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(04-27-2021 10:29 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  Leipold reportedly among final 2 for Kansas opening.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2021/apr/2...all-coach/

One might think Leipold would hold out for another job that's not Kansas (the laughing stock of the FBS). Who would ever go to that dumpster fire? He seems to be building something special at Buffalo. Could have a Fleck-like season then bolt to a respectable money school, one that's not named Kansas.
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(04-27-2021 10:29 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  Leipold reportedly among final 2 for Kansas opening.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2021/apr/2...all-coach/

One might think Leipold would hold out for another job that's not Kansas (the laughing stock of the FBS). Who would ever go to that dumpster fire? He seems to be building something special at Buffalo. Could have a Fleck-like season then bolt to a respectable money school, one that's not named Kansas.

I respect that. I also think that some coaches take a certain joy in going into a "dumpster fire" and making something good out of it. To be honest, I don't know enough about Leipold though
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(04-27-2021 10:29 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  Leipold reportedly among final 2 for Kansas opening.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2021/apr/2...all-coach/

Ugh. Totally unrelated to the topic at hand, but the article mentions that among the four whom Kansas was/is focusing on is Mike Elko. Elko was Clawson’s DC at BG. When Clawson left for Wake Forest, BG’s AD apparently didn’t consider anybody for the job but Mike effing Jinks, not even the dude who had masterminded one of the nation’s best defenses. Now that Elko is one of the most sought after defensive coaches in the country, I get nauseated every time I read his name in the press. What could have been...
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(04-28-2021 12:57 AM)thanksjim Wrote:  
(04-27-2021 11:50 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  
(04-27-2021 10:29 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  Leipold reportedly among final 2 for Kansas opening.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2021/apr/2...all-coach/

One might think Leipold would hold out for another job that's not Kansas (the laughing stock of the FBS). Who would ever go to that dumpster fire? He seems to be building something special at Buffalo. Could have a Fleck-like season then bolt to a respectable money school, one that's not named Kansas.

I respect that. I also think that some coaches take a certain joy in going into a "dumpster fire" and making something good out of it. To be honest, I don't know enough about Leipold though

Not that Iowa State was necessarily a dumpster fire, but look what Campbell has done to that football program. Half of my family are Cyclone graduates and/or fans (though some are Hawkeye contrarians), so I’m very aware that a few 7-5 seasons without too many disasters in between earns a coach tenure in Ames. Or it did before Campbell set new standards for the program. If it can be done at Iowa State, it can be done at Kansas.
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Why is Kansas hiring so late in the year?
Hmm - maybe because no one they contacted early on wanted the job at the graveyard of coaching?
I guess if you want to make a few million dollars over 5 years and then get fired and be an asst somewhere, then sure.
Good luck to who ever wants to try to fix that mess.
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(04-28-2021 09:39 AM)bg816 Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 12:57 AM)thanksjim Wrote:  
(04-27-2021 11:50 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  
(04-27-2021 10:29 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  Leipold reportedly among final 2 for Kansas opening.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2021/apr/2...all-coach/

One might think Leipold would hold out for another job that's not Kansas (the laughing stock of the FBS). Who would ever go to that dumpster fire? He seems to be building something special at Buffalo. Could have a Fleck-like season then bolt to a respectable money school, one that's not named Kansas.

I respect that. I also think that some coaches take a certain joy in going into a "dumpster fire" and making something good out of it. To be honest, I don't know enough about Leipold though

Not that Iowa State was necessarily a dumpster fire, but look what Campbell has done to that football program. Half of my family are Cyclone graduates and/or fans (though some are Hawkeye contrarians), so I’m very aware that a few 7-5 seasons without too many disasters in between earns a coach tenure in Ames. Or it did before Campbell set new standards for the program. If it can be done at Iowa State, it can be done at Kansas.

Big difference though is that KU is a blue blood in basketball to suck up university resources and fan support, plus ISU's main rival isn't in the same conference.

