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(03-27-2021 10:31 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  IIRC, I don't think pitching management or development was considered a strength of Bragga's when he was at TennTech. His teams there just bludgeoned opponents on offense. Absent the dominant offense, that seems to be the pattern here.

yet he demoted barton to take control of all pitching...weird
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(03-27-2021 01:21 PM)Adams Song Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 10:31 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  IIRC, I don't think pitching management or development was considered a strength of Bragga's when he was at TennTech. His teams there just bludgeoned opponents on offense. Absent the dominant offense, that seems to be the pattern here.
yet he demoted barton to take control of all pitching...weird

And we've been run-ruled twice since we did that.

I think Bragga is basically a competent coach. But right now nothing is working, and he doesn't know what to do, so he's making panic moves. Those never end well.
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The pitching has been all or nothing lately. We’ve shut out a bunch of teams and gotten run-ruled twice. Can’t we just give up 3 runs a game and call it a day, hahah 03-wink?

On that note, off to a good start today on a Garibay bomb. 2-0 Rice in B2 of game 1.

Garcia pitching so the hamstring must be better.
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(03-27-2021 09:38 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 08:31 AM)RiceOwls2019 Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 07:21 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Thank God I didn’t waste my time last night watching/listening to this game... But it’s amazing to me how this team oscillates from having pretty good performances to looking like a little league team, especially on the mound.

My bigger concern is in the talent I see from our younger players. Unlike some on this forum, I wanted Wayne gone as it was clear our recruiting had gone to crap and we just weren’t getting the same horses anymore.


So Bragga comes in, picked up some really good commitments early and those guys are freshman this year for the most part. Besides Garibay, who I think will be a very good player for us if he sticks around, I don’t really see any studs. Heck, even in Wayne’s later years, you still had power arms like Glenn Otto (and Roel Garcia pre injury) touching 97-98 as a freshman. Not to mention Matt Canterino-but he never blew me away at the college level despite being a high draft pick.

I like Justin Long. He’s impressed me behind the plate.

But yeah, this year 3 of Bragga and overall we look worse than ever.

Look, I'm not happy with the performance this year so far, but to say we look worse than ever is just plain false. Our defense and overall fundamentals are vastly improved over the past several seasons. We knew the pitching would be suspect if Garcia was not healthy. My beef is that Bragga has been overly hesitant to put our young guns in there (save for Gallant) except for wash up time.

Obviously, the offense has been a disappointment, but no worse than previous recent years.

I disagree. Maybe this team isn't any worse than Bragga's previous 2 (bad) teams, but at no point during the Graham era, even at the tail end, where we so bad that we were getting run ruled by mediocre (at best) teams.

In fact, we were never run ruled once from 2015-2018, the worst of the Graham years. Already happened twice this year, to the likes of Texas State and UTSA.
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RE: UTSA vs Owls - Game 1
(03-27-2021 02:53 PM)RiceOwls2019 Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 09:38 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 08:31 AM)RiceOwls2019 Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 07:21 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Thank God I didn’t waste my time last night watching/listening to this game... But it’s amazing to me how this team oscillates from having pretty good performances to looking like a little league team, especially on the mound.

My bigger concern is in the talent I see from our younger players. Unlike some on this forum, I wanted Wayne gone as it was clear our recruiting had gone to crap and we just weren’t getting the same horses anymore.


So Bragga comes in, picked up some really good commitments early and those guys are freshman this year for the most part. Besides Garibay, who I think will be a very good player for us if he sticks around, I don’t really see any studs. Heck, even in Wayne’s later years, you still had power arms like Glenn Otto (and Roel Garcia pre injury) touching 97-98 as a freshman. Not to mention Matt Canterino-but he never blew me away at the college level despite being a high draft pick.

I like Justin Long. He’s impressed me behind the plate.

But yeah, this year 3 of Bragga and overall we look worse than ever.

Look, I'm not happy with the performance this year so far, but to say we look worse than ever is just plain false. Our defense and overall fundamentals are vastly improved over the past several seasons. We knew the pitching would be suspect if Garcia was not healthy. My beef is that Bragga has been overly hesitant to put our young guns in there (save for Gallant) except for wash up time.

Obviously, the offense has been a disappointment, but no worse than previous recent years.

I disagree. Maybe this team isn't any worse than Bragga's previous 2 (bad) teams, but at no point during the Graham era, even at the tail end, where we so bad that we were getting run ruled by mediocre (at best) teams.

In fact, we were never run ruled once from 2015-2018, the worst of the Graham years. Already happened twice this year, to the likes of Texas State and UTSA.

First off, Texas State and UTSA are not crappy teams. But more to the point, being run-ruled in a couple games does not define how good or bad you are as a team. This year's team is vastly better than Bragga's first two clubs-- particularly in defense and playing sound, fundamental baseball. And, BTW, Wayne's last couple teams played poor defense and were atrocious in the fundamentals.
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RE: UTSA vs Owls - Game 1
(03-27-2021 03:42 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 02:53 PM)RiceOwls2019 Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 09:38 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 08:31 AM)RiceOwls2019 Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 07:21 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Thank God I didn’t waste my time last night watching/listening to this game... But it’s amazing to me how this team oscillates from having pretty good performances to looking like a little league team, especially on the mound.

