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The CAA used to be an excellent conference with like-minded schools that focused on basketball and had a great regional TV presence.

None of that exists anymore and the SoCon has surpassed the CAA in terms of focus on basketball
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(04-04-2021 04:24 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 01:36 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 01:28 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Fan perspective vs. admin perspective.

Here's an admin perspective for you: In the rare instance where a CAA team wins an NCAA Tournament game, all of that money goes to the league office. It requires a CAA team winning 2 or more games for that money to get spread to the teams.

This league has no vision. Maybe under Yeager, at one time, there was some of that. That's no longer the case.

The CAA has been a joke for UNCW for many years and we all know that.

Indeed. I can’t fathom how someone actually thinks the league is a couple additions away from being a good spot for us.

The only realistic schools that are going to join in the near future are northern schools like Albany or Stony Brook. Adds like those do absolutely nothing for us.

There is no future here. The only solution is leaving as soon as humanly possible. It’s a move that is long overdue.
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RE: 2021-2022 Men's Basketball
(04-04-2021 08:50 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 04:24 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 01:36 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 01:28 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Fan perspective vs. admin perspective.

Here's an admin perspective for you: In the rare instance where a CAA team wins an NCAA Tournament game, all of that money goes to the league office. It requires a CAA team winning 2 or more games for that money to get spread to the teams.

This league has no vision. Maybe under Yeager, at one time, there was some of that. That's no longer the case.

The CAA has been a joke for UNCW for many years and we all know that.

Indeed. I can’t fathom how someone actually thinks the league is a couple additions away from being a good spot for us.

The only realistic schools that are going to join in the near future are northern schools like Albany or Stony Brook. Adds like those do absolutely nothing for us.

There is no future here. The only solution is leaving as soon as humanly possible. It’s a move that is long overdue.

Unless we can go A10, a N/S division would be my preference over any other.
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(04-05-2021 11:10 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 08:50 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 04:24 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 01:36 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 01:28 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Fan perspective vs. admin perspective.

Here's an admin perspective for you: In the rare instance where a CAA team wins an NCAA Tournament game, all of that money goes to the league office. It requires a CAA team winning 2 or more games for that money to get spread to the teams.

This league has no vision. Maybe under Yeager, at one time, there was some of that. That's no longer the case.

The CAA has been a joke for UNCW for many years and we all know that.

Indeed. I can’t fathom how someone actually thinks the league is a couple additions away from being a good spot for us.

The only realistic schools that are going to join in the near future are northern schools like Albany or Stony Brook. Adds like those do absolutely nothing for us.

There is no future here. The only solution is leaving as soon as humanly possible. It’s a move that is long overdue.

Unless we can go A10, a N/S division would be my preference over any other.
We need to have a good product before the A10 is even remotely close to an option. We haven't had that in 4 plus years
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RE: 2021-2022 Men's Basketball
(04-05-2021 11:15 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 11:10 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 08:50 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 04:24 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 01:36 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Here's an admin perspective for you: In the rare instance where a CAA team wins an NCAA Tournament game, all of that money goes to the league office. It requires a CAA team winning 2 or more games for that money to get spread to the teams.

This league has no vision. Maybe under Yeager, at one time, there was some of that. That's no longer the case.

The CAA has been a joke for UNCW for many years and we all know that.

Indeed. I can’t fathom how someone actually thinks the league is a couple additions away from being a good spot for us.

The only realistic schools that are going to join in the near future are northern schools like Albany or Stony Brook. Adds like those do absolutely nothing for us.

There is no future here. The only solution is leaving as soon as humanly possible. It’s a move that is long overdue.

