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(04-01-2021 12:11 AM)Ourland Wrote:  
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(03-31-2021 10:53 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 10:01 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Let me say it to you this way, Land....

Because they didn't even respond to him, as an alumni, notable player and high school coach who sent us numerous players... they dismissed him. A phone call could have changed all that.

Although a number of people on here think the young man is clearly worthy of a Rice football scholarship, that is not our jobs... as you note. That said, Alumni relations IS part of SOMEONE's job within the athletic department... IMO it's ALL of their jobs... Why is 'a conversation' too much to ask? How does 'Rice gave YOU a scholarship' (especially in that the people who gave HIM a scholarship are long since gone) relieve the current staff (coaches OR Athletic department) from simple courtesy?

They have plenty of time and manpower to send him solicitations for money, but they don't have time to talk about a potential player?? Does that REALLY seem 'okay' to you such that you 'wouldn't change a word'?? SOMEBODY thought to ask Brett Wagner and Trevor Cobb to personally solicit financial support. Perhaps they should have recruited YOU to reach out to former players to tell them why they should be thankful??

I don't know any of the specific details concerning this player, nor does anyone else here. I wish I knew more, and I definitely wish I knew both sides of the story, which I'm sure would differ from one another. If it all happened exactly the way you describe, then yes I'm disappointed that staff didn't even reciprocate by returning a phone call. There's no excuse for it, but that's not a reflection of the university and athletics department as a whole. Perhaps it's a reflection of the coaching staff. It's definitely not the kind of incident that would cause me to withhold donations to Rice, or have me speak disparagingly about my alma mater. That would be petty of me.

Considering it's MY son I know the exact specifics.

Let me paint this picture for you... say your child is identified as a top tier chemist. You graduated from Rice with a degree in chemistry. Over the course of 20yrs you have donated money, supported student endeavors in the chemistry dept. You have even advised future chemist and secured funds for them to attend Rice. Now as your son who is one of the best chemistry students around becomes of age your son isn't even considered or even reached out to by the dept that you have supported financially and supported by bringing good Chemists to the dept. You're telling me that you would continue to support that dept with no questions at all? I highly doubt it. Again I'm not begging or even want then to recruit my son at this point but i WILL outline how this type of recruiting of talent academic orn athletic is highly faulty.

I'd be disappointed, but I wouldn't take it personally. These coaches don't know many of Rice's former players at all, nor do they have an appreciation for what any of them have done for the university since they've been gone. That may be different if we had found someone qualified from the Rice coaching tree, but there isn't anyone. Legacy recruiting is a thing of the past, or maybe there are potential 'conflicts of interest' to take into consideration that would prevent a coach from pursuing a legacy.

Again i repeat....i don't take it personally. this isn't a personal thing, its about faulty recruiting practices that is taking our already limited pool of athletes and reducing it down even further. you know little about college football and recruiting i'm starting to see. i'm not about to go any further with someone who knows so little about the basics of it all. all i will say is that there is no way they 1. don't know about the top tier athletes and 2 there's no way they don't know that some of those kids are rice athletes kids.
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(04-01-2021 06:12 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I'm 100 percent sure Rice is fully aware of BJ. They've already offered DK Kalu, who is a HS teammate (1 class below) and we've signed numerous kids from Ridge Point through the years - one by the current staff.

I can also tell you his recruiting is blowing up and he's going to be getting a ton of D5 QB offers shortly. Remember now, no one (outside TSU) has offered him yet. His two oldest sisters had full rides to Texas Tech (and then transferred to Georgia after a bit) for softball. Another sister got a partial scholarship to UNT for track. They're not too worried about Rice - they're just trying to figure out why all the other D1 offers are taking so long.

We were in the same boat until this weekend. it's a very frustrating thing knowing that your son can play and is one of the best around and trying to figure out why your sitting there with no offers. my son has been contacted by p5s and g5s alike and all seemed right on the brink of offering, but hbu is the only one that has pulled the trigger. our house took a stance that we know it will come we just stay prayerful and allow for God to to do what he does best....guide and bless him. Bert Jr. is definitely blowing up and will opportunities, there's no doubt to that. i pray for a calming mind for him and his family as i know what its like.
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(04-01-2021 08:11 AM)nightowl24 Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 12:11 AM)Ourland Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:38 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 10:53 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 10:01 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Let me say it to you this way, Land....

