(04-03-2021 02:59 PM)macgar32 Wrote: Boogie was a good player and I am sure everyone wanted him to stay...
But the narrative that Penny playing ALo is the reason he didn't develop needs to stop...It is just not based in fact.
Boogie had his best game of the season in the first game.
Boogie leaving was not Lomax, I've said it over & over. It wouldn't matter if it were Baugh, LQ, NOLLEY, etc - it wasn't personal. Boogie left for minutes & he wanted them at PG - his only real ticket to the NBA.
(04-03-2021 12:18 AM)Tiger87 Wrote: It's not cherry picking to say that Boogie was a non-factor in 2 of the 4 NIT games - and that is the problem. He was so inconsistent. The anti-Penny gang that is using this to take shots want to tell everyone Boogie exploded in the NIT when he was given the green light. He had 1 great game, 1 good game, and 2 ineffective games.
But it's understandable from the anti-Penny gang that they come out of the woodwork to take their shots now. They had to bite their tongues for the last 2 months as the team played the best ball we've seen around here in 7-9 years. It had to be killing them.
Jeez, what about the 6 games before? Ok, he didn’t produce in 2 of the last 10 games. Horrible! Inconsistent! I never said he was the next Derrick Rose, but in the last 10 games he was our leading scorer. I’d take him back in a heartbeat.
Just pointing out that he hadn't "figured it all out" by end of season "without A-lo looking over his shoulder". The NIT was his Memphis career in a nutshell. Signs of being really good, but half the time he was MIA.
It's possible the NIT could be the high point of his college career.
I think if he goes back to the West Coast and gets comfortable in his bubble, he can continue to improve. Might be an all-conference player within the next 2 years. He ain't going to make the NBA though with his struggles.
I think Boogie can make the NBA
Boogie needs to maintain his confidence...He also needs to get much stronger so he can score through contact.
(04-03-2021 12:35 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote: Jeez, what about the 6 games before? Ok, he didn’t produce in 2 of the last 10 games. Horrible! Inconsistent! I never said he was the next Derrick Rose, but in the last 10 games he was our leading scorer. I’d take him back in a heartbeat.
Just pointing out that he hadn't "figured it all out" by end of season "without A-lo looking over his shoulder". The NIT was his Memphis career in a nutshell. Signs of being really good, but half the time he was MIA.
It's possible the NIT could be the high point of his college career.
I think if he goes back to the West Coast and gets comfortable in his bubble, he can continue to improve. Might be an all-conference player within the next 2 years. He ain't going to make the NBA though with his struggles.
I think Boogie can make the NBA
Boogie needs to maintain his confidence...He also needs to get much stronger so he can score through contact.
Too inconsistent. And the reason is mental weakness. The NBA is no place for that. I guess it's possible he can totally overcome that. I expect him to improve next year. But I think it's highly unlikely.
(04-03-2021 02:59 PM)macgar32 Wrote: Boogie was a good player and I am sure everyone wanted him to stay...
But the narrative that Penny playing ALo is the reason he didn't develop needs to stop...It is just not based in fact.
Boogie had his best game of the season in the first game.
Boogie leaving was not Lomax, I've said it over & over. It wouldn't matter if it were Baugh, LQ, NOLLEY, etc - it wasn't personal. Boogie left for minutes & he wanted them at PG - his only real ticket to the NBA.
Isn't that the reason he decommited from Duke, Tre Jones was returning.
(04-03-2021 09:50 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: Just pointing out that he hadn't "figured it all out" by end of season "without A-lo looking over his shoulder". The NIT was his Memphis career in a nutshell. Signs of being really good, but half the time he was MIA.
It's possible the NIT could be the high point of his college career.
I think if he goes back to the West Coast and gets comfortable in his bubble, he can continue to improve. Might be an all-conference player within the next 2 years. He ain't going to make the NBA though with his struggles.
I think Boogie can make the NBA
Boogie needs to maintain his confidence...He also needs to get much stronger so he can score through contact.
Too inconsistent. And the reason is mental weakness. The NBA is no place for that. I guess it's possible he can totally overcome that. I expect him to improve next year. But I think it's highly unlikely.
No reason whatsoever to make this statement, being a second year player, there's going to be weaknesses, some more than others and some the next-level feels can be developed at the next level, hence.....NBDL D is for developmental....Boogie being hard on himself should also not be misconstrued as weakness, as this trait can possibly propel one to greatness, Boogies third year could have been and still possibly could be monumental.....If he were given the opportunity to start here definitely, I honestly believe he would be first team and begin to garner interest and get on next level teams radar.....
