Dumb they dropped it. On the Republicans for not educating their constituents enough why dumb majors is part of the whole problem. This could fix so many issues.

Plus, that they dropped it b/c of fear of re-election is just another example of why the GOP just isn't good at playing politics. There's always the chance of losing re-election, especially when you're against the Dems who'll fight tooth & nail to win. Instead, what do we get, a GOP who's just gonna sit on their hands & do nothing. Watch them lose re-election & the Dems pass law after law & FL turn Blue for 100 years. You get absolutely nothing doing nothing.

GOP voters feel betrayed so aren't as passionate as getting out & "independents" see the GOP as hand-sitters who are in office only to collect a check; so Blue wins easy. Blue isn't afraid of losing, passes laws, & is able to control the narrative. More people turn Blue. You lose that state.

(03-26-2021 03:12 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  GOP voters feel betrayed, "independents" see the GOP as hand-sitters who are in office only to collect a check; Blue wins easy. Blue isn't afraid of losing, passes laws, & is able to control the narrative. More people turn Blue. You lose that state.

Exactly what I have been complaining about for years. Democrats are passionate about wining elections so they can have power. Republicans aren't. Doesn't end well.

(03-25-2021 09:34 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  It also reduces aid to students that take AP collegiate credits while in high school. The state government is way too Republican.

You have HS students getting financial aid for HS classes?

What?

(03-26-2021 10:47 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(03-26-2021 08:56 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 09:34 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  It also reduces aid to students that take AP collegiate credits while in high school. The state government is way too Republican.

Florida is a very well run state thanks to our republican legislature. Don't come here if you don't like it. We love our state government.

The legislature is too Republican though (68-75%). When one party is too dominant, you get dumb ideas like this without push back. I don't understand how a state that is so closely divided during every election ends up with a House and Senate that is 68-75% Republican and hasn't had a democratic governor in 23 years.

Honest and fair elections.

Funny thing, hunh?

Appears it's not as divided as we're led to believe.

Or the GOP is good at nominating candidates who'll appeal to the state as a whole when it comes to Governor. I have a 'moderate' Dem friend in FL who as of now (barring any bombardment of Dem attacks) is planning on voting for DeSantis for re-election & did for his first term too.

(03-25-2021 09:34 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  It also reduces aid to students that take AP collegiate credits while in high school. The state government is way too Republican.

Can you clarify or provide a source? Will it, in fact, reduce aid for students that worked harder in high school to take more difficult AP classes in order to minimize college debt?

If that is the case, then I have an issue with it. It's been many years, but back in high school I knew that college would be expensive for my parents and put the time in to both meet the requirements for Bright Futures and take as many AP credits as possible to limit the classes they would be paying for. To limit this form of financial aid for those that put in more effort in high school is simply a bad policy choice.

(03-26-2021 04:27 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 09:55 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 09:50 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 09:43 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 09:34 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  It also reduces aid to students that take AP collegiate credits while in high school. The state government is way too Republican.

Kids should be kids, not in college. Dual enrollment is a cheap way for colleges who are hurting for enrollment to get numbers up.

Maybe in 1980 but college costs a lot more these days. Dual enrollment reduces student loan debt.

No, as a person who works in higher ed I know the policies and plans to get these kids young. When I would run these kids grades it was sad what a disservice we were doing to so many just to fill a quota. Some passed, but many failed, and later because they had an F on their transcript started college ( our never attended because they "failed" college)behind the 8 ball.

Colleges are hurting for enrollment BAD.

I'm basing it off of my cousin who earned her BS in under 2 years. Spent a 3rd year getting a master's and just graduated from law school.

As long as she didnt do all of that in gender studies, what would this bill have changed about what she did? I just read the bill, and I didnt see anything about the AP system.

(03-26-2021 05:16 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 09:34 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  It also reduces aid to students that take AP collegiate credits while in high school. The state government is way too Republican.

Can you clarify or provide a source? Will it, in fact, reduce aid for students that worked harder in high school to take more difficult AP classes in order to minimize college debt?