My bigger concern is in the talent I see from our younger players. Unlike some on this forum, I wanted Wayne gone as it was clear our recruiting had gone to crap and we just weren’t getting the same horses anymore.


So Bragga comes in, picked up some really good commitments early and those guys are freshman this year for the most part. Besides Garibay, who I think will be a very good player for us if he sticks around, I don’t really see any studs. Heck, even in Wayne’s later years, you still had power arms like Glenn Otto (and Roel Garcia pre injury) touching 97-98 as a freshman. Not to mention Matt Canterino-but he never blew me away at the college level despite being a high draft pick.

I like Justin Long. He’s impressed me behind the plate.

But yeah, this year 3 of Bragga and overall we look worse than ever.

Look, I'm not happy with the performance this year so far, but to say we look worse than ever is just plain false. Our defense and overall fundamentals are vastly improved over the past several seasons. We knew the pitching would be suspect if Garcia was not healthy. My beef is that Bragga has been overly hesitant to put our young guns in there (save for Gallant) except for wash up time.

Obviously, the offense has been a disappointment, but no worse than previous recent years.

I disagree. Maybe this team isn't any worse than Bragga's previous 2 (bad) teams, but at no point during the Graham era, even at the tail end, where we so bad that we were getting run ruled by mediocre (at best) teams.

In fact, we were never run ruled once from 2015-2018, the worst of the Graham years. Already happened twice this year, to the likes of Texas State and UTSA.

First off, Texas State and UTSA are not crappy teams. But more to the point, being run-ruled in a couple games does not define how good or bad you are as a team. This year's team is vastly better than Bragga's first two clubs-- particularly in defense and playing sound, fundamental baseball. And, BTW, Wayne's last couple teams played poor defense and were atrocious in the fundamentals.

Rice does have the best fielding percentage in C-USA right now so you’re on track there.

That said, this team is worse than the first Bragga team for sure. Maybe a bit improved from last year but tough to tell given how it was a truncated season. That said-three years in and Bragga should have this team back contending. We’re not anywhere close to that hence why we need to cut bait if this **** continues... Hate to put it on the players, as they’re doing their best, but they aren’t the horses we need. Forget the ‘03-‘08 teams... There are no guys on this team that have the raw talent that someone like Ford Proctor, Tristan Gray, or Dane Myers had...

Take a guy like Comeaux.. Really nice player, hard worker, great kid, hits for average. But he doesn’t have the physical attributes.
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(03-27-2021 03:50 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 03:42 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 02:53 PM)RiceOwls2019 Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 09:38 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 08:31 AM)RiceOwls2019 Wrote:  I like Justin Long. He’s impressed me behind the plate.

But yeah, this year 3 of Bragga and overall we look worse than ever.

Look, I'm not happy with the performance this year so far, but to say we look worse than ever is just plain false. Our defense and overall fundamentals are vastly improved over the past several seasons. We knew the pitching would be suspect if Garcia was not healthy. My beef is that Bragga has been overly hesitant to put our young guns in there (save for Gallant) except for wash up time.

Obviously, the offense has been a disappointment, but no worse than previous recent years.

I disagree. Maybe this team isn't any worse than Bragga's previous 2 (bad) teams, but at no point during the Graham era, even at the tail end, where we so bad that we were getting run ruled by mediocre (at best) teams.

In fact, we were never run ruled once from 2015-2018, the worst of the Graham years. Already happened twice this year, to the likes of Texas State and UTSA.

First off, Texas State and UTSA are not crappy teams. But more to the point, being run-ruled in a couple games does not define how good or bad you are as a team. This year's team is vastly better than Bragga's first two clubs-- particularly in defense and playing sound, fundamental baseball. And, BTW, Wayne's last couple teams played poor defense and were atrocious in the fundamentals.

Rice does have the best fielding percentage in C-USA right now so you’re on track there.

That said, this team is worse than the first Bragga team for sure. Maybe a bit improved from last year but tough to tell given how it was a truncated season. That said-three years in and Bragga should have this team back contending. We’re not anywhere close to that hence why we need to cut bait if this **** continues... Hate to put it on the players, as they’re doing their best, but they aren’t the horses we need. Forget the ‘03-‘08 teams... There are no guys on this team that have the raw talent that someone like Ford Proctor, Tristan Gray, or Dane Myers had...

Take a guy like Comeaux.. Really nice player, hard worker, great kid, hits for average. But he doesn’t have the physical attributes.

You're not being fair to Garibay. He's the best pure hitter we've had since Proctor, and far better as a true Freshman than Gray, Myers or Cruz.
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RE: UTSA vs Owls - Game 1
(03-27-2021 03:53 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 03:50 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 03:42 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 02:53 PM)RiceOwls2019 Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 09:38 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Look, I'm not happy with the performance this year so far, but to say we look worse than ever is just plain false. Our defense and overall fundamentals are vastly improved over the past several seasons. We knew the pitching would be suspect if Garcia was not healthy. My beef is that Bragga has been overly hesitant to put our young guns in there (save for Gallant) except for wash up time.

