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(02-09-2022 11:37 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 11:30 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 10:44 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 10:23 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  We need to be looking overseas! That's where you find the good BIG men playing. But somebody has to get off their butts and go scout them. JJ isn't doing it and I doubt anybody else on this team will. Take a look at the Top 10 teams and look at their rosters. Look at 6'9" and above and try to pronounce their last names. That should give you a clue!

This is the kind of post that drives me crazy. If you want to argue that this staff isn't getting the results, fine. That seems like a reasonable point of view. But when you insinuate it's because JJ and the staff isn't "getting off their butts," it's insulting. You have NO IDEA how hard the staff does/does not work. And, as for the Top 10, other than Arizona or Baylor, please tell me what international players would have been found by an overseas recruiting trip.

International players now make up about 15% of NCAA I men’s basketball rosters, but account for a disproportionately higher percentage of players 6’9 and above, and nearly half of all players 7′ or above. On the reverse side, NCAA I athletes from overseas account for a disproportionately smaller percentage of players 6’6 and shorter:

Plus, if JJ or any of his staff got on a plane and went overseas on a recruiting trip, we would of heard about it! For that matter, if they went on any kind of recruiting trip whether in the US or overseas we would of heard about it and it just hasn't happened. You obviously know how hard this staff is working so prove me wrong. Name one recruit that anyone from ODU visited outside of Tidewater? (I hope you can)

This is obviously false because you have proved it yourself.

What the heck are you talking about? Many of our current players are outside of Tidewater.

and how many of them did we visit in person? Based on size and ability, seems like we accept anyone that we can get without leaving home for!

(02-09-2022 12:00 PM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 11:37 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 11:30 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 10:44 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 10:23 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  We need to be looking overseas! That's where you find the good BIG men playing. But somebody has to get off their butts and go scout them. JJ isn't doing it and I doubt anybody else on this team will. Take a look at the Top 10 teams and look at their rosters. Look at 6'9" and above and try to pronounce their last names. That should give you a clue!

This is the kind of post that drives me crazy. If you want to argue that this staff isn't getting the results, fine. That seems like a reasonable point of view. But when you insinuate it's because JJ and the staff isn't "getting off their butts," it's insulting. You have NO IDEA how hard the staff does/does not work. And, as for the Top 10, other than Arizona or Baylor, please tell me what international players would have been found by an overseas recruiting trip.

International players now make up about 15% of NCAA I men’s basketball rosters, but account for a disproportionately higher percentage of players 6’9 and above, and nearly half of all players 7′ or above. On the reverse side, NCAA I athletes from overseas account for a disproportionately smaller percentage of players 6’6 and shorter:

Plus, if JJ or any of his staff got on a plane and went overseas on a recruiting trip, we would of heard about it! For that matter, if they went on any kind of recruiting trip whether in the US or overseas we would of heard about it and it just hasn't happened. You obviously know how hard this staff is working so prove me wrong. Name one recruit that anyone from ODU visited outside of Tidewater? (I hope you can)

This is obviously false because you have proved it yourself.

What the heck are you talking about? Many of our current players are outside of Tidewater.

and how many of them did we visit in person? Based on size and ability, seems like we accept anyone that we can get without leaving home for!

Why do you think our coaches don't visit players in person?

Again, if you want to criticize results, that's totally fair given what we've been seeing. But, why would you have to make up stuff that you have no idea about to do it?

(02-09-2022 12:13 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 12:00 PM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 11:37 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 11:30 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 10:44 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  This is the kind of post that drives me crazy. If you want to argue that this staff isn't getting the results, fine. That seems like a reasonable point of view. But when you insinuate it's because JJ and the staff isn't "getting off their butts," it's insulting. You have NO IDEA how hard the staff does/does not work. And, as for the Top 10, other than Arizona or Baylor, please tell me what international players would have been found by an overseas recruiting trip.

International players now make up about 15% of NCAA I men’s basketball rosters, but account for a disproportionately higher percentage of players 6’9 and above, and nearly half of all players 7′ or above. On the reverse side, NCAA I athletes from overseas account for a disproportionately smaller percentage of players 6’6 and shorter:

Plus, if JJ or any of his staff got on a plane and went overseas on a recruiting trip, we would of heard about it! For that matter, if they went on any kind of recruiting trip whether in the US or overseas we would of heard about it and it just hasn't happened. You obviously know how hard this staff is working so prove me wrong. Name one recruit that anyone from ODU visited outside of Tidewater? (I hope you can)

This is obviously false because you have proved it yourself.