If that is the case, then I have an issue with it. It's been many years, but back in high school I knew that college would be expensive for my parents and put the time in to both meet the requirements for Bright Futures and take as many AP credits as possible to limit the classes they would be paying for. To limit this form of financial aid for those that put in more effort in high school is simply a bad policy choice.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/...story.html

(03-26-2021 04:27 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(03-26-2021 05:16 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 09:34 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  It also reduces aid to students that take AP collegiate credits while in high school. The state government is way too Republican.

Can you clarify or provide a source? Will it, in fact, reduce aid for students that worked harder in high school to take more difficult AP classes in order to minimize college debt?

If that is the case, then I have an issue with it. It's been many years, but back in high school I knew that college would be expensive for my parents and put the time in to both meet the requirements for Bright Futures and take as many AP credits as possible to limit the classes they would be paying for. To limit this form of financial aid for those that put in more effort in high school is simply a bad policy choice.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/...story.html

Re-read it...

Essentially what it says is that if you take college level courses in high school such that like your cousin who finished in 2 years isn't encouraged to stay for 4 taking 'basket weaving' courses on the state's dime. If you want to take basket-weaving, do THAT in high school... or on your own dime at the community college. Your cousin would have been completely indifferent...

It would be different if for every 4 college credit hours you pass in high school you lose 8 hours in aid, but that's not the case.

They mention this computer science course that doesn't count for college credit but would reduce the grant. It seems like a simple fix. Either make it count for college credit OR call it 'advanced' rather than AP.

Is it the BEST idea I've ever heard? No. But it's not a BAD idea. The BAD idea is what Dems want to do where they say...
“Florida has no business telling college students what they ought or ought not study.”

They do when Florida is paying for it. Our money, OUR choice. Your money, YOUR choice.

(03-26-2021 07:58 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-26-2021 04:27 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(03-26-2021 05:16 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 09:34 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  It also reduces aid to students that take AP collegiate credits while in high school. The state government is way too Republican.

Can you clarify or provide a source? Will it, in fact, reduce aid for students that worked harder in high school to take more difficult AP classes in order to minimize college debt?

If that is the case, then I have an issue with it. It's been many years, but back in high school I knew that college would be expensive for my parents and put the time in to both meet the requirements for Bright Futures and take as many AP credits as possible to limit the classes they would be paying for. To limit this form of financial aid for those that put in more effort in high school is simply a bad policy choice.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/...story.html

Re-read it...

Essentially what it says is that if you take college level courses in high school such that like your cousin who finished in 2 years isn't encouraged to stay for 4 taking 'basket weaving' courses on the state's dime. If you want to take basket-weaving, do THAT in high school... or on your own dime at the community college. Your cousin would have been completely indifferent...

It would be different if for every 4 college credit hours you pass in high school you lose 8 hours in aid, but that's not the case.

They mention this computer science course that doesn't count for college credit but would reduce the grant. It seems like a simple fix. Either make it count for college credit OR call it 'advanced' rather than AP.

Is it the BEST idea I've ever heard? No. But it's not a BAD idea. The BAD idea is what Dems want to do where they say...
“Florida has no business telling college students what they ought or ought not study.”

They do when Florida is paying for it. Our money, OUR choice. Your money, YOUR choice.

"If SB 86 is signed into law as it is now written, students who pass the AP Physics 1 exam in high school will suffer a reduction in the number of college credit hours their Bright Futures scholarships will pay for. The bill would begin penalizing Bright Futures students with AP credits starting in the 2022-23 academic year, so high school juniors taking AP Physics 1 this year would be penalized if they pass the course’s exam in May."

(03-26-2021 05:31 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(03-26-2021 04:27 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 09:55 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 09:50 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 09:43 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  Kids should be kids, not in college. Dual enrollment is a cheap way for colleges who are hurting for enrollment to get numbers up.

Maybe in 1980 but college costs a lot more these days. Dual enrollment reduces student loan debt.

No, as a person who works in higher ed I know the policies and plans to get these kids young. When I would run these kids grades it was sad what a disservice we were doing to so many just to fill a quota. Some passed, but many failed, and later because they had an F on their transcript started college ( our never attended because they "failed" college)behind the 8 ball.