Obviously, the offense has been a disappointment, but no worse than previous recent years.

I disagree. Maybe this team isn't any worse than Bragga's previous 2 (bad) teams, but at no point during the Graham era, even at the tail end, where we so bad that we were getting run ruled by mediocre (at best) teams.

In fact, we were never run ruled once from 2015-2018, the worst of the Graham years. Already happened twice this year, to the likes of Texas State and UTSA.

First off, Texas State and UTSA are not crappy teams. But more to the point, being run-ruled in a couple games does not define how good or bad you are as a team. This year's team is vastly better than Bragga's first two clubs-- particularly in defense and playing sound, fundamental baseball. And, BTW, Wayne's last couple teams played poor defense and were atrocious in the fundamentals.

Rice does have the best fielding percentage in C-USA right now so you’re on track there.

That said, this team is worse than the first Bragga team for sure. Maybe a bit improved from last year but tough to tell given how it was a truncated season. That said-three years in and Bragga should have this team back contending. We’re not anywhere close to that hence why we need to cut bait if this **** continues... Hate to put it on the players, as they’re doing their best, but they aren’t the horses we need. Forget the ‘03-‘08 teams... There are no guys on this team that have the raw talent that someone like Ford Proctor, Tristan Gray, or Dane Myers had...

Take a guy like Comeaux.. Really nice player, hard worker, great kid, hits for average. But he doesn’t have the physical attributes.

You're not being fair to Garibay. He's the best pure hitter we've had since Proctor, and far better as a true Freshman than Gray, Myers or Cruz.

I gave Garibay credit earlier in this thread. But besides him, not seeing much.

Nice building block for the next coach assuming we continue to lose.

As I said in an earlier thread this week:

18+ conference wins: successful season
13-17 conference wins: “eh” toward the high end of that, frustrating but not disastrous the lower end,
12 or fewer: thanks for the memories Bragga
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(03-27-2021 03:42 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 02:53 PM)RiceOwls2019 Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 09:38 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 08:31 AM)RiceOwls2019 Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 07:21 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  Thank God I didn’t waste my time last night watching/listening to this game... But it’s amazing to me how this team oscillates from having pretty good performances to looking like a little league team, especially on the mound.

My bigger concern is in the talent I see from our younger players. Unlike some on this forum, I wanted Wayne gone as it was clear our recruiting had gone to crap and we just weren’t getting the same horses anymore.


So Bragga comes in, picked up some really good commitments early and those guys are freshman this year for the most part. Besides Garibay, who I think will be a very good player for us if he sticks around, I don’t really see any studs. Heck, even in Wayne’s later years, you still had power arms like Glenn Otto (and Roel Garcia pre injury) touching 97-98 as a freshman. Not to mention Matt Canterino-but he never blew me away at the college level despite being a high draft pick.

I like Justin Long. He’s impressed me behind the plate.

But yeah, this year 3 of Bragga and overall we look worse than ever.

Look, I'm not happy with the performance this year so far, but to say we look worse than ever is just plain false. Our defense and overall fundamentals are vastly improved over the past several seasons. We knew the pitching would be suspect if Garcia was not healthy. My beef is that Bragga has been overly hesitant to put our young guns in there (save for Gallant) except for wash up time.

Obviously, the offense has been a disappointment, but no worse than previous recent years.

I disagree. Maybe this team isn't any worse than Bragga's previous 2 (bad) teams, but at no point during the Graham era, even at the tail end, where we so bad that we were getting run ruled by mediocre (at best) teams.

In fact, we were never run ruled once from 2015-2018, the worst of the Graham years. Already happened twice this year, to the likes of Texas State and UTSA.

First off, Texas State and UTSA are not crappy teams. But more to the point, being run-ruled in a couple games does not define how good or bad you are as a team. This year's team is vastly better than Bragga's first two clubs-- particularly in defense and playing sound, fundamental baseball. And, BTW, Wayne's last couple teams played poor defense and were atrocious in the fundamentals.

Maybe they aren't crappy, but they aren't good either. UTSA hasn't made a regional since 2013, Texas State since 2011.
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(03-27-2021 03:58 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  18+ conference wins: successful season
13-17 conference wins: “eh” toward the high end of that, frustrating but not disastrous the lower end,
12 or fewer: thanks for the memories Bragga

Fairly significant drop from what used to be the expectation level a few years back:

Successful season: Omaha
Close, on the high end: Lose in super
Close, on the low end: Lose in regional
Disaster: Not invited
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(03-27-2021 04:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 03:58 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  18+ conference wins: successful season
13-17 conference wins: “eh” toward the high end of that, frustrating but not disastrous the lower end,
12 or fewer: thanks for the memories Bragga

Fairly significant drop from what used to be the expectation level a few years back:

Successful season: Omaha
Close, on the high end: Lose in super
Close, on the low end: Lose in regional
Disaster: Not invited

Thanks for the reality check! How soon we forget.
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