What the heck are you talking about? Many of our current players are outside of Tidewater.

and how many of them did we visit in person? Based on size and ability, seems like we accept anyone that we can get without leaving home for!

Why do you think our coaches don't visit players in person?

Hope they do now. Some articles written during Covid about how great ODU was recruiting by showing recruits the campus via a online video thing. Going around the campus in a golf cart and videoing the campus as I remember. For sure they used to go recruiting on the road because I have run into them at the airport. That was 6 or 7 years ago when they got that Texas JUCO who was supposed to be the great game changer and it didn't work out that way. Forget his name but I'll know someone will remember! PS- it was Kah !

Speaking of recruiting, ran into these articles. Interesting to look back and see how it worked out.

https://odusports.com/news/2020/4/30/men...eason.aspx

https://odusports.com/news/2021/10/11/me...ayers.aspx

Morris isn't on the team O'Connel can't get off the bench. Smith sure aint shooting 44%, Oliver has fallen off the earth or whatever, not the same guy he used to be.

Heres that article I mentioned.

https://www.pilotonline.com/sports/vp-sp...story.html

Of course a lot of the travel was cut back for everyone during Covid. But also not having the kids on campus is very different than having coaches never visit players in person. Thats asinine.

(02-09-2022 12:42 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Of course a lot of the travel was cut back for everyone during Covid.

Interesting reading those articles now I find.

(02-09-2022 12:43 PM)mac Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 12:42 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Of course a lot of the travel was cut back for everyone during Covid.

Interesting reading those articles now I find.

Taken from one of the links you posted earlier today, Mac -

But it was clear after Wade went down there wasn't enough depth, size, experience or sharp-eyed shooting for the Monarchs to get over the hump.

"We just didn't have enough bullets," Jones said.

It's interesting that the article was from a few years ago and yet the exact same statement could be said about this season's team. Seems to be the trend.

Here's the link:
https://odusports.com/news/2020/4/30/men...eason.aspx

(02-09-2022 01:30 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 12:43 PM)mac Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 12:42 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Of course a lot of the travel was cut back for everyone during Covid.

Interesting reading those articles now I find.

Taken from one of the links you posted earlier today, Mac -

But it was clear after Wade went down there wasn't enough depth, size, experience or sharp-eyed shooting for the Monarchs to get over the hump.

"We just didn't have enough bullets," Jones said.

It's interesting that the article was from a few years ago and yet the exact same statement could be said about this season's team. Seems to be the trend.

Here's the link:
https://odusports.com/news/2020/4/30/men...eason.aspx

Thats the problem. Same thing, every single year. We've only had two good seasons under Jeff, and frankly, choked away the best one by bricking free-throws at W&M that cost us an at-large bid. Its always "next year".

(02-09-2022 05:05 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 01:30 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 12:43 PM)mac Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 12:42 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Of course a lot of the travel was cut back for everyone during Covid.

Interesting reading those articles now I find.

Taken from one of the links you posted earlier today, Mac -

But it was clear after Wade went down there wasn't enough depth, size, experience or sharp-eyed shooting for the Monarchs to get over the hump.

"We just didn't have enough bullets," Jones said.

It's interesting that the article was from a few years ago and yet the exact same statement could be said about this season's team. Seems to be the trend.

Here's the link:
https://odusports.com/news/2020/4/30/men...eason.aspx

Thats the problem. Same thing, every single year. We've only had two good seasons under Jeff, and frankly, choked away the best one by bricking free-throws at W&M that cost us an at-large bid. Its always "next year".

So Monarx? Does that mean next year is the year??!!

(02-09-2022 05:05 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 01:30 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 12:43 PM)mac Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 12:42 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Of course a lot of the travel was cut back for everyone during Covid.

Interesting reading those articles now I find.

Taken from one of the links you posted earlier today, Mac -

But it was clear after Wade went down there wasn't enough depth, size, experience or sharp-eyed shooting for the Monarchs to get over the hump.

