(04-04-2021 07:28 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(04-03-2021 02:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Somebody please clarify. What actual factual evidence do we have. We've got lots of rumors and allegations and innuendo, but could somebody walk me through the factual evidence?

Joel Greenberg, the Seminole county tax collector, is facing a ton of felonies including a fake ID scheme, trafficking and sex for money schemes. Gaetz was found on video with the IDs and cash apping payments to various women including a 17yo that Greenberg was involved with. There is another prominent FL politician involved that has yet to be named.

Is the video factual or rumored?

(04-04-2021 08:26 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-04-2021 07:28 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(04-03-2021 02:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Somebody please clarify. What actual factual evidence do we have. We've got lots of rumors and allegations and innuendo, but could somebody walk me through the factual evidence?

Joel Greenberg, the Seminole county tax collector, is facing a ton of felonies including a fake ID scheme, trafficking and sex for money schemes. Gaetz was found on video with the IDs and cash apping payments to various women including a 17yo that Greenberg was involved with. There is another prominent FL politician involved that has yet to be named.

Is the video factual or rumored?

Factual. The surveillance tape from the Seminole County Tax Collectors office.

(04-04-2021 08:34 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(04-04-2021 08:26 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-04-2021 07:28 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(04-03-2021 02:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Somebody please clarify. What actual factual evidence do we have. We've got lots of rumors and allegations and innuendo, but could somebody walk me through the factual evidence?

Joel Greenberg, the Seminole county tax collector, is facing a ton of felonies including a fake ID scheme, trafficking and sex for money schemes. Gaetz was found on video with the IDs and cash apping payments to various women including a 17yo that Greenberg was involved with. There is another prominent FL politician involved that has yet to be named.

Is the video factual or rumored?

Factual. The surveillance tape from the Seminole County Tax Collectors office.

Who is talking who has seen the tape?

(04-04-2021 08:43 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-04-2021 08:34 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(04-04-2021 08:26 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-04-2021 07:28 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(04-03-2021 02:10 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Somebody please clarify. What actual factual evidence do we have. We've got lots of rumors and allegations and innuendo, but could somebody walk me through the factual evidence?

Joel Greenberg, the Seminole county tax collector, is facing a ton of felonies including a fake ID scheme, trafficking and sex for money schemes. Gaetz was found on video with the IDs and cash apping payments to various women including a 17yo that Greenberg was involved with. There is another prominent FL politician involved that has yet to be named.

Is the video factual or rumored?

Factual. The surveillance tape from the Seminole County Tax Collectors office.

Who is talking who has seen the tape?

A supervisor in the Lake Mary (Seminole) Tax collector's office (who happens to be a close friend of a friend). She text with Joel Greenburg who told her that Gaetz was with him. The feds pulled the text records and that's when Gaetz got pulled into it.

(04-04-2021 09:01 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(04-04-2021 08:43 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-04-2021 08:34 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(04-04-2021 08:26 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-04-2021 07:28 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Joel Greenberg, the Seminole county tax collector, is facing a ton of felonies including a fake ID scheme, trafficking and sex for money schemes. Gaetz was found on video with the IDs and cash apping payments to various women including a 17yo that Greenberg was involved with. There is another prominent FL politician involved that has yet to be named.

Is the video factual or rumored?

Factual. The surveillance tape from the Seminole County Tax Collectors office.

Who is talking who has seen the tape?

A supervisor in the Lake Mary (Seminole) Tax collector's office (who happens to be a close friend of a friend). She text with Joel Greenburg who told her that Gaetz was with him. The feds pulled the text records and that's when Gaetz got pulled into it.

So it's all still second or third hand at this point. That doesn't make it untrue, and I'm not meaning to say or imply that. Just wanting to clarify. Thanks.

(04-04-2021 07:41 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Have there been any women accusers come forward?

I thought the democrats demanded at least 5 women accusers were needed to cancel someone....

Pretty sure there was at least woman that said the money he transferred to them via CashApp/ApplePay, which the NYT says they have seen the receipts, was for sex. And the accusation is not that he sexually assaulted anyone. But if he had sex with a girl or more who was not of the age of consent, that's still a crime regardless. Then you also have the transportation of a minor accusation.

There's still a lot we don't know yet...but not much looks good so far for Mr. Gaetz.

(04-05-2021 06:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  There's still a lot we don't know yet...but not much looks good so far for Mr. Gaetz.

Yes there is a lot we don't know yet, including the worst looking parts. Not defending Gaetz at all, if he's guilty he needs to do time and disappear from the political stage. But let's don't go convicting someone without evidence just because we disagree with his politics.

(04-05-2021 08:08 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 06:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  There's still a lot we don't know yet...but not much looks good so far for Mr. Gaetz.

Yes there is a lot we don't know yet, including the worst looking parts. Not defending Gaetz at all, if he's guilty he needs to do time and disappear from the political stage. But let's don't go convicting someone without evidence just because we disagree with his politics.

The Left does this all the time.

(04-05-2021 08:45 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 08:08 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 06:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  There's still a lot we don't know yet...but not much looks good so far for Mr. Gaetz.

