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RE: Baugh in transfer portal
(04-15-2021 07:40 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(04-14-2021 11:06 PM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Micah Peavey also going to TCU. With Baugh at PG, that's a pretty good backcourt.

Davion Warren was a POY candidate and leading scorer in the Big South. Yet it seems most here expect him to play a reserve role (at most) for Memphis. Baugh going from a reserve role at Memphis to starting PG at TCU would be a stretch, I think.

I have no idea who plays for TCU...

But Baugh is not a bad player...He has the ability to be a starter. But this years Baugh should not be a starter on a high level team.
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RE: Baugh in transfer portal
(04-15-2021 07:40 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(04-14-2021 11:06 PM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Micah Peavey also going to TCU. With Baugh at PG, that's a pretty good backcourt.

Davion Warren was a POY candidate and leading scorer in the Big South. Yet it seems most here expect him to play a reserve role (at most) for Memphis. Baugh going from a reserve role at Memphis to starting PG at TCU would be a stretch, I think.

Not most. A couple of posters. The data shows the exact opposite. He should play 20 plus minutes per game and be in our top 5 in scoring.
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RE: Baugh in transfer portal
(04-15-2021 07:40 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(04-14-2021 11:06 PM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Micah Peavey also going to TCU. With Baugh at PG, that's a pretty good backcourt.

Davion Warren was a POY candidate and leading scorer in the Big South. Yet it seems most here expect him to play a reserve role (at most) for Memphis. Baugh going from a reserve role at Memphis to starting PG at TCU would be a stretch, I think.

He may not start at PG, but I think he'll get more minutes in their backcourt rotation than he did in ours.

To your other comment, the roster matters. Can't compare Davion coming to Memphis to Damion going to TCU. Damion is going down to a weaker roster. Davion is moving up to a stringer roster.
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RE: Baugh in transfer portal
(04-15-2021 07:40 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(04-14-2021 11:06 PM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Micah Peavey also going to TCU. With Baugh at PG, that's a pretty good backcourt.

Davion Warren was a POY candidate and leading scorer in the Big South. Yet it seems most here expect him to play a reserve role (at most) for Memphis. Baugh going from a reserve role at Memphis to starting PG at TCU would be a stretch, I think.

If Cisse and Nolley return, who does he replace in the starting lineup? Lomax or Cisse. Don't think he's starting in front of Nolley , LQ or DW. It's not about his talent but the talent around him and who he is replacing.
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RE: Baugh in transfer portal
(04-15-2021 10:04 AM)Irse Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 07:40 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(04-14-2021 11:06 PM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Micah Peavey also going to TCU. With Baugh at PG, that's a pretty good backcourt.

Davion Warren was a POY candidate and leading scorer in the Big South. Yet it seems most here expect him to play a reserve role (at most) for Memphis. Baugh going from a reserve role at Memphis to starting PG at TCU would be a stretch, I think.

If Cisse and Nolley return, who does he replace in the starting lineup? Lomax or Cisse. Don't think he's starting in front of Nolley , LQ or DW. It's not about his talent but the talent around him and who he is replacing.

The question is can Davion Handle the ball and play defense.

If he is lacking in either one of those areas he better be able to score at a high level or he is going to struggle to get playing time.
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RE: Baugh in transfer portal
(04-15-2021 10:04 AM)Irse Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 07:40 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(04-14-2021 11:06 PM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Micah Peavey also going to TCU. With Baugh at PG, that's a pretty good backcourt.

Davion Warren was a POY candidate and leading scorer in the Big South. Yet it seems most here expect him to play a reserve role (at most) for Memphis. Baugh going from a reserve role at Memphis to starting PG at TCU would be a stretch, I think.

If Cisse and Nolley return, who does he replace in the starting lineup? Lomax or Cisse. Don't think he's starting in front of Nolley , LQ or DW. It's not about his talent but the talent around him and who he is replacing.

We just had 66 minutes transfer out, and we have Timberlake, Warren and Minott that should grab the bulk of them. We exert so much energy defensively and we are going to continue getting into foul trouble, so the minutes will work themselves out. There will be a numbers crunch if we manage to pick up a quality point guard. In that case, that would push Lomax down into the 15 minute range.

