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RE: Bert Jr.
(03-31-2021 06:34 AM)nightowl24 Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 12:22 AM)Ourland Wrote:  
(03-30-2021 01:35 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  
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(03-30-2021 09:26 AM)mrbig Wrote:  It really shouldn't matter. If he is the son of a Rice alum (male or female), particularly an alum who was a student-athlete at Rice, Rice would be nuts to not at least go through the recruiting process. Even if they ultimately do not make an offer, you know the kid grew up hearing about Rice and has probably been to some events on campus and likely has some positive connections and connotations. More of a leg up then calling Joe Blow at the next school over who is the same talent level but has no Rice connection.


Couldn't possibly agree more.

We offer scholarships to ALL SORTS of kids that we probably don't think we will get. That's not just smart, but its stupid NOT to. If every kid we offer accepts our offer, we need to raise the bar. It's not exactly the same, but if the quality of a University is even remotely determined by those they reject, why wouldn't that also be true for athletics? Have your name in the conversation, even if you end up getting dropped. It makes recruits ask 'what's going on over there'.

Hint... Great players often have 'friends' (or in this case, siblings) that are also great players, sometimes under-recruited. If you get one, you might get them both.

Jarrett Dillard's brother saw lots of playing time at Rice. While he wasn't the player Jarrett was, he was STILL one of our best RBs.

Here is how I see it...
If the child (or niece or nephew or cousin) of a Rice grad is getting multiple p5 offers, WE should almost always be offering as well. Hell, if the kids neighbor is a RIce grad, I'd be recruiting him/her. Put the offer on the list... ask for an early commit. Seriously, do we think UT or any top p5 program would 'back off' on a kid they really wanted just because he were a child of a Rice alum who gave an early commitment?? They might LOVE it because that MIGHT clear the deck of the chaff. Do we expect to get that kid?? Of course not... but we're going to get more p5 recruits from that pool than we will from any other... AND we're going to get infinitely more of them than those we DON'T offer.

If the kid and his family qualifies for significant or even full financial aid, I can see asking them to be a PWO (so as not to tie up a scholarship offer if the person perhaps didn't really want to attend). Heck, I might even suggest that myself (as a former walk-on, if my kids were athletic).... or yes... ask them as a courtesy to keep us on the list, even if they knew already they would accept at UT. As them for the courtesy of having our hat on the table when they video their decision.

If the kid is more of a 'maybe', then again, PWO (or scholarship if it is available) makes a lot of sense. Recruit him and at least 'have the talk'.

The fact that some of our best players of the past 20-30 years have kids who are being recruited as D-1 athletes and we aren't even calling them is APPALLING.

AT LEAST have the courtesy of telling the parents, we would LOVE to have your child, but we just don't think he's a fit for our system... or we don't have a schollie available.... but we'd love to have a 'family member' on the team and would love to help connect them to see if they qualify for other aid. LEVERAGE RIce's endowment for a qualified student and alumni family.

THIS is where athletics IMO fails. It values the coach(es) and what THEIR vision is rather than the University. The (qualifying, or at least very close/subjective) child of an alum is the way you create legacies and the sort of endowments that lead to people leaving family fortunes to a University... to endow buildings or ballparks... or scholarships.

What does it say that we're asking our athletic alumni to endow athletic scholarships to give funds and opportunities to (qualified) kids, but we don't have any funds nor opportunity to offer their (qualified) children?? That is just RIDICULOUS.

In the case of these two specific kids, there is NO DOUBT that they are AT LEAST as good as half the guys on our current roster (meaning by an objective analysis, they are qualified) .... and IMO, would both likely be absolute STARS (more subjective).

you have pretty much embodied my thinking here. which is why i say rice is insane right now. simply put i know for a fact that my son is at worst as good as every wr on the roster right now. they don't feel he is worth recruiting at this point but you call me to give MY money for YOU to fund SOMEONE ELSES scholarship....lolol. yeah sorry but no. now if my kid wasn't very good at sports then my stance would be vastly different, but as is right now either one of my boys would be able to help this team. again not upset but loyalty matters....you want mine but you do not display none....doesn't work for me....at all.

Rice thought enough of you to give you a full scholarship and play you immediately as a true freshman. That's all that really matters. I would hope that that would be enough to get you to continue giving to and supporting the university. Try not to take it personal that these coaches aren't giving your son the attention that he deserve. They're from California and they recruit nationally now. Rice gave you a great education and college experience. Keep that in the forefront. Like you said, in the end, it's no skin off your back.

1. Rice didn't give me NOTHING. I EARNED it. I CHOSE rice, rice didn't choose me. Rice didn't think enough of me to play me early, I was GOOD ENOUGH to play early...I PROVED and EARNED that distinction. I could've went to any school west of the Mississippi River. I had offers to almost all of them. So you can miss me with the I should just be grateful that rice allowed me to step foot on their campus.

2. I've stated it already I'm not upset with this staff as a parent. I let it be known that my malcontent comes from being an alumni, so again this isn't personal. This is about terrible recruiting practices which is leading to us getting pounded week in and week out.