Because they didn't even respond to him, as an alumni, notable player and high school coach who sent us numerous players... they dismissed him. A phone call could have changed all that.

Although a number of people on here think the young man is clearly worthy of a Rice football scholarship, that is not our jobs... as you note. That said, Alumni relations IS part of SOMEONE's job within the athletic department... IMO it's ALL of their jobs... Why is 'a conversation' too much to ask? How does 'Rice gave YOU a scholarship' (especially in that the people who gave HIM a scholarship are long since gone) relieve the current staff (coaches OR Athletic department) from simple courtesy?

They have plenty of time and manpower to send him solicitations for money, but they don't have time to talk about a potential player?? Does that REALLY seem 'okay' to you such that you 'wouldn't change a word'?? SOMEBODY thought to ask Brett Wagner and Trevor Cobb to personally solicit financial support. Perhaps they should have recruited YOU to reach out to former players to tell them why they should be thankful??

I don't know any of the specific details concerning this player, nor does anyone else here. I wish I knew more, and I definitely wish I knew both sides of the story, which I'm sure would differ from one another. If it all happened exactly the way you describe, then yes I'm disappointed that staff didn't even reciprocate by returning a phone call. There's no excuse for it, but that's not a reflection of the university and athletics department as a whole. Perhaps it's a reflection of the coaching staff. It's definitely not the kind of incident that would cause me to withhold donations to Rice, or have me speak disparagingly about my alma mater. That would be petty of me.

Considering it's MY son I know the exact specifics.

Let me paint this picture for you... say your child is identified as a top tier chemist. You graduated from Rice with a degree in chemistry. Over the course of 20yrs you have donated money, supported student endeavors in the chemistry dept. You have even advised future chemist and secured funds for them to attend Rice. Now as your son who is one of the best chemistry students around becomes of age your son isn't even considered or even reached out to by the dept that you have supported financially and supported by bringing good Chemists to the dept. You're telling me that you would continue to support that dept with no questions at all? I highly doubt it. Again I'm not begging or even want then to recruit my son at this point but i WILL outline how this type of recruiting of talent academic orn athletic is highly faulty.

I'd be disappointed, but I wouldn't take it personally. These coaches don't know many of Rice's former players at all, nor do they have an appreciation for what any of them have done for the university since they've been gone. That may be different if we had found someone qualified from the Rice coaching tree, but there isn't anyone. Legacy recruiting is a thing of the past, or maybe there are potential 'conflicts of interest' to take into consideration that would prevent a coach from pursuing a legacy.

Again i repeat....i don't take it personally. this isn't a personal thing, its about faulty recruiting practices that is taking our already limited pool of athletes and reducing it down even further. you know little about college football and recruiting i'm starting to see. i'm not about to go any further with someone who knows so little about the basics of it all. all i will say is that there is no way they 1. don't know about the top tier athletes and 2 there's no way they don't know that some of those kids are rice athletes kids.

You're right. I won't pretend to know much about the recruiting process. What I do know is that these coaches must have good reasons to pursue some legacies, but not others. Timing is everything. They may project an urgent need in the future that Kalu can immediately fill. At this specific point in time in the program, that may not be the case with Bert Jr. and your son. If Kalu is on their radar, that tells me that they know about and follow legacies. I really do hope your kids get great offers.
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(04-01-2021 09:18 AM)Ourland Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 08:11 AM)nightowl24 Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 12:11 AM)Ourland Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:38 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 10:53 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I don't know any of the specific details concerning this player, nor does anyone else here. I wish I knew more, and I definitely wish I knew both sides of the story, which I'm sure would differ from one another. If it all happened exactly the way you describe, then yes I'm disappointed that staff didn't even reciprocate by returning a phone call. There's no excuse for it, but that's not a reflection of the university and athletics department as a whole. Perhaps it's a reflection of the coaching staff. It's definitely not the kind of incident that would cause me to withhold donations to Rice, or have me speak disparagingly about my alma mater. That would be petty of me.

Considering it's MY son I know the exact specifics.