Unless we can go A10, a N/S division would be my preference over any other.
We need to have a good product before the A10 is even remotely close to an option. We haven't had that in 4 plus years

UNCW is not anywhere close to being an A10 school now and I am not sure that UNCW has ever really been at that level over a period of time that would be required. Right now the SoCon is a stretch in basketball, as we all know they would not be in the top 5 of the SoCon right now. Big South is better suited from a ccompetition point at this time and they might benefit from being able to be in the mix most of the time. Coming off another terrible year UNCW basketball has no bargaining power with any conference.
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RE: 2021-2022 Men's Basketball
(04-05-2021 01:50 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 11:15 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 11:10 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 08:50 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 04:24 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  The CAA has been a joke for UNCW for many years and we all know that.

Indeed. I can’t fathom how someone actually thinks the league is a couple additions away from being a good spot for us.

The only realistic schools that are going to join in the near future are northern schools like Albany or Stony Brook. Adds like those do absolutely nothing for us.

There is no future here. The only solution is leaving as soon as humanly possible. It’s a move that is long overdue.

Unless we can go A10, a N/S division would be my preference over any other.
We need to have a good product before the A10 is even remotely close to an option. We haven't had that in 4 plus years

UNCW is not anywhere close to being an A10 school now and I am not sure that UNCW has ever really been at that level over a period of time that would be required. Right now the SoCon is a stretch in basketball, as we all know they would not be in the top 5 of the SoCon right now. Big South is better suited from a ccompetition point at this time and they might benefit from being able to be in the mix most of the time. Coming off another terrible year UNCW basketball has no bargaining power with any conference.
I agree. In order to be a viable option for an A10, we'd need another Jerry-Brad type run of sustained success IMO.
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RE: 2021-2022 Men's Basketball
(04-05-2021 11:10 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 08:50 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 04:24 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 01:36 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 01:28 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Fan perspective vs. admin perspective.

Here's an admin perspective for you: In the rare instance where a CAA team wins an NCAA Tournament game, all of that money goes to the league office. It requires a CAA team winning 2 or more games for that money to get spread to the teams.

This league has no vision. Maybe under Yeager, at one time, there was some of that. That's no longer the case.

The CAA has been a joke for UNCW for many years and we all know that.

Indeed. I can’t fathom how someone actually thinks the league is a couple additions away from being a good spot for us.

The only realistic schools that are going to join in the near future are northern schools like Albany or Stony Brook. Adds like those do absolutely nothing for us.

There is no future here. The only solution is leaving as soon as humanly possible. It’s a move that is long overdue.

Unless we can go A10, a N/S division would be my preference over any other.

N/S barely moves the needle on this issue. And it won’t even be a viable option once JMU leaves. No one is coming here to make N/S possible.
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JMU is as good as gone. They’re improving everything they can with a very overt intent to leave the CAA. There’s zero keeping them here and everything points to a departure. They’ve invested heavily in their football program and it makes sense for them.

With the current state of the CAA, I’ll be happy for them.


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(04-04-2021 12:23 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  But a 16 seed is still a 16 seed. If the CAA is typically only producing a 15 or 16 seed champion, there is barely a lick of difference between us and the Big South. Meanwhile, their schools have tons of games on ESPN+ and we don't.

Dont disagree with the sentiment, but its also not based in reality. I think with the losses, we all knew this season would be one of the worst our conference put together. Add in the absurdities from the handling of the season by the league and that adds to the result. 15 and 16 seeds are not typical of this league, except in our worst years with major seeding upsets.

Since realignment in 2013:
16 seed- 2 times (2013 ,2021)
15 seed- 0 times
14 seed- 1 time (2015)
13 seed- 4 times (2014, 2016, 2018, 2019)
12 seed- 1 time (2017)

That means on average we have been a 13.75 since the top of the league left. Hardly close to a 15/16. Just saying.

I think we are all aware the CAA is a mesh of schools that dont particularly fit well, but it clearly does have potential (until the NCAA opens the floodgates on portal ie. free agency)
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The most logical step 1 would be for the AEast and the CAA to get on the same page and tighten their footprints.