3. I could careless where they're from. Currently my son is being recruited by several out of state P5s and a small group of out of state G5s. As i stated before my son right now as a jr is as good as anyone they have on roster. So for you to elude that because their pool is bigger now(which is very false cause while I was there we had people as far west as cali and far east as fla.. so you have no point) my son isn't good enough is highly false. If that wasn't the point and it's he was lost in the shuffle. Again that is a problem because alumni's outstanding kids should be at the forefront of recruiting because you have a better chance of getting them.

4. As I stated because I graduated from there doesn't mean I'm giving them my money. I could've went anywhere in Texas and surrounding states, I was the commodity not the other way around and when you and others that think like you get that you'll actually see more involvement from athletic alumni. I'm not giving my money to fund someone else's education when I know my son is just as good as what they have and what they are recruiting. Sorry but no. As I stated you and them want me to be loyal to the school.... where is the loyalty to me? Trust me I gave up more going there than rice did by letting me go there. And I helped rice as much as rice helped me.

You are correct its no skin off my back if they don't recruit him... but it's money out of my pocket. That money will go to something that is more in line with my family.

My post wasn't written to offend you. Rice thought enough of you to give you a scholarship, in return for your athletic ability. That should mean something. No one made you choose Rice. You did that. There must have been something special about Rice when you played that still endures today.

The University of Texas was a victim of it's own legacy recruiting practices in the 70's and 80's. They found themselves being forced to sign the kids of former players, some of them panned out, but most of them didn't. It became especially burdensome as the football scholarship limits came into place. Texas could no longer risk offering a scholarship to a legacy who didn't have the talent to help the program. I'm not saying that this is the case with your son, but rather just using this as an example of how the practice can get nasty. Once you sign one, other alumni will expect the same for their children.

As far as Rice's recruiting efforts of today are concerned, it's reeping talent that we haven't seen since Fred Goldsmith was coach. For the past two years we have signed classes that rank toward the top of CUSA, and in the top 80 nationally. Rice Football isn't losing because it has no talent. It's losing because it has a coach that's unwilling to break from his offensive philosophy.
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(03-31-2021 01:57 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
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(03-31-2021 12:22 AM)Ourland Wrote:  
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(03-30-2021 12:50 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Couldn't possibly agree more.

We offer scholarships to ALL SORTS of kids that we probably don't think we will get. That's not just smart, but its stupid NOT to. If every kid we offer accepts our offer, we need to raise the bar. It's not exactly the same, but if the quality of a University is even remotely determined by those they reject, why wouldn't that also be true for athletics? Have your name in the conversation, even if you end up getting dropped. It makes recruits ask 'what's going on over there'.

Hint... Great players often have 'friends' (or in this case, siblings) that are also great players, sometimes under-recruited. If you get one, you might get them both.

Jarrett Dillard's brother saw lots of playing time at Rice. While he wasn't the player Jarrett was, he was STILL one of our best RBs.

Here is how I see it...
If the child (or niece or nephew or cousin) of a Rice grad is getting multiple p5 offers, WE should almost always be offering as well. Hell, if the kids neighbor is a RIce grad, I'd be recruiting him/her. Put the offer on the list... ask for an early commit. Seriously, do we think UT or any top p5 program would 'back off' on a kid they really wanted just because he were a child of a Rice alum who gave an early commitment?? They might LOVE it because that MIGHT clear the deck of the chaff. Do we expect to get that kid?? Of course not... but we're going to get more p5 recruits from that pool than we will from any other... AND we're going to get infinitely more of them than those we DON'T offer.

If the kid and his family qualifies for significant or even full financial aid, I can see asking them to be a PWO (so as not to tie up a scholarship offer if the person perhaps didn't really want to attend). Heck, I might even suggest that myself (as a former walk-on, if my kids were athletic).... or yes... ask them as a courtesy to keep us on the list, even if they knew already they would accept at UT. As them for the courtesy of having our hat on the table when they video their decision.

If the kid is more of a 'maybe', then again, PWO (or scholarship if it is available) makes a lot of sense. Recruit him and at least 'have the talk'.

The fact that some of our best players of the past 20-30 years have kids who are being recruited as D-1 athletes and we aren't even calling them is APPALLING.

AT LEAST have the courtesy of telling the parents, we would LOVE to have your child, but we just don't think he's a fit for our system... or we don't have a schollie available.... but we'd love to have a 'family member' on the team and would love to help connect them to see if they qualify for other aid. LEVERAGE RIce's endowment for a qualified student and alumni family.

THIS is where athletics IMO fails. It values the coach(es) and what THEIR vision is rather than the University. The (qualifying, or at least very close/subjective) child of an alum is the way you create legacies and the sort of endowments that lead to people leaving family fortunes to a University... to endow buildings or ballparks... or scholarships.

What does it say that we're asking our athletic alumni to endow athletic scholarships to give funds and opportunities to (qualified) kids, but we don't have any funds nor opportunity to offer their (qualified) children?? That is just RIDICULOUS.