"We just didn't have enough bullets," Jones said.

It's interesting that the article was from a few years ago and yet the exact same statement could be said about this season's team. Seems to be the trend.

Here's the link:
https://odusports.com/news/2020/4/30/men...eason.aspx

Thats the problem. Same thing, every single year. We've only had two good seasons under Jeff, and frankly, choked away the best one by bricking free-throws at W&M that cost us an at-large bid. Its always "next year".

The only good news is that we don't really have to worry about next year.

(02-09-2022 05:05 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 01:30 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 12:43 PM)mac Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 12:42 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Of course a lot of the travel was cut back for everyone during Covid.

Interesting reading those articles now I find.

Taken from one of the links you posted earlier today, Mac -

But it was clear after Wade went down there wasn't enough depth, size, experience or sharp-eyed shooting for the Monarchs to get over the hump.

"We just didn't have enough bullets," Jones said.

It's interesting that the article was from a few years ago and yet the exact same statement could be said about this season's team. Seems to be the trend.

Here's the link:
https://odusports.com/news/2020/4/30/men...eason.aspx

Thats the problem. Same thing, every single year. We've only had two good seasons under Jeff, and frankly, choked away the best one by bricking free-throws at W&M that cost us an at-large bid. Its always "next year".

You can criticize Jones all you want, but that W&M didn't impact our at large bid.

And I would call the first season under Jones an amazing success considering the circumstances while acknowledging that season is less than what we want to be. We had great years in 2015 (70th) and 2018 (64) and thats not counting the NCAA tourney team in 2019 (113), where we were a bit lucky. The 2016 team was also top 100. I don't think we are the level of program where we claim top 100 teams are good seasons for us.....at least that hasn't been the case in 30+ years.

Here is one thing we know...

If Jeff rides out the rest of his contract and the staff stays, next year will be absolutely horrible.

(02-10-2022 10:12 AM)757ODU Wrote:  Here is one thing we know...

If Jeff rides out the rest of his contract and the staff stays, next year will be absolutely horrible.

Yeah, would sure seem that way.

Forget 6 years ago or whatever. Look at the last three, the trend is easy to see. And then when you read the two recruiting articles I posted where it says we are gonna be so much better. That's supposed to be happening right now. It ain't happening . Heck, maybe they will go on a seven game or 8 game winning streak but I don't see it myself. What ev, it is what it is.

(02-10-2022 10:12 AM)757ODU Wrote:  Here is one thing we know...

If Jeff rides out the rest of his contract and the staff stays, next year will be absolutely horrible.

Yeah, I'm afraid this is true. I'm more mad at myself for having high hopes going into the season. That won't happen next year if he's still around.

I don't know how anybody could look at this past off seasons recruiting/transfer efforts and come away with the idea that this was going to be a good team. We didn't have the size going into this year and we certainly didn't get any from our new players. Every time there would be a post on here about a possible new recruit, they were always 6'0'-6'5". I know it's a new era of basketball and size isn't as important as in the past, but you can't expect someone 6'6" to guard someone 6'10"! Just isn't going to happen and it isn't fair to our players. They know they are the weaker team each opponent they play against and after a while it is telling. JJ doesn't put his teams in a position where they can play at the same level as others in the CUSA. He just doesn't recruit to compete.

(02-10-2022 08:58 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 05:05 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 01:30 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 12:43 PM)mac Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 12:42 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Of course a lot of the travel was cut back for everyone during Covid.

Interesting reading those articles now I find.

Taken from one of the links you posted earlier today, Mac -

But it was clear after Wade went down there wasn't enough depth, size, experience or sharp-eyed shooting for the Monarchs to get over the hump.

"We just didn't have enough bullets," Jones said.

It's interesting that the article was from a few years ago and yet the exact same statement could be said about this season's team. Seems to be the trend.

Here's the link:
https://odusports.com/news/2020/4/30/men...eason.aspx

Thats the problem. Same thing, every single year. We've only had two good seasons under Jeff, and frankly, choked away the best one by bricking free-throws at W&M that cost us an at-large bid. Its always "next year".

You can criticize Jones all you want, but that W&M didn't impact our at large bid.