No way I'd take that job now if I were a coach, though I'd love to rebuild them in a video game. Was always a lot more fun building crappy programs (Akron was awful back when the last games came out) to relevance and eventual contention.
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(04-27-2021 10:29 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  Leipold reportedly among final 2 for Kansas opening.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2021/apr/2...all-coach/

Eww, Kansas football is a dumpster fire and everyone (not named Mangino) who goes there has failed. Leipold should wait for a better opportunity.
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(04-27-2021 10:29 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  Leipold reportedly among final 2 for Kansas opening.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2021/apr/2...all-coach/

...where coaches go to die.
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Schedule bad MAC teams OOC & beat the other cellar B12 teams & go from there.

3 OOC MAC wins, + 3 B12 wins in the basement & you're bowl eligible & the culture's changed
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(04-28-2021 10:49 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 09:39 AM)bg816 Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 12:57 AM)thanksjim Wrote:  
(04-27-2021 11:50 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  
(04-27-2021 10:29 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  Leipold reportedly among final 2 for Kansas opening.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2021/apr/2...all-coach/

One might think Leipold would hold out for another job that's not Kansas (the laughing stock of the FBS). Who would ever go to that dumpster fire? He seems to be building something special at Buffalo. Could have a Fleck-like season then bolt to a respectable money school, one that's not named Kansas.

I respect that. I also think that some coaches take a certain joy in going into a "dumpster fire" and making something good out of it. To be honest, I don't know enough about Leipold though

Not that Iowa State was necessarily a dumpster fire, but look what Campbell has done to that football program. Half of my family are Cyclone graduates and/or fans (though some are Hawkeye contrarians), so I’m very aware that a few 7-5 seasons without too many disasters in between earns a coach tenure in Ames. Or it did before Campbell set new standards for the program. If it can be done at Iowa State, it can be done at Kansas.

Big difference though is that KU is a blue blood in basketball to suck up university resources and fan support, plus ISU's main rival isn't in the same conference.

No way I'd take that job now if I were a coach, though I'd love to rebuild them in a video game. Was always a lot more fun building crappy programs (Akron was awful back when the last games came out) to relevance and eventual contention.

Iowa State has much more fan support in FB. Even when they were bad they were averaging over 50K a game. They have better recruiting grounds as well-- Iowa isn't exactly Florida or Texas, but it has a lot more homegrown talent than Kansas. Matt Campbell really took the Cyclones to the next level by killing it in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Michigan as well.
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Take the money and run. There is no guarantee for success. In 2021, if he has an 8-5 year like in 2019, is anyone talking about him or are they moving on to the next hot coach? He gets 6 years and can go back and coach a g5 program if he flames out.

Although Kansas is a lousy job.
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(04-30-2021 08:17 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 10:49 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 09:39 AM)bg816 Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 12:57 AM)thanksjim Wrote:  
(04-27-2021 11:50 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  One might think Leipold would hold out for another job that's not Kansas (the laughing stock of the FBS). Who would ever go to that dumpster fire? He seems to be building something special at Buffalo. Could have a Fleck-like season then bolt to a respectable money school, one that's not named Kansas.

I respect that. I also think that some coaches take a certain joy in going into a "dumpster fire" and making something good out of it. To be honest, I don't know enough about Leipold though

Not that Iowa State was necessarily a dumpster fire, but look what Campbell has done to that football program. Half of my family are Cyclone graduates and/or fans (though some are Hawkeye contrarians), so I’m very aware that a few 7-5 seasons without too many disasters in between earns a coach tenure in Ames. Or it did before Campbell set new standards for the program. If it can be done at Iowa State, it can be done at Kansas.

Big difference though is that KU is a blue blood in basketball to suck up university resources and fan support, plus ISU's main rival isn't in the same conference.

No way I'd take that job now if I were a coach, though I'd love to rebuild them in a video game. Was always a lot more fun building crappy programs (Akron was awful back when the last games came out) to relevance and eventual contention.

Iowa State has much more fan support in FB. Even when they were bad they were averaging over 50K a game. They have better recruiting grounds as well-- Iowa isn't exactly Florida or Texas, but it has a lot more homegrown talent than Kansas. Matt Campbell really took the Cyclones to the next level by killing it in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Michigan as well.