In the case of these two specific kids, there is NO DOUBT that they are AT LEAST as good as half the guys on our current roster (meaning by an objective analysis, they are qualified) .... and IMO, would both likely be absolute STARS (more subjective).

you have pretty much embodied my thinking here. which is why i say rice is insane right now. simply put i know for a fact that my son is at worst as good as every wr on the roster right now. they don't feel he is worth recruiting at this point but you call me to give MY money for YOU to fund SOMEONE ELSES scholarship....lolol. yeah sorry but no. now if my kid wasn't very good at sports then my stance would be vastly different, but as is right now either one of my boys would be able to help this team. again not upset but loyalty matters....you want mine but you do not display none....doesn't work for me....at all.

Rice thought enough of you to give you a full scholarship and play you immediately as a true freshman. That's all that really matters. I would hope that that would be enough to get you to continue giving to and supporting the university. Try not to take it personal that these coaches aren't giving your son the attention that he deserve. They're from California and they recruit nationally now. Rice gave you a great education and college experience. Keep that in the forefront. Like you said, in the end, it's no skin off your back.

1. Rice didn't give me NOTHING. I EARNED it. I CHOSE rice, rice didn't choose me. Rice didn't think enough of me to play me early, I was GOOD ENOUGH to play early...I PROVED and EARNED that distinction. I could've went to any school west of the Mississippi River. I had offers to almost all of them. So you can miss me with the I should just be grateful that rice allowed me to step foot on their campus.

2. I've stated it already I'm not upset with this staff as a parent. I let it be known that my malcontent comes from being an alumni, so again this isn't personal. This is about terrible recruiting practices which is leading to us getting pounded week in and week out.

3. I could careless where they're from. Currently my son is being recruited by several out of state P5s and a small group of out of state G5s. As i stated before my son right now as a jr is as good as anyone they have on roster. So for you to elude that because their pool is bigger now(which is very false cause while I was there we had people as far west as cali and far east as fla.. so you have no point) my son isn't good enough is highly false. If that wasn't the point and it's he was lost in the shuffle. Again that is a problem because alumni's outstanding kids should be at the forefront of recruiting because you have a better chance of getting them.

4. As I stated because I graduated from there doesn't mean I'm giving them my money. I could've went anywhere in Texas and surrounding states, I was the commodity not the other way around and when you and others that think like you get that you'll actually see more involvement from athletic alumni. I'm not giving my money to fund someone else's education when I know my son is just as good as what they have and what they are recruiting. Sorry but no. As I stated you and them want me to be loyal to the school.... where is the loyalty to me? Trust me I gave up more going there than rice did by letting me go there. And I helped rice as much as rice helped me.

You are correct its no skin off my back if they don't recruit him... but it's money out of my pocket. That money will go to something that is more in line with my family.

My post wasn't written to offend you. Rice thought enough of you to give you a scholarship, in return for your athletic ability. That should mean something. No one made you choose Rice. You did that. There must have been something special about Rice when you played that still endures today.

The University of Texas was a victim of it's own legacy recruiting practices in the 70's and 80's. They found themselves being forced to sign the kids of former players, some of them panned out, but most of them didn't. It became especially burdensome as the football scholarship limits came into place. Texas could no longer risk offering a scholarship to a legacy who didn't have the talent to help the program. I'm not saying that this is the case with your son, but rather just using this as an example of how the practice can get nasty. Once you sign one, other alumni will expect the same for their children.

As far as Rice's recruiting efforts of today are concerned, it's reeping talent that we haven't seen since Fred Goldsmith was coach. For the past two years we have signed classes that rank toward the top of CUSA, and in the top 80 nationally. Rice Football isn't losing because it has no talent. It's losing because it has a coach that's unwilling to break from his offensive philosophy.

if you're trying not to offend someone then maybe you should check how you give your information because telling someone who worked their ass off that their accomplishments were GIVEN to him is a HUGE mistake.

There is no slippery slope. Either a kid can play or they can't regardless of who is parents are. IF a kid can play AND their parents were athletes at the school they should be at the front of the line due to being a legacy, again provided they have the ability. It's hard enough to recruit to Rice so we are going to take our blood and push it aside and not even entertain it because "everyone will then want their kid to get a scholarship". every person that I know that played/ran at rice who's kids are athletes are well aware of whether or not they are scholarship type players or not and are not looking for a handout. see that's the difference between us rice athletes and most other schools. we get EARNING it. if our kids EARN it they should GET IT. but right now we have kids that have EARNED it and Rice is pushing them aside and that's just dumb recruiting.

I an attempt to not speak overly disparagingly about our current athletes, all i'll say is you're wrong. i know talent and you are most definitely wrong. rankings mean little to me. i watch players play, that tells me all i need to know.
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(03-31-2021 01:57 PM)Ourland Wrote:  My post wasn't written to offend you.