I think LQ, Nolley, Timberlake, Warren, Lomax each start with a base of 20 minutes, Minott at 10 minutes, with the players playing the best in every game working their way into the mid 20's.
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RE: Baugh in transfer portal
(04-15-2021 10:23 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 10:04 AM)Irse Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 07:40 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(04-14-2021 11:06 PM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Micah Peavey also going to TCU. With Baugh at PG, that's a pretty good backcourt.

Davion Warren was a POY candidate and leading scorer in the Big South. Yet it seems most here expect him to play a reserve role (at most) for Memphis. Baugh going from a reserve role at Memphis to starting PG at TCU would be a stretch, I think.

If Cisse and Nolley return, who does he replace in the starting lineup? Lomax or Cisse. Don't think he's starting in front of Nolley , LQ or DW. It's not about his talent but the talent around him and who he is replacing.

The question is can Davion Handle the ball and play defense.

If he is lacking in either one of those areas he better be able to score at a high level or he is going to struggle to get playing time.

Defense and making shots out of the gate are the keys. Kessee, Barham, Jeff Robinson, and to a lesser extent Wingett, are examples of players that started slow and never really recovered. If Warren plays decent defense and hits shots there will be plenty of minutes for him. At the very least, he replaces someone in Baugh that was a horrible ball handler. Boogie wasn't great either.
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RE: Baugh in transfer portal
(04-15-2021 10:31 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 10:04 AM)Irse Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 07:40 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(04-14-2021 11:06 PM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Micah Peavey also going to TCU. With Baugh at PG, that's a pretty good backcourt.

Davion Warren was a POY candidate and leading scorer in the Big South. Yet it seems most here expect him to play a reserve role (at most) for Memphis. Baugh going from a reserve role at Memphis to starting PG at TCU would be a stretch, I think.

If Cisse and Nolley return, who does he replace in the starting lineup? Lomax or Cisse. Don't think he's starting in front of Nolley , LQ or DW. It's not about his talent but the talent around him and who he is replacing.

We just had 66 minutes transfer out, and we have Timberlake, Warren and Minott that should grab the bulk of them. We exert so much energy defensively and we are going to continue getting into foul trouble, so the minutes will work themselves out. There will be a numbers crunch if we manage to pick up a quality point guard. In that case, that would push Lomax down into the 15 minute range.

I think LQ, Nolley, Timberlake, Warren, Lomax each start with a base of 20 minutes, Minott at 10 minutes, with the players playing the best in every game working their way into the mid 20's.

I guess I see things differently. I see LQ, DW, and Nolley getting closer to 30 than 20. I also Dandridge being more healthy and Cisse improving (if he returns) and both getting almost 20 min each and Sam getting a couple of minutes per half. If we get a healthy Timberlake and a quality point guard, that's going to eat up much of the remaining minutes, with Jayden even having a smaller role. And I can't see Lomax and Jayden losing too many minutes. Just because of the connection with the HC.
So basically
C minutes (Dandridge, Cisse, Sam)
PG minutes (newcomer, Lomax, Jayden a little)
PF/SF/SG minutes (120 total) DW, LQ, LN (almost 90) Timberlake 20, Jayden and Minott a little. That leaves 10 for Warren and if we get another transfer. Plus Camden may get a few here and there.
I know it's an oversimplification but I really liked it when LQ, DW, and Nolley were closer to 30 min mark.
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RE: Baugh in transfer portal
(04-15-2021 11:05 AM)Irse Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 10:31 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 10:04 AM)Irse Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 07:40 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(04-14-2021 11:06 PM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Micah Peavey also going to TCU. With Baugh at PG, that's a pretty good backcourt.

Davion Warren was a POY candidate and leading scorer in the Big South. Yet it seems most here expect him to play a reserve role (at most) for Memphis. Baugh going from a reserve role at Memphis to starting PG at TCU would be a stretch, I think.

If Cisse and Nolley return, who does he replace in the starting lineup? Lomax or Cisse. Don't think he's starting in front of Nolley , LQ or DW. It's not about his talent but the talent around him and who he is replacing.

We just had 66 minutes transfer out, and we have Timberlake, Warren and Minott that should grab the bulk of them. We exert so much energy defensively and we are going to continue getting into foul trouble, so the minutes will work themselves out. There will be a numbers crunch if we manage to pick up a quality point guard. In that case, that would push Lomax down into the 15 minute range.