And I would call the first season under Jones an amazing success considering the circumstances while acknowledging that season is less than what we want to be. We had great years in 2015 (70th) and 2018 (64) and thats not counting the NCAA tourney team in 2019 (113), where we were a bit lucky. The 2016 team was also top 100. I don't think we are the level of program where we claim top 100 teams are good seasons for us.....at least that hasn't been the case in 30+ years.

JJ's first year was very good considering what he was given. He had some good years, though they didn't get the ultimate prize but once.

During the early JJ years, we at least thought we has a chance to win on any given night, and had at least a shot at the conference title. That is no longer the case. With a senior laden team this year, we can't compete with North Texas, WKU, or FAU, and are underdogs again JMU.

Unfortunately for JJ, he has a job that requires results, not effort. And the results just aren't there.

(02-10-2022 11:45 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(02-10-2022 08:58 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 05:05 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 01:30 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 12:43 PM)mac Wrote:  Interesting reading those articles now I find.

Taken from one of the links you posted earlier today, Mac -

But it was clear after Wade went down there wasn't enough depth, size, experience or sharp-eyed shooting for the Monarchs to get over the hump.

"We just didn't have enough bullets," Jones said.

It's interesting that the article was from a few years ago and yet the exact same statement could be said about this season's team. Seems to be the trend.

Here's the link:
https://odusports.com/news/2020/4/30/men...eason.aspx

Thats the problem. Same thing, every single year. We've only had two good seasons under Jeff, and frankly, choked away the best one by bricking free-throws at W&M that cost us an at-large bid. Its always "next year".

You can criticize Jones all you want, but that W&M didn't impact our at large bid.

And I would call the first season under Jones an amazing success considering the circumstances while acknowledging that season is less than what we want to be. We had great years in 2015 (70th) and 2018 (64) and thats not counting the NCAA tourney team in 2019 (113), where we were a bit lucky. The 2016 team was also top 100. I don't think we are the level of program where we claim top 100 teams are good seasons for us.....at least that hasn't been the case in 30+ years.

JJ's first year was very good considering what he was given. He had some good years, though they didn't get the ultimate prize but once.

During the early JJ years, we at least thought we has a chance to win on any given night, and had at least a shot at the conference title. That is no longer the case. With a senior laden team this year, we can't compete with North Texas, WKU, or FAU, and are underdogs again JMU.

Unfortunately for JJ, he has a job that requires results, not effort. And the results just aren't there.

Could lack of results be because of lack of effort? There very well could be legitimate reasons (health) for a decrease in effort!

(02-10-2022 11:48 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  

(02-10-2022 11:45 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(02-10-2022 08:58 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 05:05 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-09-2022 01:30 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Taken from one of the links you posted earlier today, Mac -

But it was clear after Wade went down there wasn't enough depth, size, experience or sharp-eyed shooting for the Monarchs to get over the hump.

"We just didn't have enough bullets," Jones said.

It's interesting that the article was from a few years ago and yet the exact same statement could be said about this season's team. Seems to be the trend.

Here's the link:
https://odusports.com/news/2020/4/30/men...eason.aspx

Thats the problem. Same thing, every single year. We've only had two good seasons under Jeff, and frankly, choked away the best one by bricking free-throws at W&M that cost us an at-large bid. Its always "next year".

You can criticize Jones all you want, but that W&M didn't impact our at large bid.

And I would call the first season under Jones an amazing success considering the circumstances while acknowledging that season is less than what we want to be. We had great years in 2015 (70th) and 2018 (64) and thats not counting the NCAA tourney team in 2019 (113), where we were a bit lucky. The 2016 team was also top 100. I don't think we are the level of program where we claim top 100 teams are good seasons for us.....at least that hasn't been the case in 30+ years.

JJ's first year was very good considering what he was given. He had some good years, though they didn't get the ultimate prize but once.

During the early JJ years, we at least thought we has a chance to win on any given night, and had at least a shot at the conference title. That is no longer the case. With a senior laden team this year, we can't compete with North Texas, WKU, or FAU, and are underdogs again JMU.

Unfortunately for JJ, he has a job that requires results, not effort. And the results just aren't there.

Could lack of results be because of lack of effort? There very well could be legitimate reasons (health) for a decrease in effort!

Could be. I hoping he's fine. But he looks and sounds like he's battling something.