Well it pretty clearly did offend.
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(03-31-2021 01:57 PM)Ourland Wrote:  My post wasn't written to offend you. Rice thought enough of you to give you a scholarship, in return for your athletic ability. That should mean something. No one made you choose Rice. You did that. There must have been something special about Rice when you played that still endures today.

The University of Texas was a victim of it's own legacy recruiting practices in the 70's and 80's. They found themselves being forced to sign the kids of former players, some of them panned out, but most of them didn't. It became especially burdensome as the football scholarship limits came into place. Texas could no longer risk offering a scholarship to a legacy who didn't have the talent to help the program. I'm not saying that this is the case with your son, but rather just using this as an example of how the practice can get nasty. Once you sign one, other alumni will expect the same for their children.

As far as Rice's recruiting efforts of today are concerned, it's reeping talent that we haven't seen since Fred Goldsmith was coach. For the past two years we have signed classes that rank toward the top of CUSA, and in the top 80 nationally. Rice Football isn't losing because it has no talent. It's losing because it has a coach that's unwilling to break from his offensive philosophy.

If they aren't what you're looking for, I addressed this when I said... offer them a PWO, talk to them about other places they could attend, help facilitate need based or academic scholarship opportunities with Lovett Hall. Have the damn conversation. While certainly you come across some delusional parents, that isn't the case here.... and STILL you can have the conversation.

I'm sorry, but running an athletic department isn't just the two extremes... getting money from former athletes and recruiting new ones. Its about managing everyone in between as well. This is what I mean when I speak about the disconnect. People who are just here until they get fired or until a better opportunity comes along don't care about a donation that may not come for 5-15 years... They don't care about being mentioned in your will. They only care about what you can do for me 'today'.

TO me, this is the same sort of institutional indifference that was exhibited during Wayne Graham... If we wanted him to retire, I think the University should have considered making him an honorary professor at Glasscock or Doerr or something... teaching 'leadership'. You're a MORON if you don't think people would have paid for that class/seminar... and the press (not to mention the sage advice for his replacement as well as signees) would have been INVALUABLE.

The practice only gets nasty if you have no people skills. Rice isn't UT.

I'd be less concerned about a 3-8 team filled with family members of my friends or people I grew up watching... and I'd attend a whole lot more games.

As I said before, either be good or be interesting. A few family connections would at least be interesting. The Cruz and Fox connections have worked out pretty well, as have many others.
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(03-29-2021 04:25 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  He is the kind of QB that Rice should be all over and should adapt its offense to fit. I'm guessing it won't happen, but both ends of that should.

intellectual duality > any one player that could help us win.
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(03-31-2021 02:32 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 01:57 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 06:34 AM)nightowl24 Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 12:22 AM)Ourland Wrote:  
(03-30-2021 01:35 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  you have pretty much embodied my thinking here. which is why i say rice is insane right now. simply put i know for a fact that my son is at worst as good as every wr on the roster right now. they don't feel he is worth recruiting at this point but you call me to give MY money for YOU to fund SOMEONE ELSES scholarship....lolol. yeah sorry but no. now if my kid wasn't very good at sports then my stance would be vastly different, but as is right now either one of my boys would be able to help this team. again not upset but loyalty matters....you want mine but you do not display none....doesn't work for me....at all.

Rice thought enough of you to give you a full scholarship and play you immediately as a true freshman. That's all that really matters. I would hope that that would be enough to get you to continue giving to and supporting the university. Try not to take it personal that these coaches aren't giving your son the attention that he deserve. They're from California and they recruit nationally now. Rice gave you a great education and college experience. Keep that in the forefront. Like you said, in the end, it's no skin off your back.

1. Rice didn't give me NOTHING. I EARNED it. I CHOSE rice, rice didn't choose me. Rice didn't think enough of me to play me early, I was GOOD ENOUGH to play early...I PROVED and EARNED that distinction. I could've went to any school west of the Mississippi River. I had offers to almost all of them. So you can miss me with the I should just be grateful that rice allowed me to step foot on their campus.

2. I've stated it already I'm not upset with this staff as a parent. I let it be known that my malcontent comes from being an alumni, so again this isn't personal. This is about terrible recruiting practices which is leading to us getting pounded week in and week out.

3. I could careless where they're from. Currently my son is being recruited by several out of state P5s and a small group of out of state G5s. As i stated before my son right now as a jr is as good as anyone they have on roster. So for you to elude that because their pool is bigger now(which is very false cause while I was there we had people as far west as cali and far east as fla.. so you have no point) my son isn't good enough is highly false. If that wasn't the point and it's he was lost in the shuffle. Again that is a problem because alumni's outstanding kids should be at the forefront of recruiting because you have a better chance of getting them.

4. As I stated because I graduated from there doesn't mean I'm giving them my money. I could've went anywhere in Texas and surrounding states, I was the commodity not the other way around and when you and others that think like you get that you'll actually see more involvement from athletic alumni. I'm not giving my money to fund someone else's education when I know my son is just as good as what they have and what they are recruiting. Sorry but no. As I stated you and them want me to be loyal to the school.... where is the loyalty to me? Trust me I gave up more going there than rice did by letting me go there. And I helped rice as much as rice helped me.