Colleges are hurting for enrollment BAD.

I'm basing it off of my cousin who earned her BS in under 2 years. Spent a 3rd year getting a master's and just graduated from law school.

As long as she didnt do all of that in gender studies, what would this bill have changed about what she did? I just read the bill, and I didnt see anything about the AP system.

After a bit more research, your "cousin" could not have received a 4 year degree in 2 years on bright futures alone. Until the 2019-2020 school year, it only paid a maximum of 45 credit hours. So for the two years she was getting her four year degree, it would have only paid for 45 of her 120 or so hours.

(03-26-2021 08:25 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(03-26-2021 07:58 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-26-2021 04:27 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  

(03-26-2021 05:16 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 09:34 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  It also reduces aid to students that take AP collegiate credits while in high school. The state government is way too Republican.

Can you clarify or provide a source? Will it, in fact, reduce aid for students that worked harder in high school to take more difficult AP classes in order to minimize college debt?

If that is the case, then I have an issue with it. It's been many years, but back in high school I knew that college would be expensive for my parents and put the time in to both meet the requirements for Bright Futures and take as many AP credits as possible to limit the classes they would be paying for. To limit this form of financial aid for those that put in more effort in high school is simply a bad policy choice.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/...story.html

Re-read it...

Essentially what it says is that if you take college level courses in high school such that like your cousin who finished in 2 years isn't encouraged to stay for 4 taking 'basket weaving' courses on the state's dime. If you want to take basket-weaving, do THAT in high school... or on your own dime at the community college. Your cousin would have been completely indifferent...

It would be different if for every 4 college credit hours you pass in high school you lose 8 hours in aid, but that's not the case.

They mention this computer science course that doesn't count for college credit but would reduce the grant. It seems like a simple fix. Either make it count for college credit OR call it 'advanced' rather than AP.

Is it the BEST idea I've ever heard? No. But it's not a BAD idea. The BAD idea is what Dems want to do where they say...
“Florida has no business telling college students what they ought or ought not study.”

They do when Florida is paying for it. Our money, OUR choice. Your money, YOUR choice.

"If SB 86 is signed into law as it is now written, students who pass the AP Physics 1 exam in high school will suffer a reduction in the number of college credit hours their Bright Futures scholarships will pay for. The bill would begin penalizing Bright Futures students with AP credits starting in the 2022-23 academic year, so high school juniors taking AP Physics 1 this year would be penalized if they pass the course’s exam in May."

Bright Futures is designed for a 4 year degree. Until 2019-2020, it was only 45 hours worth of credit. They changed it for the 2019-2020 year to allow for a full 4 year degree funding, but now they have people gaming that change in the law to get masters and other credits that are beyond the 4 year degree. So all they are doing is tweaking the law to ensure people dont abuse the reason it was setup in the first place. Noone is being penalized.

It takes common sense to not pay for a student to take elective type classes, i.e., basketweaving, et al. Why would someone need a college degree to take cheeseburger orders? Because if you take courses that won't put bread on your table then that's what someone will be forced to do. Basketweaving might bring you cash but not to subside on it, it's more of an extracurricular activity.

STEM courses is where it's at, maybe social work can bring in a low paying job, and that's a liberal arts major. I know that for a fact because that's what my major was.

When I was interviewed for a supervisors job my boss knew I was close to graduation and asked me why should I get the job if I was going to leave as soon as I graduated. I told him that I would be using that degree AFTER I retired from there. Since it's not a physical type of employment anyone can do it at any age. I didn't though, didn't need to.

Anyone getting a woke degree isn't contributing to society. In all likelihood they'll be using what they learn to try to undermine our values and constitution. So F**k 'em.

(03-26-2021 09:08 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Looks like the suburban backlash made them drop it. My county went 75% Trump and many around here mobilized to contact the state senators about it.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/edu...story.html

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This is proper. College is designed to teach people the skills to think. College is not an on-the-job-training program.