Let me paint this picture for you... say your child is identified as a top tier chemist. You graduated from Rice with a degree in chemistry. Over the course of 20yrs you have donated money, supported student endeavors in the chemistry dept. You have even advised future chemist and secured funds for them to attend Rice. Now as your son who is one of the best chemistry students around becomes of age your son isn't even considered or even reached out to by the dept that you have supported financially and supported by bringing good Chemists to the dept. You're telling me that you would continue to support that dept with no questions at all? I highly doubt it. Again I'm not begging or even want then to recruit my son at this point but i WILL outline how this type of recruiting of talent academic orn athletic is highly faulty.

I'd be disappointed, but I wouldn't take it personally. These coaches don't know many of Rice's former players at all, nor do they have an appreciation for what any of them have done for the university since they've been gone. That may be different if we had found someone qualified from the Rice coaching tree, but there isn't anyone. Legacy recruiting is a thing of the past, or maybe there are potential 'conflicts of interest' to take into consideration that would prevent a coach from pursuing a legacy.

Again i repeat....i don't take it personally. this isn't a personal thing, its about faulty recruiting practices that is taking our already limited pool of athletes and reducing it down even further. you know little about college football and recruiting i'm starting to see. i'm not about to go any further with someone who knows so little about the basics of it all. all i will say is that there is no way they 1. don't know about the top tier athletes and 2 there's no way they don't know that some of those kids are rice athletes kids.

You're right. I won't pretend to know much about the recruiting process. What I do know is that these coaches must have good reasons to pursue some legacies, but not others. Timing is everything. They may project an urgent need in the future that Kalu can immediately fill. At this specific point in time in the program, that may not be the case with Bert Jr. and your son. If Kalu is on their radar, that tells me that they know about and follow legacies. I really do hope your kids get great offers.

I think QB is a need every year.
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We are at enough disadvantages recruiting athletically because of our academic requirements (which I do not advocate changing, although some process improvements might be useful). We need some offsetting advantages. I can think of:

- Wayne Graham's idea that, "I can't recruit everybody you can, but I can promise everybody I can recruit a Rice education, and you can't do that."
- Multi-sport athletes. Jess did this a lot, and while it is anathema to most coaches today, I think we could pick up the occasional 4-star (or even 5-star) that we have no shot at otherwise. And there is no substitute for talent.
- Legacies.
- At least in football, go with contrarian schemes that can be run by athletes who don't fit into other programs. If the QB who is an outstanding player in HS that TexasU or aTm or LSU say, "Come here an we will make you a safety," can get a shot at QB at Rice, then we have a shot at getting him. Ken did this a lot, and his recruiting classes typically punched above their rankings.
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(03-31-2021 10:53 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I don't know any of the specific details concerning this player, nor does anyone else here. I wish I knew more, and I definitely wish I knew both sides of the story, which I'm sure would differ from one another. If it all happened exactly the way you describe, then yes I'm disappointed that staff didn't even reciprocate by returning a phone call. There's no excuse for it, but that's not a reflection of the university and athletics department as a whole. Perhaps it's a reflection of the coaching staff. It's definitely not the kind of incident that would cause me to withhold donations to Rice, or have me speak disparagingly about my alma mater. That would be petty of me.

Funny, you basically say you know nothing about what happened here, and it would be petty of you to speak disparagingly about Rice, but you have no problem speaking disparagingly about a poster on here. You said you didn't intend offense, but you obviously offended and despite being told by him that it was offensive, and having others on here tell you we found it offensive as well, you have done nothing but defend your statements.

If someone tells you that you offended them and your response is 'I wouldn't change one single word', then despite your claims to the contrary, you INTENDED to offend.

To the facts, actually, some of us have followed him for years now.... but I ALREADY gave you the deference that its their job, not ours to recruit. As has been said a dozen times now, this is about common courtest and respect... not about athletic talent. And I know all about the story that I need to know to know that the Administration is messing up. I've gotten the story from the horses mouth, and so have you. There is NO excuse for them not to have a conversation with this particular alum. Short of a court order barring it, there is NOTHING they could say to me where I would agree that 'no contact' would be appropriate.

(03-31-2021 11:55 PM)Ourland Wrote:  For all we know, he may have indicated that he's not interested in playing for Rice. If he's in the top 60 in Houston, he may want to hold out for something bigger. He still has one more season to improve his ranking locally and statewide. It could also be that the coaching staff won't be signing a QB during the next cycle. There may already be enough of them on the roster. Jovani Johnson could be a star with the proper coaching, and he has four years of eligibility left. That's my take.