I think LQ, Nolley, Timberlake, Warren, Lomax each start with a base of 20 minutes, Minott at 10 minutes, with the players playing the best in every game working their way into the mid 20's.

I guess I see things differently. I see LQ, DW, and Nolley getting closer to 30 than 20. I also Dandridge being more healthy and Cisse improving (if he returns) and both getting almost 20 min each and Sam getting a couple of minutes per half. If we get a healthy Timberlake and a quality point guard, that's going to eat up much of the remaining minutes, with Jayden even having a smaller role. And I can't see Lomax and Jayden losing too many minutes. Just because of the connection with the HC.
So basically
C minutes (Dandridge, Cisse, Sam)
PG minutes (newcomer, Lomax, Jayden a little)
PF/SF/SG minutes (120 total) DW, LQ, LN (almost 90) Timberlake 20, Jayden and Minott a little. That leaves 10 for Warren and if we get another transfer. Plus Camden may get a few here and there.
I know it's an oversimplification but I really liked it when LQ, DW, and Nolley were closer to 30 min mark.

None of the 3 played much better or worse offensively, when they played a lot of minutes, but I doubt they defended as well. I really like the idea of turning up the pressure even more defensively. I think that's doable by continuing to spread out the minutes a little more than giving anyone 30 minutes.

I'll bet anyone that Warren is going to get more than 10 minutes. At 6'5, he has a decent shot to split a lot of the minutes at the 3 with Timberlake and to a lesser extent, LQ. He turns the ball over way too much, but he also had 15 games with at least 3 assists. Boogie had only 4. I think playing less minutes, with less of a burden to have the ball in his hands, he will be able to shoot more efficiently than he did last year.

Things will get real when it comes to minutes, IF we sign a great point guard. Until then, everything will work itself out.
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RE: Baugh in transfer portal
(04-15-2021 09:59 AM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 07:40 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(04-14-2021 11:06 PM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Micah Peavey also going to TCU. With Baugh at PG, that's a pretty good backcourt.

Davion Warren was a POY candidate and leading scorer in the Big South. Yet it seems most here expect him to play a reserve role (at most) for Memphis. Baugh going from a reserve role at Memphis to starting PG at TCU would be a stretch, I think.

He may not start at PG, but I think he'll get more minutes in their backcourt rotation than he did in ours.

To your other comment, the roster matters. Can't compare Davion coming to Memphis to Damion going to TCU. Damion is going down to a weaker roster. Davion is moving up to a stringer roster.

I’m not saying I’d expect Davion to put up those kind of numbers here. I’m only saying Baugh has yet to put them up anywhere. Maybe he does end up starting, but I think it’s going to take time. That or he could be the next
Dave Bing for all I know.
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RE: Baugh in transfer portal
(04-15-2021 12:09 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 09:59 AM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  
(04-15-2021 07:40 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
(04-14-2021 11:06 PM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Micah Peavey also going to TCU. With Baugh at PG, that's a pretty good backcourt.

Davion Warren was a POY candidate and leading scorer in the Big South. Yet it seems most here expect him to play a reserve role (at most) for Memphis. Baugh going from a reserve role at Memphis to starting PG at TCU would be a stretch, I think.

He may not start at PG, but I think he'll get more minutes in their backcourt rotation than he did in ours.

To your other comment, the roster matters. Can't compare Davion coming to Memphis to Damion going to TCU. Damion is going down to a weaker roster. Davion is moving up to a stringer roster.

I’m not saying I’d expect Davion to put up those kind of numbers here. I’m only saying Baugh has yet to put them up anywhere. Maybe he does end up starting, but I think it’s going to take time. That or he could be the next
Dave Bing for all I know.

We will never know, but no matter how many minutes he would have had against the weakest competition; I don't see how Boogie would have scored 21 points per game last year. He wasn't consistent enough. Warren scored double figures in every game last year except one, when he scored 8 in 16 minutes while fouling out.

The difference in the level of competition was massive, but for what it's worth, Warren was quite consistent. Boogie was the opposite.
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(04-14-2021 11:06 PM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Micah Peavey also going to TCU. With Baugh at PG, that's a pretty good backcourt.

If Baugh is starting at PG, then it's not a pretty good high-major backcourt.
But they did have 8 guys transfer out (+1 other likely), so there are lots of minutes to go around.
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