UMBC to the CAA and Northeastern to the AEast would be a great step 1 and would benefit everyone by tightening both conference footprints. Both leagues would remove outliers and add schools in the heart of their footprints.

I don't know why any school involved would be against it.

It doesnt even effect football
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That goes to the point of what direction and footprint the CAA truly wants, right? . Not sure current leadership has even made that basic distinction. We have not even gotten beyond the point of being a leader and showing direction, we are still allowing the schools and all of their varying interests to drive the sinking ship. That needs addressed before you even get to your proposed step 1.They naturally overlap because those schools started in the AEast before saving the CAA at the time
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(04-06-2021 09:04 AM)dan10 Wrote:  That goes to the point of what direction and footprint the CAA truly wants, right? . Not sure current leadership has even made that basic distinction. We have not even gotten beyond the point of being a leader and showing direction, we are still allowing the schools and all of their varying interests to drive the sinking ship. That needs addressed before you even get to your proposed step 1.They naturally overlap because those schools started in the AEast before saving the CAA at the time

Agreed. From the Northeastern POV, if UNCW and CoC leave, the conference could very easily add some members above DC and tighten the footprint up north.

Therein lies the core problem of stalemate between parties that don't want to be together.

The easiest solution would be for AEast to focus on the Northeastern footprint while CAA focuses on the MidAtlantic footprint.

Getting everyone to agree on that though would take leadership, which we do not have.
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(04-06-2021 09:55 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 09:04 AM)dan10 Wrote:  That goes to the point of what direction and footprint the CAA truly wants, right? . Not sure current leadership has even made that basic distinction. We have not even gotten beyond the point of being a leader and showing direction, we are still allowing the schools and all of their varying interests to drive the sinking ship. That needs addressed before you even get to your proposed step 1.They naturally overlap because those schools started in the AEast before saving the CAA at the time

Agreed. From the Northeastern POV, if UNCW and CoC leave, the conference could very easily add some members above DC and tighten the footprint up north.

Therein lies the core problem of stalemate between parties that don't want to be together.

The easiest solution would be for AEast to focus on the Northeastern footprint while CAA focuses on the MidAtlantic footprint.

Getting everyone to agree on that though would take leadership, which we do not have.

04-cheers Yup you get it. Until you break that important hurdle, everything else is just mental gymnastics.
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(04-06-2021 10:01 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 09:55 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 09:04 AM)dan10 Wrote:  That goes to the point of what direction and footprint the CAA truly wants, right? . Not sure current leadership has even made that basic distinction. We have not even gotten beyond the point of being a leader and showing direction, we are still allowing the schools and all of their varying interests to drive the sinking ship. That needs addressed before you even get to your proposed step 1.They naturally overlap because those schools started in the AEast before saving the CAA at the time

Agreed. From the Northeastern POV, if UNCW and CoC leave, the conference could very easily add some members above DC and tighten the footprint up north.

Therein lies the core problem of stalemate between parties that don't want to be together.

The easiest solution would be for AEast to focus on the Northeastern footprint while CAA focuses on the MidAtlantic footprint.

Getting everyone to agree on that though would take leadership, which we do not have.

04-cheers Yup you get it. Until you break that important hurdle, everything else is just mental gymnastics.

Do you have a preferred solution from the Drexel perspective?
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(04-06-2021 08:24 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 12:23 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  But a 16 seed is still a 16 seed. If the CAA is typically only producing a 15 or 16 seed champion, there is barely a lick of difference between us and the Big South. Meanwhile, their schools have tons of games on ESPN+ and we don't.

Dont disagree with the sentiment, but its also not based in reality. I think with the losses, we all knew this season would be one of the worst our conference put together. Add in the absurdities from the handling of the season by the league and that adds to the result. 15 and 16 seeds are not typical of this league, except in our worst years with major seeding upsets.