Funny, you know nothing about nothing, but you sure can speculate on defense.

MY point was (and I'm sure others agree) that even if he doesn't want to attend Rice, we should still try and leverage the family connection and see if he will 'keep us in the discussion' as a favor. Maybe this has happened and since he's not on here, we're just speculating. Again, while it is an example of an opportunity, nobody has claimed that it isn't happening.

Just as an aside, I don't care if Jovani is on the Ramon Flanigan plan PLUS Covid... You don't simply 'pass' on a top 60 athlete in your back yard with such a strong family connection. That's just insane. How many top 60 QBs are sitting on the bench at UT at any given time? How many have SIGNED with Rice?

(04-01-2021 09:18 AM)Ourland Wrote:  These coaches don't know many of Rice's former players at all, nor do they have an appreciation for what any of them have done for the university since they've been gone. That may be different if we had found someone qualified from the Rice coaching tree, but there isn't anyone. Legacy recruiting is a thing of the past, or maybe there are potential 'conflicts of interest' to take into consideration that would prevent a coach from pursuing a legacy.

More excuses.... and as NO said, there is NO WAY they don't know these things.

Quote:You're right. I won't pretend to know much about the recruiting process. What I do know is that these coaches must have good reasons to pursue some legacies, but not others. Timing is everything. They may project an urgent need in the future that Kalu can immediately fill. At this specific point in time in the program, that may not be the case with Bert Jr. and your son. If Kalu is on their radar, that tells me that they know about and follow legacies. I really do hope your kids get great offers.

Funny, just moments ago you said they don't know any former players and families, and now you say its clear that they do?!?! You say 'legacy recruiting' is a thing of the past and then admit that its still happening?? Other than finding ways to defend things that you ADMIT you know nothing about (that's not me saying that... YOU said that) exactly what IS your purpose in this discussion? To tell others how they should feel about things you have no knowledge about and they do??

There IS no good reason for not being courteous... especially the moment you find out that the person you're ignoring, you're also asking for money from.

Here.. I have a solution and I'm serious. I'll VOLUNTEER my time and my own money to be the 'non-targeted' athletic alumni coordinator. If a coach identifies a child of an alum who has reached out to the school, and the coach isn't interested in that athlete... I'll ask the coaches for a simple reason... full at the position, the child isn't good enough for a scholarship, any of the various excuses you mentioned... and I will PERSONALLY reach out to those parents and 'have the talk' with them. I'll even go so far as to make my own connections with people in financial aid so that I can help direct them. I'll also speak to admissions about ways to help these people make their applications more attractive. I guarantee that I won't tell them... RIce gave YOU a scholarship so you should be grateful, but I will certainly fade the heat that I'm sure will come from a few disappointed parents.

SOME of these kids GREW UP attending Rice games. My kids traveled frequently with the 'official' charter and my daughter was a well known heckler at Reckling.... now personal friends with former Rice and Tulane and current UT coaches wives as a result. If she had become a Rice student, SHE would have been attending home games and encouraging her friends on campus to do the same.... and would have made it fun for others to attend. They're not athletes... Obviously I have no 'angst' against athletics as a result... BUT... its still a good example of 'why' athletics might want to know about 'legacy' children of former athletes... and have a vested interest in them attending.... not to mention the 'legacy' sort of donations I spoke about. I now get solitications from three other universities.

Walter McReynolds was a former Rice athlete and very involved at Rice. His children 'grew up' attending Rice events. They both attended Rice as CHEERLEADERS, meaning they QUITE LITERALLY were campus ambassadors for athletics at Rice.

This isn't rocket science.
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(04-01-2021 10:26 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 10:53 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I don't know any of the specific details concerning this player, nor does anyone else here. I wish I knew more, and I definitely wish I knew both sides of the story, which I'm sure would differ from one another. If it all happened exactly the way you describe, then yes I'm disappointed that staff didn't even reciprocate by returning a phone call. There's no excuse for it, but that's not a reflection of the university and athletics department as a whole. Perhaps it's a reflection of the coaching staff. It's definitely not the kind of incident that would cause me to withhold donations to Rice, or have me speak disparagingly about my alma mater. That would be petty of me.

