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Will the AAC get a decent payout
With UH in the final four?
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(03-29-2021 09:38 PM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  With UH in the final four?

I think so far is like 120k per team for the next 5 years for the AAC from this run
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a final 4 run from 2018 was worth 8 mill... i dont know the payout this year
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Sweet, that will pay for a few new jacuzzis for the practice facility WITH plasma screen TVs. It may even have DVR capability, love bein in the money
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(03-29-2021 10:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  a final 4 run from 2018 was worth 8 mill... i dont know the payout this year

I read somewhere that the 2021 credits will be worth 330K a year. That seems high---but if its correct, that makes each credit worth a total payout of 1.98 million. Five credits would be worth nearly 10 million. Wichita earned a credit as well this year--so this years 6 credits should contribute about 2 million a year to the AAC annually for 6 years. I think these 6 credits will replace the credits from the 2014-2015 season that would age out this year. We had two teams in the Dance that year (Cinci and SMU). SMU lost game one and Cinci lost in game 2 (3 total credits). So, we have 6 credits replacing 3 credits. What we need is more seasons like 2015-2016. We sent four teams to the tournament that year. We got almost as many credits that season (5) despite only winning one game in the tournament. Had a couple of those teams had some success---the credits that year would have quickly ballooned.

The key is to get a bunch of teams in on a consistent basis and have at least one or two each year go on a nice run. Thats how you really start piling up big stacks of credits. If you do that, the money can be substantial. If you can average 8 credits a year, your looking at somewhere between 15 and 16 million a year in revenue. Thats almost 3 times what we make from placing a team in the access bowl....so, its kind of a nice shot in the arm.
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We should have had one more team in this year.
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Houston looked good and you have to give Oregon State credit, they wouldn't give up. I'm hoping USC can shock the world tomorrow.
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(03-30-2021 12:31 AM)Realignment Wrote:  Houston looked good and you have to give Oregon State credit, they wouldn't give up. I'm hoping USC can shock the world tomorrow.

I'm pulling for you guys. Used to have a place/office in Manhattan Beach.
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(03-30-2021 12:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  We should have had one more team in this year.

Agree - The NIT championship team is often as good as a NCAA sweet sixteen team.

If Memphis had gotten the 11 seed that Utah St. got vs. Texas Tech, they could have played their way to the sweet 16, and possibly beyond.
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(03-29-2021 10:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-29-2021 10:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  a final 4 run from 2018 was worth 8 mill... i dont know the payout this year

I read somewhere that the 2021 credits will be worth 330K a year. That seems high---but if its correct, that makes each credit worth a total payout of 1.98 million. Five credits would be worth nearly 10 million. Wichita earned a credit as well this year--so this years 6 credits should contribute about 2 million a year to the AAC annually for 6 years. I think these 6 credits will replace the credits from the 2014-2015 season that would age out this year. We had two teams in the Dance that year (Cinci and SMU). SMU lost game one and Cinci lost in game 2 (3 total credits). So, we have 6 credits replacing 3 credits. What we need is more seasons like 2015-2016. We sent four teams to the tournament that year. We got almost as many credits that season (5) despite only winning one game in the tournament. Had a couple of those teams had some success---the credits that year would have quickly ballooned.

The key is to get a bunch of teams in on a consistent basis and have at least one or two each year go on a nice run. Thats how you really start piling up big stacks of credits. If you do that, the money can be substantial. If you can average 8 credits a year, your looking at somewhere between 15 and 16 million a year in revenue. Thats almost 3 times what we make from placing a team in the access bowl....so, its kind of a nice shot in the arm.

That may be one of the strongest arguments there is for expanding the AAC to 14 teams, and adding 4 NCAA caliber basketball schools, and doing it as soon as possible.

One could even make the case - on that basis alone - that failing to replace UConn's basketball program is a form of managerial malpractice by the conference - not Aresco, but the conference itself.
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(03-30-2021 03:27 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(03-29-2021 10:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-29-2021 10:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  a final 4 run from 2018 was worth 8 mill... i dont know the payout this year

I read somewhere that the 2021 credits will be worth 330K a year. That seems high---but if its correct, that makes each credit worth a total payout of 1.98 million. Five credits would be worth nearly 10 million. Wichita earned a credit as well this year--so this years 6 credits should contribute about 2 million a year to the AAC annually for 6 years. I think these 6 credits will replace the credits from the 2014-2015 season that would age out this year. We had two teams in the Dance that year (Cinci and SMU). SMU lost game one and Cinci lost in game 2 (3 total credits). So, we have 6 credits replacing 3 credits. What we need is more seasons like 2015-2016. We sent four teams to the tournament that year. We got almost as many credits that season (5) despite only winning one game in the tournament. Had a couple of those teams had some success---the credits that year would have quickly ballooned.

The key is to get a bunch of teams in on a consistent basis and have at least one or two each year go on a nice run. Thats how you really start piling up big stacks of credits. If you do that, the money can be substantial. If you can average 8 credits a year, your looking at somewhere between 15 and 16 million a year in revenue. Thats almost 3 times what we make from placing a team in the access bowl....so, its kind of a nice shot in the arm.