Since realignment in 2013:
16 seed- 2 times (2013 ,2021)
15 seed- 0 times
14 seed- 1 time (2015)
13 seed- 4 times (2014, 2016, 2018, 2019)
12 seed- 1 time (2017)

That means on average we have been a 13.75 since the top of the league left. Hardly close to a 15/16. Just saying.

I think we are all aware the CAA is a mesh of schools that dont particularly fit well, but it clearly does have potential (until the NCAA opens the floodgates on portal ie. free agency)


Right, but the norm going forward is likely going to be a 15/16 type conference like it was this season. Especially with so much talent getting poached via the transfer portal. Unless you see any teams in this league rising above that level any time soon.
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(04-06-2021 11:27 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 08:24 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 12:23 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  But a 16 seed is still a 16 seed. If the CAA is typically only producing a 15 or 16 seed champion, there is barely a lick of difference between us and the Big South. Meanwhile, their schools have tons of games on ESPN+ and we don't.

Dont disagree with the sentiment, but its also not based in reality. I think with the losses, we all knew this season would be one of the worst our conference put together. Add in the absurdities from the handling of the season by the league and that adds to the result. 15 and 16 seeds are not typical of this league, except in our worst years with major seeding upsets.

Since realignment in 2013:
16 seed- 2 times (2013 ,2021)
15 seed- 0 times
14 seed- 1 time (2015)
13 seed- 4 times (2014, 2016, 2018, 2019)
12 seed- 1 time (2017)

That means on average we have been a 13.75 since the top of the league left. Hardly close to a 15/16. Just saying.

I think we are all aware the CAA is a mesh of schools that dont particularly fit well, but it clearly does have potential (until the NCAA opens the floodgates on portal ie. free agency)


Right, but the norm going forward is likely going to be a 15/16 type conference like it was this season. Especially with so much talent getting poached via the transfer portal. Unless you see any teams in this league rising above that level any time soon.

I actually see the CAA on the rise. Promising new coaches at UNCW, JMU, ELON, CofC and William and Mary. Unfortunately, the southern schools haven't been pulling their weight lately, with NU and Hofstra being the best consistently over the past decade and Drexel taking the last CAA tournament. Towson continues to do well but just can't seem to meet their potential and Delaware is the same. But I see the southern schools getting back to where we were.
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(04-06-2021 12:40 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 11:27 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 08:24 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 12:23 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  But a 16 seed is still a 16 seed. If the CAA is typically only producing a 15 or 16 seed champion, there is barely a lick of difference between us and the Big South. Meanwhile, their schools have tons of games on ESPN+ and we don't.

Dont disagree with the sentiment, but its also not based in reality. I think with the losses, we all knew this season would be one of the worst our conference put together. Add in the absurdities from the handling of the season by the league and that adds to the result. 15 and 16 seeds are not typical of this league, except in our worst years with major seeding upsets.

Since realignment in 2013:
16 seed- 2 times (2013 ,2021)
15 seed- 0 times
14 seed- 1 time (2015)
13 seed- 4 times (2014, 2016, 2018, 2019)
12 seed- 1 time (2017)

That means on average we have been a 13.75 since the top of the league left. Hardly close to a 15/16. Just saying.

I think we are all aware the CAA is a mesh of schools that dont particularly fit well, but it clearly does have potential (until the NCAA opens the floodgates on portal ie. free agency)


Right, but the norm going forward is likely going to be a 15/16 type conference like it was this season. Especially with so much talent getting poached via the transfer portal. Unless you see any teams in this league rising above that level any time soon.