Funny, you basically say you know nothing about what happened here, and it would be petty of you to speak disparagingly about Rice, but you have no problem speaking disparagingly about a poster on here. You said you didn't intend offense, but you obviously offended and despite being told by him that it was offensive, and having others on here tell you we found it offensive as well, you have done nothing but defend your statements.

If someone tells you that you offended them and your response is 'I wouldn't change one single word', then despite your claims to the contrary, you INTENDED to offend.

To the facts, actually, some of us have followed him for years now.... but I ALREADY gave you the deference that its their job, not ours to recruit. As has been said a dozen times now, this is about common courtest and respect... not about athletic talent. And I know all about the story that I need to know to know that the Administration is messing up. I've gotten the story from the horses mouth, and so have you. There is NO excuse for them not to have a conversation with this particular alum. Short of a court order barring it, there is NOTHING they could say to me where I would agree that 'no contact' would be appropriate.

(03-31-2021 11:55 PM)Ourland Wrote:  For all we know, he may have indicated that he's not interested in playing for Rice. If he's in the top 60 in Houston, he may want to hold out for something bigger. He still has one more season to improve his ranking locally and statewide. It could also be that the coaching staff won't be signing a QB during the next cycle. There may already be enough of them on the roster. Jovani Johnson could be a star with the proper coaching, and he has four years of eligibility left. That's my take.

Funny, you know nothing about nothing, but you sure can speculate on defense.

MY point was (and I'm sure others agree) that even if he doesn't want to attend Rice, we should still try and leverage the family connection and see if he will 'keep us in the discussion' as a favor. Maybe this has happened and since he's not on here, we're just speculating. Again, while it is an example of an opportunity, nobody has claimed that it isn't happening.

Just as an aside, I don't care if Jovani is on the Ramon Flanigan plan PLUS Covid... You don't simply 'pass' on a top 60 athlete in your back yard with such a strong family connection. That's just insane. How many top 60 QBs are sitting on the bench at UT at any given time? How many have SIGNED with Rice?

(04-01-2021 09:18 AM)Ourland Wrote:  These coaches don't know many of Rice's former players at all, nor do they have an appreciation for what any of them have done for the university since they've been gone. That may be different if we had found someone qualified from the Rice coaching tree, but there isn't anyone. Legacy recruiting is a thing of the past, or maybe there are potential 'conflicts of interest' to take into consideration that would prevent a coach from pursuing a legacy.

More excuses.... and as NO said, there is NO WAY they don't know these things.

Quote:You're right. I won't pretend to know much about the recruiting process. What I do know is that these coaches must have good reasons to pursue some legacies, but not others. Timing is everything. They may project an urgent need in the future that Kalu can immediately fill. At this specific point in time in the program, that may not be the case with Bert Jr. and your son. If Kalu is on their radar, that tells me that they know about and follow legacies. I really do hope your kids get great offers.

Funny, just moments ago you said they don't know any former players and families, and now you say its clear that they do?!?! You say 'legacy recruiting' is a thing of the past and then admit that its still happening?? Other than finding ways to defend things that you ADMIT you know nothing about (that's not me saying that... YOU said that) exactly what IS your purpose in this discussion? To tell others how they should feel about things you have no knowledge about and they do??

There IS no good reason for not being courteous... especially the moment you find out that the person you're ignoring, you're also asking for money from.

Here.. I have a solution and I'm serious. I'll VOLUNTEER my time and my own money to be the 'non-targeted' athletic alumni coordinator. If a coach identifies a child of an alum who has reached out to the school, and the coach isn't interested in that athlete... I'll ask the coaches for a simple reason... full at the position, the child isn't good enough for a scholarship, any of the various excuses you mentioned... and I will PERSONALLY reach out to those parents and 'have the talk' with them. I'll even go so far as to make my own connections with people in financial aid so that I can help direct them. I'll also speak to admissions about ways to help these people make their applications more attractive. I guarantee that I won't tell them... RIce gave YOU a scholarship so you should be grateful, but I will certainly fade the heat that I'm sure will come from a few disappointed parents.

SOME of these kids GREW UP attending Rice games. My kids traveled frequently with the 'official' charter and my daughter was a well known heckler at Reckling.... now personal friends with former Rice and Tulane and current UT coaches wives as a result. If she had become a Rice student, SHE would have been attending home games and encouraging her friends on campus to do the same.... and would have made it fun for others to attend. They're not athletes... Obviously I have no 'angst' against athletics as a result... BUT... its still a good example of 'why' athletics might want to know about 'legacy' children of former athletes... and have a vested interest in them attending.... not to mention the 'legacy' sort of donations I spoke about. I now get solitications from three other universities.