Boogies senior season here would have been "Sky's the limit" with astronomical potential......A player doesn't make the type of plays that Boogie makes being weak.....Look how much abuse Boogie was taking when teams collapsed on him.....What did he do, bounce right back up and attack attack attack......IMHO, Boogie was the catalyst, as he kept pushing forward no matter what....Loved taking the BIG shots no matter how many he previously missed....That's NOT a weakness folks.......That's an asset
(04-03-2021 02:59 PM)macgar32 Wrote: Boogie was a good player and I am sure everyone wanted him to stay...
But the narrative that Penny playing ALo is the reason he didn't develop needs to stop...It is just not based in fact.
Boogie had his best game of the season in the first game.
Boogie leaving was not Lomax, I've said it over & over. It wouldn't matter if it were Baugh, LQ, NOLLEY, etc - it wasn't personal. Boogie left for minutes & he wanted them at PG - his only real ticket to the NBA.
Isn't that the reason he decommited from Duke, Tre Jones was returning.
Don't know, likely Boogie didn't like the idea of shared minutes whether Duke or Memphis. But Boogie's only NBA chance is PG. So he's chasing more minutes.
Hate to say it but Boogie is not a point guard and never will be. He doesn’t have the right mentality for it. And I doubt very seriously he will ever be in the NBA.
(04-04-2021 01:24 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote: Hate to say it but Boogie is not a point guard and never will be. He doesn’t have the right mentality for it. And I doubt very seriously he will ever be in the NBA.
I would venture to say,It's a pretty safe bet the Michael Jordan himself, once upon a time in his career faced doubt.....It's frowned upon to doubt self, understandably so, as you just create unnecessary barriers/obstacles for self....But to doubt another man, sheer stupidity......ie, this person has a gun pointed at my head but I doubt he's going to pull the trigger....maybe it's just me but to doubt someone else = stupidity....what is it based off of...
It's not even fair or appropriate to doubt that Jayden Hardaway can play in the NBA....Do you honestly feel that his father would utter a statement such as this or EVEN entertain the thought......
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(04-04-2021 01:24 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote: Hate to say it but Boogie is not a point guard and never will be. He doesn’t have the right mentality for it. And I doubt very seriously he will ever be in the NBA.
Have said before too, Memphis doesn't most time have a traditional PG roll in Penny's system just like many teams these days, they get the ball to the high block & run the offense thru that position. Sometimes it's Williams, Nolley, LQ or Boogie/Lomax. In fact any of that group at times brings the ball into the front court. And in this approach Boogie played the PG roll.
(04-03-2021 12:35 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote: Jeez, what about the 6 games before? Ok, he didn’t produce in 2 of the last 10 games. Horrible! Inconsistent! I never said he was the next Derrick Rose, but in the last 10 games he was our leading scorer. I’d take him back in a heartbeat.
Just pointing out that he hadn't "figured it all out" by end of season "without A-lo looking over his shoulder". The NIT was his Memphis career in a nutshell. Signs of being really good, but half the time he was MIA.
It's possible the NIT could be the high point of his college career.
I think if he goes back to the West Coast and gets comfortable in his bubble, he can continue to improve. Might be an all-conference player within the next 2 years. He ain't going to make the NBA though with his struggles.
I think Boogie can make the NBA
Boogie needs to maintain his confidence...He also needs to get much stronger so he can score through contact.
(04-04-2021 01:24 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote: Hate to say it but Boogie is not a point guard and never will be. He doesn’t have the right mentality for it. And I doubt very seriously he will ever be in the NBA.
I would venture to say,It's a pretty safe bet the Michael Jordan himself, once upon a time in his career faced doubt.....It's frowned upon to doubt self, understandably so, as you just create unnecessary barriers/obstacles for self....But to doubt another man, sheer stupidity......ie, this person has a gun pointed at my head but I doubt he's going to pull the trigger....maybe it's just me but tp doubt someone else = stupidity....what is it based off of...
It's not even fair or appropriate to doubt that Jayden Hardaway can play in the NBA....Do you honestly feel that his father would utter a statement such as this or EVEN entertain the thought......
I’ll stick with my original statement. I might be wrong. But I doubt it.