I actually see the CAA on the rise. Promising new coaches at UNCW, JMU, ELON, CofC and William and Mary. Unfortunately, the southern schools haven't been pulling their weight lately, with NU and Hofstra being the best consistently over the past decade and Drexel taking the last CAA tournament. Towson continues to do well but just can't seem to meet their potential and Delaware is the same. But I see the southern schools getting back to where we were.
LOL if your definition of "promising" is 7-10 and losing more than half of the team to transfer...... i want some of what you are smoking. We HOPE that we as a team are trending up but have no proof yet that that is indeed the case. William and Mary also finished 7-10. You have made the case that COC is in worse shape than us, although they hired a coach with a good track record. JMU hired a good coach, but also one which you have said he's only good because of the POY he inherited. So which is it? Not to mention as others have said JMU is on the way out. Hell, they just cancelled another baseball series with us because they feel like it.
The league has been trending down for several years, and you are about the only one here who doesn't see that!
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(04-06-2021 11:27 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 08:24 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 12:23 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  But a 16 seed is still a 16 seed. If the CAA is typically only producing a 15 or 16 seed champion, there is barely a lick of difference between us and the Big South. Meanwhile, their schools have tons of games on ESPN+ and we don't.

Dont disagree with the sentiment, but its also not based in reality. I think with the losses, we all knew this season would be one of the worst our conference put together. Add in the absurdities from the handling of the season by the league and that adds to the result. 15 and 16 seeds are not typical of this league, except in our worst years with major seeding upsets.

Since realignment in 2013:
16 seed- 2 times (2013 ,2021)
15 seed- 0 times
14 seed- 1 time (2015)
13 seed- 4 times (2014, 2016, 2018, 2019)
12 seed- 1 time (2017)

That means on average we have been a 13.75 since the top of the league left. Hardly close to a 15/16. Just saying.

I think we are all aware the CAA is a mesh of schools that dont particularly fit well, but it clearly does have potential (until the NCAA opens the floodgates on portal ie. free agency)


Right, but the norm going forward is likely going to be a 15/16 type conference like it was this season. Especially with so much talent getting poached via the transfer portal. Unless you see any teams in this league rising above that level any time soon.

I am usually the negative person since I am by nature a realist, and even I dont think its that doom and gloom. I do not think this season will be the norm at all. With Kelsey headed to CofC, Elon already on the rise, we appear to be keeping much of our young team in tact, JMU despite their losses appear on a good track. So yes even with defections, I see us back to our normal 13/14 range very soon if not next season.

Now if your question is whether this league will get back to '06-'12 time frame when an at large most seasons was attainable, I would say no. I think the portal and constant movement of players will prevent that. Because any top tier CAA player that is a JR or higher will likely bolt for power 5 conferences, where in those years they were pretty well stuck at their school. That dynamic will stop the league and most mid majors from ever getting back to true consistent success.
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(04-06-2021 10:43 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 10:01 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 09:55 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 09:04 AM)dan10 Wrote:  That goes to the point of what direction and footprint the CAA truly wants, right? . Not sure current leadership has even made that basic distinction. We have not even gotten beyond the point of being a leader and showing direction, we are still allowing the schools and all of their varying interests to drive the sinking ship. That needs addressed before you even get to your proposed step 1.They naturally overlap because those schools started in the AEast before saving the CAA at the time

Agreed. From the Northeastern POV, if UNCW and CoC leave, the conference could very easily add some members above DC and tighten the footprint up north.

Therein lies the core problem of stalemate between parties that don't want to be together.

The easiest solution would be for AEast to focus on the Northeastern footprint while CAA focuses on the MidAtlantic footprint.

Getting everyone to agree on that though would take leadership, which we do not have.

04-cheers Yup you get it. Until you break that important hurdle, everything else is just mental gymnastics.

Do you have a preferred solution from the Drexel perspective?

Unfortunately Drexel is part of the problem, not the solution. It will be interesting to see what a new AD will do and what direction they want us to go. That is very much to be seen. However Drexel was one of the few schools who truly used the FLO money to put games on locally. So to many of our fans, it has felt mostly like the old days since many home games have been on local tv broadcasts. With that said, this season had so few home games that it didnt matter.

I think the league needs to become truly focused. I dont think a league that supports basketball and half of a football league, while allowing non members to just play football will ever work. Once NU and HU dropped football, the CAA should have made a decision one way or another, instead they waffled and still let non full time members speak for full time members for decision-making. So if this league is going to have any hope of flourishing it needs to decide whether it wants football or not. I dont think it can work well having 1.5 of those sports.