Walter McReynolds was a former Rice athlete and very involved at Rice. His children 'grew up' attending Rice events. They both attended Rice as CHEERLEADERS, meaning they QUITE LITERALLY were campus ambassadors for athletics at Rice.

This isn't rocket science.

Umm, Ham....

Didn’t I once tell you that you should never try to reason with a crazy person. One person in this discussion is obviously delusional and certainly meets this criterion.
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As you say, this is obviously about building a better culture, gaining respect and displaying common decency.

Those of us who know the arrogance of college football understand just how dysfunctional this behavior is.

Coaches should have some basic familiarity with the institution that they represent and some deference to it’s history. They are not omniscient with regards to football.
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This isn't rocket science.



Funny, maybe it should be and Rice would be better at it.
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lol at RU. Well played, good sir.
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I think the rule of holes should have been applied here a couple pages back.
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(04-01-2021 02:47 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  I think the rule of holes should have been applied here a couple pages back.

But that would have saved everyone (well, not everyone) time and aggravation!
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He got his 2nd offer earlier today - from Army. BJ is also heading to the regionals in track and field next week after winning the district 200 meters (I think his best in that event is now 21.7 seconds). He's also anchoring Ridge Point's 4x200 meter relay.
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(04-16-2021 07:49 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  He got his 2nd offer earlier today - from Army. BJ is also heading to the regionals in track and field next week after winning the district 200 meters (I think his best in that event is now 21.7 seconds). He's also anchoring Ridge Point's 4x200 meter relay.

My son was actually in the same heat with him. My boy got 6th, wasn't his best race but I'm still proud of him(lots of issues surrounding this track meet). Keilone Gordon's son, Karson, is 1st leg of the 4x100 and 3rd leg of the 4x200 for RP(both advanced to regionals). Karson also went 46'+ in the triple jump to get 3rd place. Karson is a freshman(plays QB also). It was pretty cool to have 4 ex-rice athletes' sons competing against each other last week(my youngest son, a freshman as well, ran 3rd leg of the 4x200). My son and Bert Jr talked and exchanged numbers, it was pretty cool that they began talking and created a friendship based off their dads being alumni.

Oh and Bert Jr. looks DARN good. he's pretty looking athlete.

At the regional meet there will be a host of ex-Rice athletes sons competing. Donovan Bradley- Kelechi and Leroy Bradley track and football at rice(110H, 300H, 4x4)-Summer Creek, Tre McCalla - LaDouphyous McCalla(Shaw) football rice(100 & 200)-Atascocita, Bert Jr- Bert Sr football rice(4x200, 4x100, 200)Ridge Point, Joshua McMillan II- Konnett and Joshua McMillan track and football rice(4x100, 4x200) Tompkins, Jhase McMillan-Konnett and Joshua McMillan track and football(4x200)-Tompkins, Karson Gordon-Keilone Gordon football rice(4x100, 4x200, TJ)Ridge Point.

I find that to be pretty cool to have that many kids all within 4yrs of each other, all are offspring of rice athletes, and all are competing against each other. All have legit chances to move on to state. Personally I think it would be make for a heck of article to interview all these kids. Just think if all of these young men were on the same team.....WOOOOOWWWW.
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(04-20-2021 08:54 AM)nightowl24 Wrote:  
(04-16-2021 07:49 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  He got his 2nd offer earlier today - from Army. BJ is also heading to the regionals in track and field next week after winning the district 200 meters (I think his best in that event is now 21.7 seconds). He's also anchoring Ridge Point's 4x200 meter relay.

My son was actually in the same heat with him. My boy got 6th, wasn't his best race but I'm still proud of him(lots of issues surrounding this track meet). Keilone Gordon's son, Karson, is 1st leg of the 4x100 and 3rd leg of the 4x200 for RP(both advanced to regionals). Krason also went 46'+ in the triple jump to get 3rd place. Karson is a freshman(plays QB also). It was pretty cool to have 4 ex-rice athletes' sons competing against each other last week(my youngest son, a freshman as well, ran 3rd leg of the 4x200). My son and Bert Jr talked and exchanged numbers, it was pretty cool that they began talking and created a friendship based off their dads being alumni.