You are correct its no skin off my back if they don't recruit him... but it's money out of my pocket. That money will go to something that is more in line with my family.

My post wasn't written to offend you. Rice thought enough of you to give you a scholarship, in return for your athletic ability. That should mean something. No one made you choose Rice. You did that. There must have been something special about Rice when you played that still endures today.

The University of Texas was a victim of it's own legacy recruiting practices in the 70's and 80's. They found themselves being forced to sign the kids of former players, some of them panned out, but most of them didn't. It became especially burdensome as the football scholarship limits came into place. Texas could no longer risk offering a scholarship to a legacy who didn't have the talent to help the program. I'm not saying that this is the case with your son, but rather just using this as an example of how the practice can get nasty. Once you sign one, other alumni will expect the same for their children.

As far as Rice's recruiting efforts of today are concerned, it's reeping talent that we haven't seen since Fred Goldsmith was coach. For the past two years we have signed classes that rank toward the top of CUSA, and in the top 80 nationally. Rice Football isn't losing because it has no talent. It's losing because it has a coach that's unwilling to break from his offensive philosophy.

if you're trying not to offend someone then maybe you should check how you give your information because telling someone who worked their ass off that their accomplishments were GIVEN to him is a HUGE mistake.

There is no slippery slope. Either a kid can play or they can't regardless of who is parents are. IF a kid can play AND their parents were athletes at the school they should be at the front of the line due to being a legacy, again provided they have the ability. It's hard enough to recruit to Rice so we are going to take our blood and push it aside and not even entertain it because "everyone will then want their kid to get a scholarship". every person that I know that played/ran at rice who's kids are athletes are well aware of whether or not they are scholarship type players or not and are not looking for a handout. see that's the difference between us rice athletes and most other schools. we get EARNING it. if our kids EARN it they should GET IT. but right now we have kids that have EARNED it and Rice is pushing them aside and that's just dumb recruiting.

I an attempt to not speak overly disparagingly about our current athletes, all i'll say is you're wrong. i know talent and you are most definitely wrong. rankings mean little to me. i watch players play, that tells me all i need to know.

I wouldn't change a word of what I said. None of it is offensive in any way. The fact that you would find it to be so is a reflection of your sensitivities, not my message. The fact that Rice gave you a scholarship and played you during your freshman year clearly implies that you had the academic and athletic acumen to deserve both. It shouldn't have to be spelled out.

Rice has signed two of it's best recruiting classes in it's history over the last two years. It hasn't paid off yet on the field yet, but several of us here believe that the program is about to take off. I have my reservations concerning the coaching, but the recruiting has been exceptional. If Bloomgren doesn't succeed, I would expect any new head coach to come in and win 8 or 9 games with the kids currently on the roster.

As for legacies, I don't have a problem with any of it. If a kid can play, sign him, but remember that coaches nowadays have their own way of doing things. They have their own strategies and their own targets. Even Rice's recruiting is on a national scope now. I wouldn't expect any of them to consider a legacy signee in football unless that young man's father has maintained exceptionally strong relational ties to the university that go far beyond just giving to the Owl Club or showing up for a game every once in awhile. That's my opinion.

I'm sure your son's a fine young men and great athletes. I hope they get great offers, even if not from Rice.
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(03-31-2021 08:29 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 02:32 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 01:57 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 06:34 AM)nightowl24 Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 12:22 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Rice thought enough of you to give you a full scholarship and play you immediately as a true freshman. That's all that really matters. I would hope that that would be enough to get you to continue giving to and supporting the university. Try not to take it personal that these coaches aren't giving your son the attention that he deserve. They're from California and they recruit nationally now. Rice gave you a great education and college experience. Keep that in the forefront. Like you said, in the end, it's no skin off your back.

1. Rice didn't give me NOTHING. I EARNED it. I CHOSE rice, rice didn't choose me. Rice didn't think enough of me to play me early, I was GOOD ENOUGH to play early...I PROVED and EARNED that distinction. I could've went to any school west of the Mississippi River. I had offers to almost all of them. So you can miss me with the I should just be grateful that rice allowed me to step foot on their campus.

2. I've stated it already I'm not upset with this staff as a parent. I let it be known that my malcontent comes from being an alumni, so again this isn't personal. This is about terrible recruiting practices which is leading to us getting pounded week in and week out.

3. I could careless where they're from. Currently my son is being recruited by several out of state P5s and a small group of out of state G5s. As i stated before my son right now as a jr is as good as anyone they have on roster. So for you to elude that because their pool is bigger now(which is very false cause while I was there we had people as far west as cali and far east as fla.. so you have no point) my son isn't good enough is highly false. If that wasn't the point and it's he was lost in the shuffle. Again that is a problem because alumni's outstanding kids should be at the forefront of recruiting because you have a better chance of getting them.