(04-03-2021 02:59 PM)macgar32 Wrote: Boogie was a good player and I am sure everyone wanted him to stay...
But the narrative that Penny playing ALo is the reason he didn't develop needs to stop...It is just not based in fact.
Boogie had his best game of the season in the first game.
Boogie leaving was not Lomax, I've said it over & over. It wouldn't matter if it were Baugh, LQ, NOLLEY, etc - it wasn't personal. Boogie left for minutes & he wanted them at PG - his only real ticket to the NBA.
Isn't that the reason he decommited from Duke, Tre Jones was returning.
Don't know, likely Boogie didn't like the idea of shared minutes whether Duke or Memphis. But Boogie's only NBA chance is PG. So he's chasing more minutes.
Found the article
Quote:In an interview with Rivals, Ellis revealed that Jones’ decision to return to Duke played a role in his decommitment.
“I’m just looking for the best opportunity to play point guard. Everybody in the country knows I can score the ball, it’s about if I can run a team and get people open. Me and my family thought it was best that I reopen my recruitment so that I could go to the best place that was going to allow me to do that,” Ellis said.
(04-03-2021 09:50 PM)Tiger87 Wrote: Just pointing out that he hadn't "figured it all out" by end of season "without A-lo looking over his shoulder". The NIT was his Memphis career in a nutshell. Signs of being really good, but half the time he was MIA.
It's possible the NIT could be the high point of his college career.
I think if he goes back to the West Coast and gets comfortable in his bubble, he can continue to improve. Might be an all-conference player within the next 2 years. He ain't going to make the NBA though with his struggles.
I think Boogie can make the NBA
Boogie needs to maintain his confidence...He also needs to get much stronger so he can score through contact.
To be drafted next year will need to be special.
Nah...Doubt he gets drafted next year or gets drafted at all.
Boogie wanted all the PG minutes. Here he had to share with Lomax, Baugh and Lester. Problem is, he didn't play like a PG, he played like a SG.
He had 1.5 assists per game, lowest of those 4. He also shot FTs worse than the rest. He also was the worst defender of the 4. Yet he had more minutes than any of the 4 except Lester. Lomax had more than half again his steals in less minutes.
He wasn't even the best SG either. That would be Nolley, then Lester. And he had less RBs than anybody on the team except Jayden.
That's why he sat out at the end of games, and didn't get more minutes. And b/c he didn't get more minutes, he's leaving.
Does that seem like it's more on Boogie, or on Penny?
(04-04-2021 01:24 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote: Hate to say it but Boogie is not a point guard and never will be. He doesn’t have the right mentality for it. And I doubt very seriously he will ever be in the NBA.
I don’t think he can defend the point, but that just conjecture on my part. I think the kid works hard and has big plans & I certainly hope they work out for him.
(04-04-2021 03:08 PM)TripleA Wrote: Boogie wanted all the PG minutes. Here he had to share with Lomax, Baugh and Lester. Problem is, he didn't play like a PG, he played like a SG.
He had 1.5 assists per game, lowest of those 4. He also shot FTs worse than the rest. He also was the worst defender of the 4. Yet he had more minutes than any of the 4 except Lester. Lomax had more than half again his steals in less minutes.
He wasn't even the best SG either. That would be Nolley, then Lester. And he had less RBs than anybody on the team except Jayden.
That's why he sat out at the end of games, and didn't get more minutes. And b/c he didn't get more minutes, he's leaving.
Does that seem like it's more on Boogie, or on Penny?
(04-04-2021 03:08 PM)TripleA Wrote: Boogie wanted all the PG minutes. Here he had to share with Lomax, Baugh and Lester. Problem is, he didn't play like a PG, he played like a SG.
He had 1.5 assists per game, lowest of those 4. He also shot FTs worse than the rest. He also was the worst defender of the 4. Yet he had more minutes than any of the 4 except Lester. Lomax had more than half again his steals in less minutes.
He wasn't even the best SG either. That would be Nolley, then Lester. And he had less RBs than anybody on the team except Jayden.
That's why he sat out at the end of games, and didn't get more minutes. And b/c he didn't get more minutes, he's leaving.
Does that seem like it's more on Boogie, or on Penny?
Who's looking to place blame? Boogie probably figures he was promised to be "the" PG, Penny had to look at it in terms of wins & team harmony while he's trying to develop guys too. All those things don't necessarily sync perfectly for everyone.