That may be one of the strongest arguments there is for expanding the AAC to 14 teams, and adding 4 NCAA caliber basketball schools, and doing it as soon as possible.

One could even make the case - on that basis alone - that failing to replace UConn's basketball program is a form of managerial malpractice by the conference - not Aresco, but the conference itself.

one could also make the case that you're full of ^#*@, constantly clogging up the site with your turgid, over long manifestos.
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If the committee slots the AAC for two bids (and that is what they seem to want to do), adding teams does nothing more than add in-conference competition for those bids.
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Can somebody explain exactly how these credits/payouts work both for the team in the tournament and for the conference at large. I've always heard about this stuff but never understood really how it worked. Thanks!
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(03-30-2021 07:58 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  Can somebody explain exactly how these credits/payouts work both for the team in the tournament and for the conference at large. I've always heard about this stuff but never understood really how it worked. Thanks!

Each game played by a team gives the conference a payout. Those are paid out ~250-k - 300k a year for 6 years (amount changes each year). So each game is worth 1.5-1.8 million. The conference then decides how to split out the pay. I believe the AAC does an equal split.

This year credits so far are:
Wichita: 1 Credit
Houston: 5 Credits
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Man, I had no idea that it was that lucrative to get conference teams in the Tournament. Makes it that much more aggravating when you see how many undeserving B1G and ACC schools were invited and then fizzled.

Here's to gathering all AAC fans to send out major positive winning Juju vibes for the Coogs next weekend!!
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Here are are the AAC Tournament credits per year
2015- 3
2016-5
2017-3
2018-5
2019-7
2020-NA
2021-6
Total for 6 years 29 at 300k per credit is 8.7 million per year divided by 11 comes out to 790k yearly per team
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(03-30-2021 08:36 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  
(03-30-2021 07:58 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  Can somebody explain exactly how these credits/payouts work both for the team in the tournament and for the conference at large. I've always heard about this stuff but never understood really how it worked. Thanks!

Each game played by a team gives the conference a payout. Those are paid out ~250-k - 300k a year for 6 years (amount changes each year). So each game is worth 1.5-1.8 million. The conference then decides how to split out the pay. I believe the AAC does an equal split.

This year credits so far are:
Wichita: 1 Credit
Houston: 5 Credits

Oh I see, so we are still receiving payouts from 2015 and every yr since then? That's pretty cool and didn't realize it was such a sizeable amount of money. Probably helps out these non-football conferences that rely on these credits that have little to no TV contracts.
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(03-30-2021 08:54 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Here are are the AAC Tournament credits per year
2015- 3
2016-5
2017-3
2018-5
2019-7
2020-NA
2021-6
Total for 6 years 29 at 300k per credit is 8.7 million per year divided by 11 comes out to 790k yearly per team

That's pretty good. I definitely agree with others in adding another team or two, however, wouldn't that be more ways to divide the credits? Though I guess the rationale is getting 3-4 (or more) teams in the tournament every yr.
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(03-30-2021 09:01 AM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  
(03-30-2021 08:54 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Here are are the AAC Tournament credits per year
2015- 3
2016-5
2017-3
2018-5
2019-7
2020-NA
2021-6
Total for 6 years 29 at 300k per credit is 8.7 million per year divided by 11 comes out to 790k yearly per team

That's pretty good. I definitely agree with others in adding another team or two, however, wouldn't that be more ways to divide the credits? Though I guess the rationale is getting 3-4 (or more) teams in the tournament every yr.

Yes, you have to bring in someone that can add credits otherwise it dilutes the pool. Wichita was brought in for that reason. While we haven't lived up to our past expectations, we still have brought in 2 additional credits in the 3 possible tournaments since being in the conference.

If we can average 4 teams a year, with only 2 games being won total by all 4 teams, you are looking at nearly 10 million a year for the conference by the time the 6th year rolls around.
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(03-30-2021 07:03 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  If the committee slots the AAC for two bids (and that is what they seem to want to do), adding teams does nothing more than add in-conference competition for those bids.

If we did something like take VCU from the A10, the committee would likely simply take away a slot from the A10 and award it to the AAC. As I mentioned earlier—we got 4 just a few years ago—so it’s not like we are locked at 2. That’s just silly. Besides—I suspect the performance of the AAC this year will earn it a bit more Committee respect in the future.

We just need to have 6 or 7 conference teams that regularly field NCAA bid worthy teams to form the core of the basketball conference. Memphis, Cinci, Houston, Wichita, and VCU seems like a good strong core. Our middle belt of SMU, Tulsa, UCF, Temple etc can hopefully provide a couple more bubble teams each year. I do think it’s important to replace the basketball strength the conference lost when UConn left. I’d prefer to do that by adding a someone like VCU—a team that definitely adds to the NCAA bid worthy core of the AAC without having any adverse affect on AAC football. I might even look at adding VCU and Dayton. While I can see how that could be a worthy move, I’m much less sure about the wisdom of that multi-school option than the one team addition of VCU.
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