4. As I stated because I graduated from there doesn't mean I'm giving them my money. I could've went anywhere in Texas and surrounding states, I was the commodity not the other way around and when you and others that think like you get that you'll actually see more involvement from athletic alumni. I'm not giving my money to fund someone else's education when I know my son is just as good as what they have and what they are recruiting. Sorry but no. As I stated you and them want me to be loyal to the school.... where is the loyalty to me? Trust me I gave up more going there than rice did by letting me go there. And I helped rice as much as rice helped me.

You are correct its no skin off my back if they don't recruit him... but it's money out of my pocket. That money will go to something that is more in line with my family.

My post wasn't written to offend you. Rice thought enough of you to give you a scholarship, in return for your athletic ability. That should mean something. No one made you choose Rice. You did that. There must have been something special about Rice when you played that still endures today.

The University of Texas was a victim of it's own legacy recruiting practices in the 70's and 80's. They found themselves being forced to sign the kids of former players, some of them panned out, but most of them didn't. It became especially burdensome as the football scholarship limits came into place. Texas could no longer risk offering a scholarship to a legacy who didn't have the talent to help the program. I'm not saying that this is the case with your son, but rather just using this as an example of how the practice can get nasty. Once you sign one, other alumni will expect the same for their children.

As far as Rice's recruiting efforts of today are concerned, it's reeping talent that we haven't seen since Fred Goldsmith was coach. For the past two years we have signed classes that rank toward the top of CUSA, and in the top 80 nationally. Rice Football isn't losing because it has no talent. It's losing because it has a coach that's unwilling to break from his offensive philosophy.

if you're trying not to offend someone then maybe you should check how you give your information because telling someone who worked their ass off that their accomplishments were GIVEN to him is a HUGE mistake.

There is no slippery slope. Either a kid can play or they can't regardless of who is parents are. IF a kid can play AND their parents were athletes at the school they should be at the front of the line due to being a legacy, again provided they have the ability. It's hard enough to recruit to Rice so we are going to take our blood and push it aside and not even entertain it because "everyone will then want their kid to get a scholarship". every person that I know that played/ran at rice who's kids are athletes are well aware of whether or not they are scholarship type players or not and are not looking for a handout. see that's the difference between us rice athletes and most other schools. we get EARNING it. if our kids EARN it they should GET IT. but right now we have kids that have EARNED it and Rice is pushing them aside and that's just dumb recruiting.

I an attempt to not speak overly disparagingly about our current athletes, all i'll say is you're wrong. i know talent and you are most definitely wrong. rankings mean little to me. i watch players play, that tells me all i need to know.

I wouldn't change a word of what I said. None of it is offensive in any way. The fact that you would find it to be so is a reflection of your sensitivities, not my message. The fact that Rice gave you a scholarship and played you during your freshman year clearly implies that you had the academic and athletic acumen to deserve both. It shouldn't have to be spelled out.

Rice has signed two of it's best recruiting classes in it's history over the last two years. It hasn't paid off yet on the field yet, but several of us here believe that the program is about to take off. I have my reservations concerning the coaching, but the recruiting has been exceptional. If Bloomgren doesn't succeed, I would expect any new head coach to come in and win 8 or 9 games with the kids currently on the roster.

As for legacies, I don't have a problem with any of it. If a kid can play, sign him, but remember that coaches nowadays have their own way of doing things. They have their own strategies and their own targets. Even Rice's recruiting is on a national scope now. I wouldn't expect any of them to consider a legacy signee in football unless that young man's father has maintained exceptionally strong relational ties to the university that go far beyond just giving to the Owl Club or showing up for a game every once in awhile. That's my opinion.

I'm sure your son's a fine young men and great athletes. I hope they get great offers, even if not from Rice.

I could careless if you change your words or not. What I will tell you is that I have zero sensitivities regarding what I worked for. And I will repeat rice didn't GIVE me a thing...i EARNED it.

As I stated I don't care about a ranking and stars. I watch games and I assess talent. These classes are not better than what I've seen in the past and the lack of success or even competing prices my point. The things a refer to have noting to do with scheme is about athletic ability and it isn't better than the past. Again not downrating our players but these classes are over hyped and I vid go through position by position and show what I mean but that does nothing for anyone.
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And for the record during my years associated with rice there are more people that have views like ourland than not which is why rice is never able to move forward. It's why athletes like me don't deal with rice. We dealt with it while we played and then as alumni we see our friends who went to other schools respected after they're done by their schools and this is what we get. People telling us we were given things like we are handout kids or something. Yall want to know why it's hard to recruit rice.. look to the culture that surrounds rice.
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Let me say it to you this way, Land....

Because they didn't even respond to him, as an alumni, notable player and high school coach who sent us numerous players... they dismissed him. A phone call could have changed all that.

Although a number of people on here think the young man is clearly worthy of a Rice football scholarship, that is not our jobs... as you note. That said, Alumni relations IS part of SOMEONE's job within the athletic department... IMO it's ALL of their jobs... Why is 'a conversation' too much to ask? How does 'Rice gave YOU a scholarship' (especially in that the people who gave HIM a scholarship are long since gone) relieve the current staff (coaches OR Athletic department) from simple courtesy?