Yes there is a lot we don't know yet, including the worst looking parts. Not defending Gaetz at all, if he's guilty he needs to do time and disappear from the political stage. But let's don't go convicting someone without evidence just because we disagree with his politics.

The Left does this all the time.

every day and the eighth one...

Judging others before due process is complete is bipartisan. Letting political affiliations cloud your judgement on someone’s likelihood of innocence or guilt is bipartisan. If you think the other side does it more than yours you’re exemplifying the bias in real time

If true, yet again, you always pay in CASH

(04-05-2021 10:54 AM)fsquid Wrote:  If true, yet again, you always pay in CASH

Ding, Ding, Ding!!!

Millennials rushing to Bitcoin and the like will soon rue the day.

Quote:A former staffer for Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., called the allegations of sex with a 17-year-old girl and potential ties to sex trafficking levied against the conservative lawmaker "baseless" and "fabricated."

Nathan Nelson, a U.S. Air Force veteran and former Director of Military Affairs, said he spoke with FBI investigators last Wednesday amid an investigation into allegations Gaetz had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old and might have been paying women for sex.

"They told me that members of the media reached out to them asserting that I had previous knowledge of Congressman Gaetz's illegal activities," Nelson told reporters in Santa Rosa Beach, California, on Monday. "They asserted that because of that knowledge, I resigned from my position as Director of Military Affairs [in October 2020]. I'm here this morning to state that nothing could be further from the truth."

Nelson added he left Gaetz's staff to pursue other military opportunities, according to ABC-3 WEAR-TV.

"This baseless claim against me leaves me further convinced that the allegations against Congressman Gaetz are likewise fabricated," Nelson added. "They're merely an attempt to discredit a very vocal conservative."

"I am not here to provide any support or evidence in support of Congressman Gaetz – only to discredit these baseless allegations."

Gaetz has himself come out to discredit the claims, saying he has not had sexual relations with a 17-year-old and calling the payments to of-age women he was dating intended to cover their travel with him.

The claims were made amid a corresponding investigation into potential criminal extortion of his family, Gaetz told Fox News last week.

"It's clear that there are people making baseless allegations, and I wanted to make sure my words were direct from my mouth," Nelson said, noting he had told Gaetz's office of the FBI visit last week.

Nelson added he remains "loosely affiliated" with Gaetz's office as "a military adviser in an unpaid capacity," according to the report.

The investigation into Gaetz reportedly stems from a past relationship with former Seminole County tax collector Joel Greenberg, who was indicted in 2020 for sex trafficking and other charges.

Amid the reports, Chris Latvala, a former GOP colleague in the Florida legislature, revived a 2020 tweet in which he accused Gaetz of creating a "game where members of the FL House got 'points' for sleeping with aides, interns, lobbyists, and married legislators."

Latvala wrote Friday: "I am just sorry that this guy may have victimized others, including possibly minors before others came forward to verify it."

Gaetz had previously made headlines the day before a House hearing on the Russia investigation in 2019, tweeting at former President Donald Trump attorney Michael Cohen, who had turned on Trump and was about to testify, asking, "Do your wife & father-in-law know about your girlfriends?"

The House Ethics Committee formally admonished Gaetz for the tweet, which some saw as an attempt at intimidation, and he apologized.

In Gaetz's book released last fall, "Firebrand: Dispatches from the Front Lines of the MAGA Revolution," in the first chapter called "Sex and Money," he wrote that when he arrived in Congress, he asked current House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., for a seat on the Armed Services Committee. Gaetz wrote that "to my shock," McCarthy suggested he contribute $75,000 to the House GOP's campaign committee — a donation Gaetz wrote he actually doubled.

McCarthy has called the sex charges against Gaetz "serious," but Gaetz contended to Fox News' Tucker Carlson the allegations are an attempt to "smear" a MAGA-supporting Republican.

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Lol that spokesman said he hadn’t even talked to Gaetz in months prior to these allegations. I’m gonna pass on taking his word.

(04-05-2021 10:54 AM)fsquid Wrote:  If true, yet again, you always pay in CASH

Jerry Springer use to be the mayor of Cincinnati until he wrote a prostitute a check for her services.

(04-05-2021 07:17 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 10:54 AM)fsquid Wrote:  If true, yet again, you always pay in CASH

Jerry Springer use to be the mayor of Cincinnati until he wrote a prostitute a check for her services.

So still no charges

Tulane Alum Jerry Springer? That one?



Comments JD

Lulz

(04-05-2021 07:13 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Lol that spokesman said he hadn’t even talked to Gaetz in months prior to these allegations. I’m gonna pass on taking his word.

Wrong. The "allegations" are from when Trump was in office. The only reason this guy was interviewed is because he resigned last week.

(04-05-2021 07:13 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  Lol that spokesman said he hadn’t even talked to Gaetz in months prior to these allegations. I’m gonna pass on taking his word.

......and he clearly said he wasn’t being a spokesman for all of it, just saying that his reason for leaving WAS NOT what the media claimed it was. So, that part of the story was not correct, leading him to wonder about the veracity of any of it.


......so pass on taking his word that you want to distort.....what’s new?

well, well, well...Looks like this is yet another FAKE NEWS story and is actually an extortion attempt...