Iowa St fan support is because there is literally nothing else to do in Iowa and no professional teams to compete with.
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Good luck coach. Odds are not on your side though.
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(04-30-2021 11:05 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 08:17 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 10:49 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 09:39 AM)bg816 Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 12:57 AM)thanksjim Wrote:  I respect that. I also think that some coaches take a certain joy in going into a "dumpster fire" and making something good out of it. To be honest, I don't know enough about Leipold though

Not that Iowa State was necessarily a dumpster fire, but look what Campbell has done to that football program. Half of my family are Cyclone graduates and/or fans (though some are Hawkeye contrarians), so I’m very aware that a few 7-5 seasons without too many disasters in between earns a coach tenure in Ames. Or it did before Campbell set new standards for the program. If it can be done at Iowa State, it can be done at Kansas.

Big difference though is that KU is a blue blood in basketball to suck up university resources and fan support, plus ISU's main rival isn't in the same conference.

No way I'd take that job now if I were a coach, though I'd love to rebuild them in a video game. Was always a lot more fun building crappy programs (Akron was awful back when the last games came out) to relevance and eventual contention.

Iowa State has much more fan support in FB. Even when they were bad they were averaging over 50K a game. They have better recruiting grounds as well-- Iowa isn't exactly Florida or Texas, but it has a lot more homegrown talent than Kansas. Matt Campbell really took the Cyclones to the next level by killing it in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Michigan as well.

Iowa St fan support is because there is literally nothing else to do in Iowa and no professional teams to compete with.

Of course, there are no professional teams in Kansas, either. A lot of Kansas residents are fans of the Chiefs and Royals, much like Iowans and the Bears, Cubs, Packers, Blackhawks, Brewers, etc.—in all those neighboring states.
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(04-30-2021 02:01 PM)axeme Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 11:05 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 08:17 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 10:49 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 09:39 AM)bg816 Wrote:  Not that Iowa State was necessarily a dumpster fire, but look what Campbell has done to that football program. Half of my family are Cyclone graduates and/or fans (though some are Hawkeye contrarians), so I’m very aware that a few 7-5 seasons without too many disasters in between earns a coach tenure in Ames. Or it did before Campbell set new standards for the program. If it can be done at Iowa State, it can be done at Kansas.

Big difference though is that KU is a blue blood in basketball to suck up university resources and fan support, plus ISU's main rival isn't in the same conference.

No way I'd take that job now if I were a coach, though I'd love to rebuild them in a video game. Was always a lot more fun building crappy programs (Akron was awful back when the last games came out) to relevance and eventual contention.

Iowa State has much more fan support in FB. Even when they were bad they were averaging over 50K a game. They have better recruiting grounds as well-- Iowa isn't exactly Florida or Texas, but it has a lot more homegrown talent than Kansas. Matt Campbell really took the Cyclones to the next level by killing it in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Michigan as well.

Iowa St fan support is because there is literally nothing else to do in Iowa and no professional teams to compete with.

Of course, there are no professional teams in Kansas, either. A lot of Kansas residents are fans of the Chiefs and Royals, much like Iowans and the Bears, Cubs, Packers, Blackhawks, Brewers, etc.—in all those neighboring states.

Oh trust me, I am very familiar with Iowa. Most of them are fans Illinois, Wisconsin, or Minnesota professional franchises but its not like they are driving to GB, Chicago, etc. to go to games much. They might make one annual pilgrimage to go to Chicago to see a Cubs game but that's about it. Iowa St and Iowa can dominate Saturdays for Iowans because there isn't much else to do there.
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(04-30-2021 03:00 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Iowa St and Iowa can dominate Saturdays for Iowans because there isn't much else to do there.

Drove through Ames (Iowa St) on a way back from a trip last year. 3/4 of MAC schools are nicer than Ames IMO
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(04-30-2021 03:00 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 02:01 PM)axeme Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 11:05 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 08:17 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(04-28-2021 10:49 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Big difference though is that KU is a blue blood in basketball to suck up university resources and fan support, plus ISU's main rival isn't in the same conference.

No way I'd take that job now if I were a coach, though I'd love to rebuild them in a video game. Was always a lot more fun building crappy programs (Akron was awful back when the last games came out) to relevance and eventual contention.