Oh and Bert Jr. looks DARN good. he's pretty looking athlete.

At the regional meet there will be a host of ex-Rice athletes sons competing. Donovan Bradley- Kelechi and Leroy Bradley track and football at rice(110H, 300H, 4x4)-Summer Creek, Tre McCalla - LaDouphyous McCalla(Shaw) football rice(100 & 200)-Atascocita, Bert Jr- Bert Sr football rice(4x200, 4x100, 200)Ridge Point, Joshua McMillan II- Konnett and Joshua McMillan track and football rice(4x100, 4x200) Tompkins, Jhase McMillan-Konnett and Joshua McMillan track and football(4x200)-Tompkins, Karson Gordon-Keilone Gordon football rice(4x100, 4x200, TJ)Ridge Point.

I find that to be pretty cool to have that many kids all within 4yrs of each other, all are offspring of rice athletes, and all are competing against each other. All have legit chances to move on to state. Personally I think it would be make for a heck of article to interview all these kids. Just think if all of these young men were on the same team.....WOOOOOWWWW.

Not sure about NCAA dead periods but it seems pretty easy to send 1 coach to that meet for introductions... and of course follow up invites for their dads to drop by practice with their sons.
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(04-20-2021 09:09 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  Not sure about NCAA dead periods but it seems pretty easy to send 1 coach to that meet for introductions... and of course follow up invites for their dads to drop by practice with their sons.

College coaches may not attend the meet. Period.
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Dead period isn't over until 5/31/2021....but they ARE allowed to call the 2022 class and communicate with them. 2023-2024 you can't legally talk to them until Sept if i'm not mistaken.....
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Either way, these are kids who clearly are near the top of their respective fields, who clearly should have a high propensity for success at Rice, whom Rice should have an 'inside track' with... and whom could be part of creating a lasting legacy (that has tons of benefits for the university AND athletics).

I'll let those who know the specific rules play by them. I think it would have been cool to have a Rice Athletic alum tailgate prior to that meet... coaches or not....

Said simply...
1) If they're above our normal 'get', we still have a shot.
2) If they're below our normal 'get', they still have qualities that should make them less of a 'risk' than many others and that should be taken into consideration... and
3) if they're below our normal 'get', we should still reach out to them without an athletic scholarship as a potential academic/need based scholarship. They still have to get in, but we should try and help. If we can't get them in without a scholarship, it still gives us an opportunity to let them 'prove admissions (as well as coaches) wrong' by proving themselves somewhere else and then being valued transfers.

Back in the SWC, a lot of us couldn't WAIT to play UT to show them what a mistake they made in passing on us.... and I'm betting a lot of these kids feel the same way. At least this way, we'd keep the door open.
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(04-20-2021 02:43 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Either way, these are kids who clearly are near the top of their respective fields, who clearly should have a high propensity for success at Rice, whom Rice should have an 'inside track' with... and whom could be part of creating a lasting legacy (that has tons of benefits for the university AND athletics).

I'll let those who know the specific rules play by them. I think it would have been cool to have a Rice Athletic alum tailgate prior to that meet... coaches or not....

Said simply...
1) If they're above our normal 'get', we still have a shot.
2) If they're below our normal 'get', they still have qualities that should make them less of a 'risk' than many others and that should be taken into consideration... and
3) if they're below our normal 'get', we should still reach out to them without an athletic scholarship as a potential academic/need based scholarship. They still have to get in, but we should try and help. If we can't get them in without a scholarship, it still gives us an opportunity to let them 'prove admissions (as well as coaches) wrong' by proving themselves somewhere else and then being valued transfers.

Back in the SWC, a lot of us couldn't WAIT to play UT to show them what a mistake they made in passing on us.... and I'm betting a lot of these kids feel the same way. At least this way, we'd keep the door open.


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I went to Ridge Point's game tonight (they beat Dickinson 42-36). Bert Jr. had a tremendous game. I haven't seen the stats but my guess is he ran for close to 150 yards and 3 TD's, and threw for another 2 TD's? I'm shocked he hasn't had more major offers at this point.

On a negative Rice note, ND Kalu's kid (DK) was hurt early in the game. I think he'll be okay but he didn't return after hurting his leg. He's just a junior.
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