If the league decides that basketball is the route I think it is in Drexel's best interest to stay and make it work, since we do not have very many peers that we align with as far as school demographics and academics. NU is one of the few that matches well. When the split happens, us and Delaware will split in different ways, despite the history. If the league does that I agree a south division and north division makes the most sense and is easily feasible. Replacing the football schools would not be that big of a task.

If the league focuses on football, Drexel obviously is an odd man out. If a new mid atlantic conference is not created then our only realistic choices would be to drop down to the Patriot League or back to the AEast.

The 3rd option would be for the league to try and keep current members together and get to divisions, but I think that would mean the league should drop football only schools unless you bring any of them on as a full time member and likely drop the autobid while still allowing the teams to play an abbreviated conference slate. The football schools would never go for this option.

The option I would want ideally would be a new conference to be created that focuses on academic driven research universities that are mostly private in the mid atlantic. Schools with a basketball focus. One that would likely be a mesh of CAA, AEast, Patriot, MAAC schools. Something like: Drexel, NU, Delaware, Bucknell, Lehigh, Lafayette, maybe Rider, maybe HU, Binghamton, Colgate, Boston U, and maybe another like Fairleigh Dickinson or Navy if you can pull that off.
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RE: 2021-2022 Men's Basketball
(04-06-2021 01:04 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 12:40 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 11:27 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(04-06-2021 08:24 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(04-04-2021 12:23 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  But a 16 seed is still a 16 seed. If the CAA is typically only producing a 15 or 16 seed champion, there is barely a lick of difference between us and the Big South. Meanwhile, their schools have tons of games on ESPN+ and we don't.

Dont disagree with the sentiment, but its also not based in reality. I think with the losses, we all knew this season would be one of the worst our conference put together. Add in the absurdities from the handling of the season by the league and that adds to the result. 15 and 16 seeds are not typical of this league, except in our worst years with major seeding upsets.

Since realignment in 2013:
16 seed- 2 times (2013 ,2021)
15 seed- 0 times
14 seed- 1 time (2015)
13 seed- 4 times (2014, 2016, 2018, 2019)
12 seed- 1 time (2017)

That means on average we have been a 13.75 since the top of the league left. Hardly close to a 15/16. Just saying.

I think we are all aware the CAA is a mesh of schools that dont particularly fit well, but it clearly does have potential (until the NCAA opens the floodgates on portal ie. free agency)


Right, but the norm going forward is likely going to be a 15/16 type conference like it was this season. Especially with so much talent getting poached via the transfer portal. Unless you see any teams in this league rising above that level any time soon.

I actually see the CAA on the rise. Promising new coaches at UNCW, JMU, ELON, CofC and William and Mary. Unfortunately, the southern schools haven't been pulling their weight lately, with NU and Hofstra being the best consistently over the past decade and Drexel taking the last CAA tournament. Towson continues to do well but just can't seem to meet their potential and Delaware is the same. But I see the southern schools getting back to where we were.
LOL if your definition of "promising" is 7-10 and losing more than half of the team to transfer...... i want some of what you are smoking. We HOPE that we as a team are trending up but have no proof yet that that is indeed the case. William and Mary also finished 7-10. You have made the case that COC is in worse shape than us, although they hired a coach with a good track record. JMU hired a good coach, but also one which you have said he's only good because of the POY he inherited. So which is it? Not to mention as others have said JMU is on the way out. Hell, they just cancelled another baseball series with us because they feel like it.
The league has been trending down for several years, and you are about the only one here who doesn't see that!

1. I'm not looking at the short term, i'm looking at the long term.
2. I put no value on last year whatsoever. As far as i'm concerned, 2020 never happened.
3. That's my opinion. Don't like it, get your own opinion....:-)
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