They have plenty of time and manpower to send him solicitations for money, but they don't have time to talk about a potential player?? Does that REALLY seem 'okay' to you such that you 'wouldn't change a word'?? SOMEBODY thought to ask Brett Wagner and Trevor Cobb to personally solicit financial support. Perhaps they should have recruited YOU to reach out to former players to tell them why they should be thankful??
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(03-31-2021 08:29 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I'm sure your son's a fine young men and great athletes. I hope they get great offers, even if not from Rice.

Do you realize how arrogant and condescending that sounds?
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(03-31-2021 10:00 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  And for the record during my years associated with rice there are more people that have views like ourland than not which is why rice is never able to move forward. It's why athletes like me don't deal with rice. We dealt with it while we played and then as alumni we see our friends who went to other schools respected after they're done by their schools and this is what we get. People telling us we were given things like we are handout kids or something. Yall want to know why it's hard to recruit rice.. look to the culture that surrounds rice.

That's fine.
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Oh and as of today Bert Jr had been named one the top 60 players in the class of 2022 in the city. Yet rice isn't recruiting him? Please make it make sense to me? We are getting pounded week in and week out and you have a kid that is one of the best in the city with strong rice ties and you aren't recruiting him? Makes absolute ZERO sense.
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(03-31-2021 10:31 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 10:00 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  And for the record during my years associated with rice there are more people that have views like ourland than not which is why rice is never able to move forward. It's why athletes like me don't deal with rice. We dealt with it while we played and then as alumni we see our friends who went to other schools respected after they're done by their schools and this is what we get. People telling us we were given things like we are handout kids or something. Yall want to know why it's hard to recruit rice.. look to the culture that surrounds rice.

That's fine.

And that sir is the exact view of rice admin, coaches, and the athletic dept in general. "That's fine"
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(03-31-2021 10:01 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Let me say it to you this way, Land....

Because they didn't even respond to him, as an alumni, notable player and high school coach who sent us numerous players... they dismissed him. A phone call could have changed all that.

Although a number of people on here think the young man is clearly worthy of a Rice football scholarship, that is not our jobs... as you note. That said, Alumni relations IS part of SOMEONE's job within the athletic department... IMO it's ALL of their jobs... Why is 'a conversation' too much to ask? How does 'Rice gave YOU a scholarship' (especially in that the people who gave HIM a scholarship are long since gone) relieve the current staff (coaches OR Athletic department) from simple courtesy?

They have plenty of time and manpower to send him solicitations for money, but they don't have time to talk about a potential player?? Does that REALLY seem 'okay' to you such that you 'wouldn't change a word'?? SOMEBODY thought to ask Brett Wagner and Trevor Cobb to personally solicit financial support. Perhaps they should have recruited YOU to reach out to former players to tell them why they should be thankful??

I don't know any of the specific details concerning this player, nor does anyone else here. I wish I knew more, and I definitely wish I knew both sides of the story, which I'm sure would differ from one another. If it all happened exactly the way you describe, then yes I'm disappointed that staff didn't even reciprocate by returning a phone call. There's no excuse for it, but that's not a reflection of the university and athletics department as a whole. Perhaps it's a reflection of the coaching staff. It's definitely not the kind of incident that would cause me to withhold donations to Rice, or have me speak disparagingly about my alma mater. That would be petty of me.
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(03-31-2021 08:29 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I'm sure your son's a fine young men and great athletes. I hope they get great offers, even if not from Rice.

Do you realize how arrogant and condescending that sounds?

It's a sincere statement, but call it what you want.
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(03-31-2021 10:53 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 10:01 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Let me say it to you this way, Land....

Because they didn't even respond to him, as an alumni, notable player and high school coach who sent us numerous players... they dismissed him. A phone call could have changed all that.

Although a number of people on here think the young man is clearly worthy of a Rice football scholarship, that is not our jobs... as you note. That said, Alumni relations IS part of SOMEONE's job within the athletic department... IMO it's ALL of their jobs... Why is 'a conversation' too much to ask? How does 'Rice gave YOU a scholarship' (especially in that the people who gave HIM a scholarship are long since gone) relieve the current staff (coaches OR Athletic department) from simple courtesy?

They have plenty of time and manpower to send him solicitations for money, but they don't have time to talk about a potential player?? Does that REALLY seem 'okay' to you such that you 'wouldn't change a word'?? SOMEBODY thought to ask Brett Wagner and Trevor Cobb to personally solicit financial support. Perhaps they should have recruited YOU to reach out to former players to tell them why they should be thankful??

