SEC, ACC and Big 12, I would think shuffling a few schools around to create better markets/rivalries would be expected. After all there would be no point in investing a lot of money without making it profitable for all (especially ESPN).

Hypothetically speaking, this type of three conference alignment may produce those results:

Big 12
Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State

SEC
LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, NC State, Virginia Tech, Tennessee, Kentucky

ACC
Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Virginia, Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami, Louisville, Vanderbilt

Notre Dame continues to play 5 games per year with the ACC (plus their other sports), but schedules one SEC game and one Big 12 game per year. Those SEC and Big 12 games should be 2 game home & home series chosen by Notre Dame and ESPN to maximize exposure for both and don't have to rotate throughout the entire conference.

(04-16-2021 05:25 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 03:58 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So what’s the prevailing thought right now?

ESPN wants to 100% own the SEC, ACC, and Big 12–with no realignment and own the rights to an 8 team playoff?

If ESPN owned all of the SEC, ACC and Big 12, I would think shuffling a few schools around to create better markets/rivalries would be expected. After all there would be no point in investing a lot of money without making it profitable for all (especially ESPN).

Hypothetically speaking, this type of three conference alignment may produce those results:

Big 12
Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State

SEC
LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, NC State, Virginia Tech, Tennessee, Kentucky

ACC
Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Virginia, Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami, Louisville, Vanderbilt

Notre Dame continues to play 5 games per year with the ACC (plus their other sports), but schedules one SEC game and one Big 12 game per year. Those SEC and Big 12 games should be 2 game home & home series chosen by Notre Dame and ESPN to maximize exposure for both and don't have to rotate throughout the entire conference.

Unless ESPN is going to pay the Big 12 and ACC the same crazy rights as they are paying the SEC, you’re not going to get Vanderbilt, TAMU, Missouri, and Arkansas to leave their current homes.

(04-16-2021 07:42 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 05:25 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 03:58 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So what’s the prevailing thought right now?

ESPN wants to 100% own the SEC, ACC, and Big 12–with no realignment and own the rights to an 8 team playoff?

If ESPN owned all of the SEC, ACC and Big 12, I would think shuffling a few schools around to create better markets/rivalries would be expected. After all there would be no point in investing a lot of money without making it profitable for all (especially ESPN).

Hypothetically speaking, this type of three conference alignment may produce those results:

Big 12
Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State

SEC
LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, NC State, Virginia Tech, Tennessee, Kentucky

ACC
Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Virginia, Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami, Louisville, Vanderbilt

Notre Dame continues to play 5 games per year with the ACC (plus their other sports), but schedules one SEC game and one Big 12 game per year. Those SEC and Big 12 games should be 2 game home & home series chosen by Notre Dame and ESPN to maximize exposure for both and don't have to rotate throughout the entire conference.

Unless ESPN is going to pay the Big 12 and ACC the same crazy rights as they are paying the SEC, you’re not going to get Vanderbilt, TAMU, Missouri, and Arkansas to leave their current homes.

Why not?
Those schools may find that their costs go down wile their revenues from sources other than media income would actually go up, and nobody said that ESPN wouldn't "help" them out.
You are truly missing the big picture. ESPN wouldn't request (or demand) the movement if it weren't good for the network and viewership, which in turn would be positive for all concerned. Higher revenue, less expense, more and better rivalries.....those are just prudent business decisions.

(04-16-2021 12:07 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 07:42 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 05:25 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 03:58 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So what’s the prevailing thought right now?

ESPN wants to 100% own the SEC, ACC, and Big 12–with no realignment and own the rights to an 8 team playoff?

If ESPN owned all of the SEC, ACC and Big 12, I would think shuffling a few schools around to create better markets/rivalries would be expected. After all there would be no point in investing a lot of money without making it profitable for all (especially ESPN).

Hypothetically speaking, this type of three conference alignment may produce those results:

Big 12
Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State

SEC
LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, NC State, Virginia Tech, Tennessee, Kentucky

ACC
Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Virginia, Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami, Louisville, Vanderbilt

Notre Dame continues to play 5 games per year with the ACC (plus their other sports), but schedules one SEC game and one Big 12 game per year. Those SEC and Big 12 games should be 2 game home & home series chosen by Notre Dame and ESPN to maximize exposure for both and don't have to rotate throughout the entire conference.

Unless ESPN is going to pay the Big 12 and ACC the same crazy rights as they are paying the SEC, you’re not going to get Vanderbilt, TAMU, Missouri, and Arkansas to leave their current homes.

Why not?
Those schools may find that their costs go down wile their revenues from sources other than media income would actually go up, and nobody said that ESPN wouldn't "help" them out.
You are truly missing the big picture. ESPN wouldn't request (or demand) the movement if it weren't good for the network and viewership, which in turn would be positive for all concerned. Higher revenue, less expense, more and better rivalries.....those are just prudent business decisions.

It’s not that I’m missing the big picture—the picture you’re trying to make just doesn’t make any sense.

(04-16-2021 12:07 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 07:42 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(04-16-2021 05:25 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-15-2021 03:58 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So what’s the prevailing thought right now?

ESPN wants to 100% own the SEC, ACC, and Big 12–with no realignment and own the rights to an 8 team playoff?

If ESPN owned all of the SEC, ACC and Big 12, I would think shuffling a few schools around to create better markets/rivalries would be expected. After all there would be no point in investing a lot of money without making it profitable for all (especially ESPN).

Hypothetically speaking, this type of three conference alignment may produce those results:

Big 12
Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arkansas, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State

SEC
LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, NC State, Virginia Tech, Tennessee, Kentucky

ACC
Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Virginia, Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami, Louisville, Vanderbilt

Notre Dame continues to play 5 games per year with the ACC (plus their other sports), but schedules one SEC game and one Big 12 game per year. Those SEC and Big 12 games should be 2 game home & home series chosen by Notre Dame and ESPN to maximize exposure for both and don't have to rotate throughout the entire conference.

Unless ESPN is going to pay the Big 12 and ACC the same crazy rights as they are paying the SEC, you’re not going to get Vanderbilt, TAMU, Missouri, and Arkansas to leave their current homes.

Why not?
Those schools may find that their costs go down wile their revenues from sources other than media income would actually go up, and nobody said that ESPN wouldn't "help" them out.
You are truly missing the big picture. ESPN wouldn't request (or demand) the movement if it weren't good for the network and viewership, which in turn would be positive for all concerned. Higher revenue, less expense, more and better rivalries.....those are just prudent business decisions.

Since it's not, of course, they won't.

You know A&M and Missouri already chose to leave that Big 12?

Big 12 should expand by 8 and go after CBS time slots, 300 million

(05-07-2021 09:06 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Big 12 should expand by 8 and go after CBS time slots, 300 million

CBS wasn't willing to pay that much for SEC football. Why would they be willing to pay that much for any other conference? They wouldn't.