Iowa State has much more fan support in FB. Even when they were bad they were averaging over 50K a game. They have better recruiting grounds as well-- Iowa isn't exactly Florida or Texas, but it has a lot more homegrown talent than Kansas. Matt Campbell really took the Cyclones to the next level by killing it in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Michigan as well.

Iowa St fan support is because there is literally nothing else to do in Iowa and no professional teams to compete with.

Of course, there are no professional teams in Kansas, either. A lot of Kansas residents are fans of the Chiefs and Royals, much like Iowans and the Bears, Cubs, Packers, Blackhawks, Brewers, etc.—in all those neighboring states.

Oh trust me, I am very familiar with Iowa. Most of them are fans Illinois, Wisconsin, or Minnesota professional franchises but its not like they are driving to GB, Chicago, etc. to go to games much. They might make one annual pilgrimage to go to Chicago to see a Cubs game but that's about it. Iowa St and Iowa can dominate Saturdays for Iowans because there isn't much else to do there.

Unlike Iowa however, Lawrence is only a half hour from the Kansas City MLS stadium (on the KS side of the border) and less than an hour from Kaufman/Arrowhead if there isn't much traffic. Topeka only another half hour down I-70 so that's a chunk of their fan base with somewhat easy access to pro teams as well, compared to Ames at least. And comparable to the same commute a Cubs fan from Naperville would face taking the Eisenhower/LSD to Wrigley for a night game.
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(04-30-2021 04:02 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
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(04-30-2021 11:05 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(04-30-2021 08:17 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Iowa State has much more fan support in FB. Even when they were bad they were averaging over 50K a game. They have better recruiting grounds as well-- Iowa isn't exactly Florida or Texas, but it has a lot more homegrown talent than Kansas. Matt Campbell really took the Cyclones to the next level by killing it in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Michigan as well.

Iowa St fan support is because there is literally nothing else to do in Iowa and no professional teams to compete with.

Of course, there are no professional teams in Kansas, either. A lot of Kansas residents are fans of the Chiefs and Royals, much like Iowans and the Bears, Cubs, Packers, Blackhawks, Brewers, etc.—in all those neighboring states.

Oh trust me, I am very familiar with Iowa. Most of them are fans Illinois, Wisconsin, or Minnesota professional franchises but its not like they are driving to GB, Chicago, etc. to go to games much. They might make one annual pilgrimage to go to Chicago to see a Cubs game but that's about it. Iowa St and Iowa can dominate Saturdays for Iowans because there isn't much else to do there.

Unlike Iowa however, Lawrence is only a half hour from the Kansas City MLS stadium (on the KS side of the border) and less than an hour from Kaufman/Arrowhead if there isn't much traffic. Topeka only another half hour down I-70 so that's a chunk of their fan base with somewhat easy access to pro teams as well, compared to Ames at least. And comparable to the same commute a Cubs fan from Naperville would face taking the Eisenhower/LSD to Wrigley for a night game.

I'm reasonably familiar with Iowa, being that I live there, and have in-laws who are split between Iowa and Iowa St. Purely anecdotal, but I know some local guys who go to 1-2 Bears games a year and 3-4 Blackhawks games a year, before this year, of course. They're nuts, granted. I wouldn't make that 3.5 hr drive and back on a weeknight. And I really wouldn't ride with them.

Couldn't agree more about Ames. Ugh.
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Anyways, Liepold to Kansas confirmed.

While rough, as I was saying, it only takes an easier OOC schedule, plus a couple more conference Ws & you've made big steps in the turning the program around. It can be done. It also wasn't that long ago KU was playing in a BCS bowl. This isn't a program that's been bad for 50+ years.

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(04-30-2021 03:00 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Iowa St and Iowa can dominate Saturdays for Iowans because there isn't much else to do there.

Drove through Ames (Iowa St) on a way back from a trip last year. 3/4 of MAC schools are nicer than Ames IMO

I've only ever watched a couple Iowa St games. Must've been when they were bad, b/c it didn't look too much different from a MAC game crowd-wise.
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Sucks for us Bulls fans that the program has to do a head coach search two weeks after spring practice ended, and just a couple weeks before the semester ends and players leave for home.
This is gonna hurt UB this season, hopefully not for the long run.
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