I don't know any of the specific details concerning this player, nor does anyone else here. I wish I knew more, and I definitely wish I knew both sides of the story, which I'm sure would differ from one another. If it all happened exactly the way you describe, then yes I'm disappointed that staff didn't even reciprocate by returning a phone call. There's no excuse for it, but that's not a reflection of the university and athletics department as a whole. Perhaps it's a reflection of the coaching staff. It's definitely not the kind of incident that would cause me to withhold donations to Rice, or have me speak disparagingly about my alma mater. That would be petty of me.

Considering it's MY son I know the exact specifics.

Let me paint this picture for you... say your child is identified as a top tier chemist. You graduated from Rice with a degree in chemistry. Over the course of 20yrs you have donated money, supported student endeavors in the chemistry dept. You have even advised future chemist and secured funds for them to attend Rice. Now as your son who is one of the best chemistry students around becomes of age your son isn't even considered or even reached out to by the dept that you have supported financially and supported by bringing good Chemists to the dept. You're telling me that you would continue to support that dept with no questions at all? I highly doubt it. Again I'm not begging or even want then to recruit my son at this point but i WILL outline how this type of recruiting of talent academic orn athletic is highly faulty.
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(03-31-2021 10:36 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  Oh and as of today Bert Jr had been named one the top 60 players in the class of 2022 in the city. Yet rice isn't recruiting him? Please make it make sense to me? We are getting pounded week in and week out and you have a kid that is one of the best in the city with strong rice ties and you aren't recruiting him? Makes absolute ZERO sense.

For all we know, he may have indicated that he's not interested in playing for Rice. If he's in the top 60 in Houston, he may want to hold out for something bigger. He still has one more season to improve his ranking locally and statewide. It could also be that the coaching staff won't be signing a QB during the next cycle. There may already be enough of them on the roster. Jovani Johnson could be a star with the proper coaching, and he has four years of eligibility left. That's my take.
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(03-31-2021 11:38 PM)nightowl24 Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 10:53 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 10:01 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Let me say it to you this way, Land....

Because they didn't even respond to him, as an alumni, notable player and high school coach who sent us numerous players... they dismissed him. A phone call could have changed all that.

Although a number of people on here think the young man is clearly worthy of a Rice football scholarship, that is not our jobs... as you note. That said, Alumni relations IS part of SOMEONE's job within the athletic department... IMO it's ALL of their jobs... Why is 'a conversation' too much to ask? How does 'Rice gave YOU a scholarship' (especially in that the people who gave HIM a scholarship are long since gone) relieve the current staff (coaches OR Athletic department) from simple courtesy?

They have plenty of time and manpower to send him solicitations for money, but they don't have time to talk about a potential player?? Does that REALLY seem 'okay' to you such that you 'wouldn't change a word'?? SOMEBODY thought to ask Brett Wagner and Trevor Cobb to personally solicit financial support. Perhaps they should have recruited YOU to reach out to former players to tell them why they should be thankful??

I don't know any of the specific details concerning this player, nor does anyone else here. I wish I knew more, and I definitely wish I knew both sides of the story, which I'm sure would differ from one another. If it all happened exactly the way you describe, then yes I'm disappointed that staff didn't even reciprocate by returning a phone call. There's no excuse for it, but that's not a reflection of the university and athletics department as a whole. Perhaps it's a reflection of the coaching staff. It's definitely not the kind of incident that would cause me to withhold donations to Rice, or have me speak disparagingly about my alma mater. That would be petty of me.

Considering it's MY son I know the exact specifics.

Let me paint this picture for you... say your child is identified as a top tier chemist. You graduated from Rice with a degree in chemistry. Over the course of 20yrs you have donated money, supported student endeavors in the chemistry dept. You have even advised future chemist and secured funds for them to attend Rice. Now as your son who is one of the best chemistry students around becomes of age your son isn't even considered or even reached out to by the dept that you have supported financially and supported by bringing good Chemists to the dept. You're telling me that you would continue to support that dept with no questions at all? I highly doubt it. Again I'm not begging or even want then to recruit my son at this point but i WILL outline how this type of recruiting of talent academic orn athletic is highly faulty.

I'd be disappointed, but I wouldn't take it personally. These coaches don't know many of Rice's former players at all, nor do they have an appreciation for what any of them have done for the university since they've been gone. That may be different if we had found someone qualified from the Rice coaching tree, but there isn't anyone. Legacy recruiting is a thing of the past, or maybe there are potential 'conflicts of interest' to take into consideration that would prevent a coach from pursuing a legacy.
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I'm 100 percent sure Rice is fully aware of BJ. They've already offered DK Kalu, who is a HS teammate (1 class below) and we've signed numerous kids from Ridge Point through the years - one by the current staff.

I can also tell you his recruiting is blowing up and he's going to be getting a ton of D5 QB offers shortly. Remember now, no one (outside TSU) has offered him yet. His two oldest sisters had full rides to Texas Tech (and then transferred to Georgia after a bit) for softball. Another sister got a partial scholarship to UNT for track. They're not too worried about Rice - they're just trying to figure out why all the other D1 offers are taking so long.
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I am disappointed if this or any former or subsequent staff was not using every tool at its disposal to recruit the best possible players to Rice.
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